February 4, 20251 yr 4 hours ago, GreenSox said: Given that the Sox have basically two good OFs in the entire organization (Robert and the prospect they got in the Crochet trade) , I would have liked to keep DeLoach around. I guess they are going these "proven" 30+ year olds with no power instead of the DeLoachs. Looking over the 40 man, still a ton of what appears to be available space on the pitching side. What was the point of trading for Boozer? He's not a flip candidate - they won't get a prospect any better than what they gave to get him (See the Banks trade). The prospect they got for Banks is actually very interesting.
February 4, 20251 yr 28 minutes ago, ChiSox59 said: The prospect they got for Banks is actually very interesting. It's one of the few plus trades we've made.
February 4, 20251 yr 10 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: It's one of the few plus trades we've made. He needs to start showing some semblance of power though. Still very young though. Edited February 4, 20251 yr by WhiteSox2023
February 4, 20251 yr 9 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said: He needs to start showing some semblance of power though. Still very young though. That's fine, it happens. But I have no problem targeting guys like that.
February 4, 20251 yr On 1/9/2025 at 10:45 AM, Ducksnort said: Who Everybody’s walk up / walk in song for 2025.
February 4, 20251 yr Getz is like a stock broker from twenty years ago paid for every transaction to churn the roster and chase returns but actually nothing seems to be changing except the Crochet and Giolito moves...still nothing to show for Burger/Vaughn/Madrigal. Edited February 4, 20251 yr by caulfield12
February 4, 20251 yr 6 hours ago, GreenSox said: Given that the Sox have basically two good OFs in the entire organization (Robert and the prospect they got in the Crochet trade) , I would have liked to keep DeLoach around. I guess they are going these "proven" 30+ year olds with no power instead of the DeLoachs. Looking over the 40 man, still a ton of what appears to be available space on the pitching side. What was the point of trading for Boozer? He's not a flip candidate - they won't get a prospect any better than what they gave to get him (See the Banks trade). I guess I'd say they hope Booser is a flip candidate.Thats the whole point of getting these older arms for very cheap. We always joke about Coop can fix him but Coop came across as an old school crusty SOB while Bannister comes across as an enlightened guru of modern pitching theories. This is Getz putting any future trade value to improve the depth in the minors in Bannisters hands and the next 2 drafts. Yes it sucks you have to believe in miracles but that's just the way it is. Anyone of those older guys they picked puts up good numbers and they become tradable for A+ or higher, 3 options 6/7 yrs of control. Yes it is more valuable than what you give up because you turned a 1/2 season you got for very low level pitching surplus into a guy who just might have a future and closer to reaching MLB than a 17 yr old . Might not happen the way they want it to but might not happen the way you think it will either. It's not exactly rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic . It's close but they are actually thinking they're making a better ship.
February 4, 20251 yr Osleivis Basabe, A 24 yo who has primarily played ss along with 3b, 2b and some OF has been DFA'd by the Rays. Think I prefer to Amaya. I mean he is a Basabe!
February 4, 20251 yr 6 minutes ago, BamaDoc said: Osleivis Basabe, A 24 yo who has primarily played ss along with 3b, 2b and some OF has been DFA'd by the Rays. Think I prefer to Amaya. I mean he is a Basabe! Not that darned Sale trade again...always forget name of the fourth piece,.pitcher who amounted to less than nothing.
February 4, 20251 yr 16 hours ago, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said: I guess I'd say they hope Booser is a flip candidate.Thats the whole point of getting these older arms for very cheap. Yes, but Booser wasn't a signing. We traded Fajardo, an 18 year old pitcher who Kd 11.4/9 and only walked 1.4/9 (yes in DSL so he is an absolute lottery ticket). Still, for it to work, we need to get back a better prospect than Fajardo. Banks and Booser seem like the same pitcher to me. Maybe Bergolla's a better prospect than Fajardo, but 1 HR in over 600 PAs suggests a lowish ceiling.
February 4, 20251 yr 23 hours ago, WestEddy said: COUNTERPOINT: If a left-handed hitting outfielder couldn't distinguish himself in 2024 to make Tauchman superfluous, they've burned their chances. Cam Booser can actually be valuable at next year's TDL. He pitches well, makes the minimum, has 3 options, and 6 full years of control. The FutureSox guys have surmised that Booser can certainly bring back better than Fajardo at the deadline. My assumptions may be off. I assume Booser = Banks. Maybe he's better than Banks. Bergola (the return for Banks) doesn't seem like much of a prospect to me due to his 0 power. Could be wrong.
February 4, 20251 yr 6 minutes ago, GreenSox said: My assumptions may be off. I assume Booser = Banks. Maybe he's better than Banks. Bergola (the return for Banks) doesn't seem like much of a prospect to me due to his 0 power. Could be wrong. He's further along than Fajardo, which probably also has value to the Sox. I'd think an A+-ball SS helps more than low rookie pitcher.
February 5, 20251 yr 7 hours ago, GreenSox said: Yes, but Booser wasn't a signing. We traded Fajardo, an 18 year old pitcher who Kd 11.4/9 and only walked 1.4/9 (yes in DSL so he is an absolute lottery ticket). Still, for it to work, we need to get back a better prospect than Fajardo. Banks and Booser seem like the same pitcher to me. Maybe Bergolla's a better prospect than Fajardo, but 1 HR in over 600 PAs suggests a lowish ceiling. I actually never said he was a signing.I also mentioned Fajardo by mentioning the 17 yr. old, but not by name. I think it's inconsequential but it's difficult to say whoever you get back for Booser is going to be a better prospect than Fajardo. They will likely be impossible to compare until both either end up in the majors or never do. Relatively speaking pitching is the Sox strength so you're going to see them draw from it once in a while.
