Quin Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 2 hours ago, southsider2k5 said: Results being second priority sure explains a lot. To be fair, you'll never guess who had a pretty triple A sLaShLiNe before making the majors. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 38 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: Seems like long term roster management would be a part of the "process", no? Should be. I get the “hard to predict six years down the road” concept, but when there is zero downside to starting a dude in AAA and potentially earning a seventh year I don’t know why you wouldn’t do it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JUSTgottaBELIEVE Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 (edited) 1 hour ago, Chicago White Sox said: There are many different points here that you are blending together. We have lots of 3B & 2B options that are ready or near ready. I think it’s totally fair to be concerned with Rojas stealing playing time from them in Y24. Kim is a different issue completely as he requires a long-term deal and his addition forces Colson off SS before we even give him a legit shot there. I think most people would be happy to gain an extra year of control with Schultz & Smith, so not really sure what that has to do with the other points. I don’t want to see Smith and Schultz on the Sox until late April 2026. They can get all the mlb experience they need in 2026 in what will be another 100 loss season. No need for them to see mlb this year. Edited January 10 by JUSTgottaBELIEVE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 5 hours ago, JUSTgottaBELIEVE said: I don’t want to see Smith and Schultz on the Sox until late April 2026. They can get all the mlb experience they need in 2026 in what will be another 100 loss season. No need for them to see mlb this year. I agree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestEddy Posted Thursday at 07:18 PM Share Posted Thursday at 07:18 PM Orioles Claim Jacob Amaya, Designate Roansy Contreras For Assignment https://t.co/Yf3xrML1f6 pic.twitter.com/pBuohwqQwR — MLB Trade Rumors (@mlbtraderumors) January 16, 2025 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted Thursday at 08:53 PM Share Posted Thursday at 08:53 PM 1 hour ago, WestEddy said: Orioles Claim Jacob Amaya, Designate Roansy Contreras For Assignment https://t.co/Yf3xrML1f6 pic.twitter.com/pBuohwqQwR — MLB Trade Rumors (@mlbtraderumors) January 16, 2025 Elias playing 5D chess Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestEddy Posted Thursday at 09:21 PM Share Posted Thursday at 09:21 PM 31 minutes ago, caulfield12 said: Elias playing 5D chess For when he sends us Gunnar for international space. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted Thursday at 10:28 PM Share Posted Thursday at 10:28 PM The Padres gave Oldy Moldy exactly what Getz should have given him last year, rather than $4.25 million guaranteed… ”Padres signed C Martín Maldonado to a minor league contract with an invitation to spring training.” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestEddy Posted Thursday at 11:53 PM Share Posted Thursday at 11:53 PM 1 hour ago, WhiteSox2023 said: The Padres gave Oldy Moldy exactly what Getz should have given him last year, rather than $4.25 million guaranteed… ”Padres signed C Martín Maldonado to a minor league contract with an invitation to spring training.” ...And the Red Sox shouldn't have sold Babe Ruth to the Yankees. I'm a 20/20 hindsight genius, too. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted Friday at 12:02 AM Share Posted Friday at 12:02 AM 10 minutes ago, WestEddy said: ...And the Red Sox shouldn't have sold Babe Ruth to the Yankees. I'm a 20/20 hindsight genius, too. Last offseason, Maldonado was a free agent after an awful 2023 as well. No hindsight needed. Getz overpaid. Period. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted Friday at 12:02 AM Share Posted Friday at 12:02 AM 12 minutes ago, WestEddy said: ...And the Red Sox shouldn't have sold Babe Ruth to the Yankees. I'm a 20/20 hindsight genius, too. Idk if it was really hindsight. I don’t think anyone was banging on the door to sign him. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted Friday at 12:12 AM Share Posted Friday at 12:12 AM First appearance of Babe Ruth in ANY connection with Martin Maldonado in baseball "statniks" history, lol... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted Friday at 12:29 AM Share Posted Friday at 12:29 AM 30 minutes ago, Bob Sacamano said: Idk if it was really hindsight. I don’t think anyone was banging on the door to sign him. No hindsight needed. