caulfield12 Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 8 minutes ago, WestEddy said: The "majority" of posters (meaning, the people you pay attention to) also twist themselves into pretzels to pretend good moves are bad, and that every player not picked off of waivers was surely a 4-WAR player who would have brought back a "haul" in return at the TDL. A $4M contract isn't a lot of money. Weird that Austin Hays still hasn't signed. Maybe the rest of baseball has the same concerns Chris Getz had/has. I like to defend logical thinking. We know why Maldonado was signed. We don't have to pretend that Chris Getz was so dumb, he thought he just signed a 10-WAR catcher. Hays was NEVER IN ONE MILLION YEARS GOING TO SIGN WITH THE WHITE SOX...not even if they guaranteed him a starting role, which would make his trade for Fletcher look even dumber than it already does at the moment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestEddy Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 8 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said: Except Getz thought that veteran leadership actually outweighs baseball talent. He thought that a 37 year old catcher who was probably already done at 34 was still worth $4.25 million. For years after my brother died, my wife would remind me that I was angry and acting like a jerk days before the anniversary of his death. I can understand that the whole month of January is probably like that for you. You are in my thoughts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 (edited) 5 minutes ago, WestEddy said: For years after my brother died, my wife would remind me that I was angry and acting like a jerk days before the anniversary of his death. I can understand that the whole month of January is probably like that for you. You are in my thoughts. Not really. I’ve accepted that Getz is a weak GM and the Sox aren’t winning anything anytime soon, especially with Jerry as the owner. Doesn’t mean I can’t call out all the stupid moves our novice GM makes. Edited January 17 by WhiteSox2023 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestEddy Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 10 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said: Dude. Click on the link. The move was bashed by everyone, not just posters you claim are “like me”. You are once again trying to re-write history to make Getz not look so bad. It was a terrible acquisition then, just as it is looking back at it today. I didn't like it, either. Just because a baseball team makes a move I don't like doesn't mean I have to cease to live my life in reality, and pretend everything going forward fits some goofball, conspiracy framing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestEddy Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 11 minutes ago, caulfield12 said: We have shipped out supposed "bad seeds": Tim Anderson Yasmani Grandal Eloy Jimenez Joe Kelly Kendall Graveman Keynan Middleton Lucas Giolito (union/player organizing) Michael Kopech Nick Madrigal Steak and Potatoes/TLR/Cardinals' Nation This isn't exactly 8 Men Out, BUT WHEN EXACTLY WILL THE TIME REASONABLY ARRIVE WHEN THE PLAYERS THEMSELVES NOT GOING TO BE BLAMED FOR EVERYTHING that goes awry???...remember Getz's comments about "not liking his team" lol? Who says that during a season? Caulfield, what on Earth are you talking about? I really wish they would have shipped out half of these guys before the end of their careers, or before they sunk our team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestEddy Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 11 minutes ago, caulfield12 said: Hays was NEVER IN ONE MILLION YEARS GOING TO SIGN WITH THE WHITE SOX...not even if they guaranteed him a starting role, which would make his trade for Fletcher look even dumber than it already does at the moment. Tell that to WS2023, who thinks that signing players is like walking to the drug store and paying the cashier, irrespective of what the player wants, what makes sense with one's team's stage in a rebuild, and logical reality. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestEddy Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 9 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said: Not really. I’ve accepted that Getz is a weak GM and the Sox aren’t winning anything anytime soon, especially with Jerry as the owner. Doesn’t mean I can’t call out all the stupid moves our novice GM makes. You call out every move as stupid, regardless of whether it's widely panned or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 6 minutes ago, WestEddy said: You call out every move as stupid, regardless of whether it's widely panned or not. POT, MEET KETTLE Spider-man...Anti-Spiderman/alternative reality Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 (edited) 21 minutes ago, WestEddy said: You call out every move as stupid, regardless of whether it's widely panned or not. Untrue. More of you making up BS once again. I praised the Crochet trade. I also liked the Bryse Wilson signing. I didn’t think Fedde was worth signing last year but that was a huge acquisition for Getz. Unfortunately, he then blew it by trading Fedde and Kopech for trash. The majority of Getz’s other moves have sucked. Edited January 17 by WhiteSox2023 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 8 minutes ago, WestEddy said: You call out every move as stupid, regardless of whether it's widely panned or not. Literally you are defending the Maldonado signing. Isn't it equally safe to say you defend every move as smart regardless of how dumb it was at the time? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 Of all of the things Getz has done so far, I did not expect the Martin Maldonado signing to be one that generated disagreement, like at all, ever. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 6 minutes ago, Balta1701 said: Literally you are defending the Maldonado signing. Isn't it equally safe to say you defend every move as smart regardless of how dumb it was at the time? Haha, amazing callout. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 9 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said: Untrue. More of you making up BS once again. I praised the Crochet trade. I also liked the Bryse Wilson signing. I didn’t think Fedde was worth signing but that was a huge acquisition for Getz. But then he blew it by trading him and Kopech for trash. The majority of Getz’s other moves have sucked. It's telling when the Tanner Banks move is one of the three crown jewels of the entire Getz Resume so far. Getting Patino this week might be another, unless all the credit goes to Keller instead in the international dept. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 (edited) 8 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: Of all of the things Getz has done so far, I did not expect the Martin Maldonado signing to be one that generated disagreement, like at all, ever. But, but, but, it was a good move since Getz was looking for leadership and he only cost $4.25 million. It just didn’t work out! Maldonado hadn’t had a good season since 3 years earlier. But it still isn’t Getz’s fault that Maldonado played like a 37 year old who should have retired. Edited January 17 by WhiteSox2023 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 7 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said: But, but, but, it was a good move since Getz was looking for leadership and he only cost $4.25 million. It just didn’t work out! Maldonado hadn’t had a good season since 3 years earlier. But it still isn’t Getz’s fault that Maldonado played like a 37 year old who should have retired. The worst part of this might be - if you paid attention to Houston baseball in 2023 at all, whatever locker room problem there was - Maldonado was absolutely part of it. The only player on that Houston roster who people complained about more was Jose Abreu, and there were strong signs of Maldonado not working well with either their young catcher or their young pitchers. Some of this was Dusty being over the top, I don't know how much, but Maldonado was a clubhouse issue that no one fixed until they got rid of him. They also did so in very emphatic fashion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 4 minutes ago, Balta1701 said: The worst part of this might be - if you paid attention to Houston baseball in 2023 at all, whatever locker room problem there was - Maldonado was absolutely part of it. The only player on that Houston roster who people complained about more was Jose Abreu, and there were strong signs of Maldonado not working well with either their young catcher or their young pitchers. Some of this was Dusty being over the top, I don't know how much, but Maldonado was a clubhouse issue that no one fixed until they got rid of him. So what you are saying is that even though we all knew that Maldonado was never ever a good hitter and his defense had clearly declined the prior year, that he epically failed in the main attribute that Getz called out other than defense — his leadership skills? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 6 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said: So what you are saying is that even though we all knew that Maldonado was never ever a good hitter and his defense had clearly declined the prior year, that he epically failed in the main attribute that Getz called out other than defense — his leadership skills? And what's more, you could literally have called up anyone in Houston and gotten the public part of this story. The new GM waiting until Dusty Baker retired, had his news cycle, and then immediately declaring publicly "Yainer Diaz is our starting catcher next year" was bloody unusual. That was a message to that team, they announced this 10 days before they hired a manager. The GM knew that it had become messy, it was hurting his team and putting people on sides, it was hurting his young players, and he ended it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 (edited) 25 minutes ago, WestEddy said: Tell that to WS2023, who thinks that signing players is like walking to the drug store and paying the cashier, irrespective of what the player wants, what makes sense with one's team's stage in a rebuild, and logical reality. Unfortunately, a big reason the Sox can’t sign anyone good is because they don’t even have the equivalent of a drug store cash register. They have that crappy change tray that we all have in our cars, and the highest denomination of currency in it is quarters. I keep mine in a red Solo cup in one of my cup holders. Edited January 17 by WhiteSox2023 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chick Mercedes Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 On 1/2/2025 at 8:03 AM, Timmy U said: Sox are gonna be like the Padres, except instead of shortstops, every position is going to be manned by a second baseman.. Every position used to be manned by first basemen. I think we’re clearly upgrading the organizational philosophy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestEddy Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 1 hour ago, WhiteSox2023 said: Untrue. More of you making up BS once again. I praised the Crochet trade. I also liked the Bryse Wilson signing. I didn’t think Fedde was worth signing last year but that was a huge acquisition for Getz. Unfortunately, he then blew it by trading Fedde and Kopech for trash. The majority of Getz’s other moves have sucked. Fair enough. Most of his moves blew up in his face. Bad luck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestEddy Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 1 hour ago, Balta1701 said: Literally you are defending the Maldonado signing. Isn't it equally safe to say you defend every move as smart regardless of how dumb it was at the time? I'm not defending the move. I didn't like it when it happened. I can understand the logic behind it, therefore, I don't need to scream myself hoarse damning it. Getz didn't sign Maldonado because he thought he was getting a 10 WAR catcher at a discount. I don't think it takes a stretch of the imagination to understand that Grifol wanted Maldonado to help control the clubhouse, and Getz, who wanted to fire Grifol anyway, was happy to grant him that sop. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestEddy Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 1 hour ago, WhiteSox2023 said: Haha, amazing callout. Amazing misreading of the sitch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 58 minutes ago, Chick Mercedes said: Every position used to be manned by first basemen. I think we’re clearly upgrading the organizational philosophy. Or 3B/2B, but no instinctively natural shortstops. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestEddy Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 1 hour ago, WhiteSox2023 said: But, but, but, it was a good move since Getz was looking for leadership and he only cost $4.25 million. It just didn’t work out! Maldonado hadn’t had a good season since 3 years earlier. But it still isn’t Getz’s fault that Maldonado played like a 37 year old who should have retired. Nobody's calling it a good move. It was a bad signing. In the grand scheme of things (neutralizing the negative voices in the clubhouse for a weak manager), I can understand why Getz brought him in. It would have made more sense to bring in Salvatore Perez, but he would have hurt too many SoxTalk feelings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 (edited) 7 minutes ago, WestEddy said: Nobody's calling it a good move. It was a bad signing. In the grand scheme of things (neutralizing the negative voices in the clubhouse for a weak manager), I can understand why Getz brought him in. It would have made more sense to bring in "Salvatore" Perez, but he would have hurt too many SoxTalk feelings. Yeah, we really needed some Mafia ball bustin' guys...like Liotta Pesci DemNiro (spell check just created a new nickname). Capisce? Edited January 17 by caulfield12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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