February 5, 20251 yr 9 minutes ago, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said: I actually never said he was a signing.I also mentioned Fajardo by mentioning the 17 yr. old, but not by name. I think it's inconsequential but it's difficult to say whoever you get back for Booser is going to be a better prospect than Fajardo. They will likely be impossible to compare until both either end up in the majors or never do. Relatively speaking pitching is the Sox strength so you're going to see them draw from it once in a while. The law of Sox prospects is Fajardo becomes a stud and Bergolla never makes it past High A or certainly AA...that and there's never been a Yhoiker in mlb history.
February 5, 20251 yr 7 hours ago, caulfield12 said: The law of Sox prospects is Fajardo becomes a stud and Bergolla never makes it past High A or certainly AA...that and there's never been a Yhoiker in mlb history. Bet on it.
February 6, 20251 yr On 2/4/2025 at 8:44 PM, caulfield12 said: The law of Sox prospects is Fajardo becomes a stud and Bergolla never makes it past High A or certainly AA...that and there's never been a Yhoiker in mlb history. Can't help it if you think that way. Maybe you can say " told you so" in 5 years.
February 6, 20251 yr 5 minutes ago, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said: Can't help it if you think that way. Maybe you can say " told you so" in 5 years. Well, it would be nice to have an example to the contrary where an underalded prospect like Wikelman Gonzalez goes 2003 Loaiza.
February 7, 20251 yr On 2/3/2025 at 1:46 PM, Timmy U said: He back. https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2025/02/white-sox-claim-jacob-amaya-waivers-orioles-dfa-zach-deloach.html DeLoach clears waivers. https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2025/02/white-sox-outright-zach-deloach.html
February 7, 20251 yr 1 hour ago, Bob Sacamano said: DeLoach clears waivers. https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2025/02/white-sox-outright-zach-deloach.html No harm, no foul. I still like DeLoach as a 4th OF, or something.
February 7, 20251 yr 1 hour ago, WestEddy said: No harm, no foul. I still like DeLoach as a 4th OF, or something. why?
February 7, 20251 yr 5 minutes ago, caulfield12 said: why? Why not? Am I supposed to hate him for some reason? He has played all 3 positions. He has hit for power and average, albeit, not at the same time. He's also a stolen base threat.
February 7, 20251 yr 5 minutes ago, WestEddy said: Why not? Am I supposed to hate him for some reason? He has played all 3 positions. He has hit for power and average, albeit, not at the same time. He's also a stolen base threat. And if he could put all those things together at once he would be a starter. Being realistic isn't about hating, is it? Did we hate on Julks too...or Fletcher, unfairly? Just to hate lol? That's also a player profile for someone who needs to play everyday if they're a legit prospect. Otherwise just acquire Kelenic from ATL and see if he can be more than a platoon bat.
February 7, 20251 yr 23 minutes ago, caulfield12 said: And if he could put all those things together at once he would be a starter. Being realistic isn't about hating, is it? Did we hate on Julks too...or Fletcher, unfairly? Just to hate lol? That's also a player profile for someone who needs to play everyday if they're a legit prospect. Otherwise just acquire Kelenic from ATL and see if he can be more than a platoon bat. DeLoach clearly looks like, if he pulled it all together, he'd be a 4th outfielder. And he's already in our system. You've yet to say why one shouldn't hope on DeLoach to be a 4th OF.
February 8, 20251 yr 3 hours ago, WestEddy said: DeLoach clearly looks like, if he pulled it all together, he'd be a 4th outfielder. And he's already in our system. You've yet to say why one shouldn't hope on DeLoach to be a 4th OF. We don't need to waste MLB bats on guys like Fletcher Julks and DeLoach that are fourth outfielders at best. Hahn got pretty much zero depth/bench players out of 2017-2019 playing time opportunities...and that lack of depth killed them. But at least we had starters with 3-5 fWAR potential across the board at that time. Right now, other than catcher...and Braden Montgomery, feels like we only have 2-3 starting positions with 75% confidence filled for 2027.
February 8, 20251 yr 13 hours ago, WestEddy said: DeLoach clearly looks like, if he pulled it all together, he'd be a 4th outfielder. And he's already in our system. You've yet to say why one shouldn't hope on DeLoach to be a 4th OF. Huh? Getz cut the guy to sign two mediocre veteran fourth outfielders for a combined $4 million in what will be another losing season, even though the team would have had plenty of at bats to give to DeLoach. It sure appears that even Getz whom acquired DeLoach doesn’t think he was worth a roster spot while making the minimum. It’s funny that you get mildly excited that the Sox manage to retain these guys. It literally means that no other team wants them even though they are basically free other than taking up a 40-man roster spot. Just like if Steven Wilson clears waivers, this means that no other team wants these sorry ass bums even though they make under a million. It really doesn’t matter what you think. These are called bad acquisitions by a bad GM whom whiffed once again on part of his trade returns. It’s as simple as that. Edited February 8, 20251 yr by WhiteSox2023
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