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted Friday at 12:29 AM Share Posted Friday at 12:29 AM (edited) 4 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: No hindsight needed. True lol a whole ass thread why it was bad. Edited Friday at 12:30 AM by Bob Sacamano 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted Friday at 12:39 AM Share Posted Friday at 12:39 AM 13 minutes ago, Bob Sacamano said: True lol a whole ass thread why it was bad. Just another creepy search. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted Friday at 12:40 AM Share Posted Friday at 12:40 AM (edited) Posted 3 hours ago The off-season waiver wire claim reminds me of dating in your early 20s. Your just having fun dating around going out with different girl every few days then trading her in for someone else for a bit you feel is better and just repeating it. Then everyone once and awhile you date an ex girlfriend to give her another try. https://forum.orioleshangout.com/topic/56174-os-claim-if-jacob-amaya-dfa-roansy-contreras/ Posted 3 hours ago Rather have Contreras. Over/under for games played this season set at 0.5. Just warming the seat for the return of Mateo. Edited Friday at 12:43 AM by caulfield12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestEddy Posted Friday at 12:42 AM Share Posted Friday at 12:42 AM 42 minutes ago, Bob Sacamano said: Idk if it was really hindsight. I don’t think anyone was banging on the door to sign him. I don't think it's a stretch of the imagination to assume Grifol wanted Maldonado to help keep control of the clubhouse. Could they have had him cheaper? I guess. That's the guy asking why we care about saving Reinsdorf money, then complains about every contract. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted Friday at 12:48 AM Share Posted Friday at 12:48 AM 7 minutes ago, WestEddy said: I don't think it's a stretch of the imagination to assume Grifol wanted Maldonado to help keep control of the clubhouse. Could they have had him cheaper? I guess. That's the guy asking why we care about saving Reinsdorf money, then complains about every contract. Veteran leadership to take the place of an already fatally-flawed manager... Jay and Alonso to take the place of actually committing money to Machado's final year, which ended up as a total waste. Nicky Lopez/Pillar/Grossman/DeJong/Pham for veteran leadership. Rojas for veteran leadership. Vaughn and Benintendi for leadership... I sense a trend. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted Friday at 12:48 AM Share Posted Friday at 12:48 AM (edited) 16 minutes ago, WestEddy said: I don't think it's a stretch of the imagination to assume Grifol wanted Maldonado to help keep control of the clubhouse. Could they have had him cheaper? I guess. That's the guy asking why we care about saving Reinsdorf money, then complains about every contract. This is a re-imagining of the initial response to the Maldonado signing. The majority of posters panned it from the start and said that Getz overpaid. Posters were saying last offseason that Maldonado deserved a minor league deal at best. Obviously, Getz’s grand idea of defense and leadership went straight to the crapper considering he acquired guys that couldn’t hit a lick, much less play defense or serve in a “leadership” role. And no, I don’t care about Jerry’s money, but that doesn’t mean Getz should burn it in a fire like The Joker in The Dark Knight. That’s $4.25 million that could’ve gone to an actual good flip candidate, like an Austin Hays this offseason. I know you like to defend Getz to the bitter end but it’s amazing that you are actually trying to justify the Maldonado signing. Edited Friday at 12:55 AM by WhiteSox2023 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted Friday at 12:51 AM Share Posted Friday at 12:51 AM 25 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: No hindsight needed. Beat me to it. Thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestEddy Posted Friday at 12:58 AM Share Posted Friday at 12:58 AM 12 minutes ago, caulfield12 said: Veteran leadership to take the place of an already fatally-flawed manager... Jay and Alonso to take the place of actually committing money to Machado's final year, which ended up as a total waste. Nicky Lopez/Pillar/Grossman/DeJong/Pham for veteran leadership. Rojas for veteran leadership. Vaughn and Benintendi for leadership... I sense a trend. No you don't. You might as well find a flaw in Charles Comiskey's management skills, then apply them to Reinsdorf. The crazy thing is that some of the people you mention as only "leadership" were already under contract. Teams expect vets to exude "leadership". If that's a problem for you, then maybe you have a problem with all of sports. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestEddy Posted Friday at 01:03 AM Share Posted Friday at 01:03 AM (edited) 22 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said: This is a re-imagining of the initial response to the Maldonado signing. The majority of posters panned it from the start and said that Getz overpaid. Posters were saying last offseason that Maldonado deserved a minor league deal at best. Obviously, Getz’s grand idea of defense and leadership went straight to the crapper considering he acquired guys that couldn’t hit a lick, much less play defense or serve in a “leadership” role. And no, I don’t care about Jerry’s money, but that doesn’t mean Getz should burn it in a fire like The Joker in The Dark Knight. That’s $4.25 million that could’ve gone to an actual good flip candidate, like an Austin Hays this offseason. I know you like to defend Getz to the bitter end but it’s amazing that you are actually trying to justify the Maldonado signing. The "majority" of posters (meaning, the people you pay attention to) also twist themselves into pretzels to pretend good moves are bad, and that every player not picked off of waivers was surely a 4-WAR player who would have brought back a "haul" in return at the TDL. A $4M contract isn't a lot of money. Weird that Austin Hays still hasn't signed. Maybe the rest of baseball has the same concerns Chris Getz had/has. I like to defend logical thinking. We know why Maldonado was signed. We don't have to pretend that Chris Getz was so dumb, he thought he just signed a 10-WAR catcher. EDIT: And I'm sure if you read through, you'll see me saying I didn't like the signing, either. They could have done that all with somebody who would have been productive. The only way it makes sense was that Maldonado was a "veteran" presence, and Grifol wanted him. And by "makes sense", I don't mean, "I love this move, gimme more!!!" I mean that I can understand the thinking behind it, even while disagreeing. Edited Friday at 01:09 AM by WestEddy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted Friday at 01:05 AM Share Posted Friday at 01:05 AM 8 minutes ago, WestEddy said: No you don't. You might as well find a flaw in Charles Comiskey's management skills, then apply them to Reinsdorf. The crazy thing is that some of the people you mention as only "leadership" were already under contract. Teams expect vets to exude "leadership". If that's a problem for you, then maybe you have a problem with all of sports. Except Getz thought that veteran leadership actually outweighs baseball talent. He thought that a 37 year old catcher who was probably already done at 34 was still worth $4.25 million. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted Friday at 01:05 AM Share Posted Friday at 01:05 AM (edited) 8 minutes ago, WestEddy said: The "majority" of posters (meaning, the people you pay attention to) also twist themselves into pretzels to pretend good moves are bad, and that every player not picked off of waivers was surely a 4-WAR player who would have brought back a "haul" in return at the TDL. A $4M contract isn't a lot of money. Weird that Austin Hays still hasn't signed. Maybe the rest of baseball has the same concerns Chris Getz had/has. I like to defend logical thinking. We know why Maldonado was signed. We don't have to pretend that Chris Getz was so dumb, he thought he just signed a 10-WAR catcher. Dude. Click on the link. The move was bashed by everyone, not just posters you claim are “like me”. You are once again trying to re-write history to make Getz not look so bad. It was a terrible acquisition then, just as it is looking back at it today. Edited Friday at 01:08 AM by WhiteSox2023 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted Friday at 01:07 AM Share Posted Friday at 01:07 AM 9 minutes ago, WestEddy said: No you don't. You might as well find a flaw in Charles Comiskey's management skills, then apply them to Reinsdorf. The crazy thing is that some of the people you mention as only "leadership" were already under contract. Teams expect vets to exude "leadership". If that's a problem for you, then maybe you have a problem with all of sports. We have shipped out supposed "bad seeds": Tim Anderson Yasmani Grandal Eloy Jimenez Joe Kelly Kendall Graveman Keynan Middleton Lucas Giolito (union/player organizing) Michael Kopech Nick Madrigal Steak and Potatoes/TLR/Cardinals' Nation This isn't exactly 8 Men Out, BUT WHEN EXACTLY WILL THE TIME REASONABLY ARRIVE WHEN THE PLAYERS THEMSELVES NOT GOING TO BE BLAMED FOR EVERYTHING that goes awry???...remember Getz's comments about "not liking his team" lol? Who says that during a season? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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