Kyyle23 Posted February 14 Share Posted February 14 12 hours ago, tray said: I no longer want to trade personal jabs so I will no longer respond to you on any post you make other than adding a laughing emoji where it is called for. But go ahead keep it up if that feeds into your need for oneupmanship on a little baseball forum. That’s fine, you certainly are the bigger man here coming back here almost three weeks after my comment to talk about me being thrown out of college for bad grammar or spelling. Just walk away from this knowing that you have the upper hand now on me, and I know it. It hurts tray, that you will never respond to me ever again even when you have the opportunity to call me a cubbie troll or traitor, you won’t. It really hurts, Tray 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted February 14 Author Share Posted February 14 (edited) "Baseball has a problem, but the problem isn’t about salary caps or even floors like many will point to. No, after MLB earned record revenues of $12 billion last year, it shouldn’t seem like free-agent contracts are being suppressed outside of the top 1% of players. Yet those increased earnings don’t seem to be translating to the players helping create them. Which brings us back to the CBA and the tenuous dynamic between MLB owners and the players’ association. This issue and the factors that contribute to it will likely become part of the next CBA negotiations." https://sports.yahoo.com/mlb-free-agency-2024-25-top-50-players-available-this-winter-starting-with-juan-soto-and-roki-sasaki-035649579.html Edited February 14 by caulfield12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted February 14 Share Posted February 14 (edited) 10 hours ago, Kyyle23 said: That’s fine, you certainly are the bigger man here coming back here almost three weeks after my comment to talk about me being thrown out of college for bad grammar or spelling. Just walk away from this knowing that you have the upper hand now on me, and I know it. It hurts tray, that you will never respond to me ever again even when you have the opportunity to call me a cubbie troll or traitor, you won’t. It really hurts, Tray Did tray’s dreaded laugh feedback emoji hurt you down to your core? Edited February 14 by WhiteSox2023 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted February 14 Share Posted February 14 23 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said: Did tray’s dreaded laugh feedback emoji hurt you down to your core? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted February 14 Share Posted February 14 23 hours ago, tray said: I no longer want to trade personal jabs so I will no longer respond to you on any post you make other than adding a laughing emoji where it is called for. But go ahead keep it up if that feeds into your need for oneupmanship on a little baseball forum. Don't threaten Kyle with a good time. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted February 19 Author Share Posted February 19 “It always seems like ballplayers are more expensive than you think,” the owner told reporters (including Newsday’s Tim Healey and Jorge Castillo of ESPN). “Listen, I have the ability to spend if I have to. I want to win. And I want to put the best team I can on the field. But free agency is expensive. … Even this year, I had a thought of where I wanted to be, and I’ve already blown through it. And I really wanted to be there. And just circumstances created, ’all right, I have to adapt my thinking.'” Landing Soto required an eye-popping $51MM average annual value that handily shattered previous precedent. They successfully waited out Alonso’s market to avoid a long-term commitment, getting him on a two-year deal with an opt-out after the first season. That comes with a lofty $27MM AAV and a $30MM figure for the upcoming season, so it’s still a huge investment in 2025. Manaea landed three years and $75MM (albeit with deferrals), while Frankie Montas, Clay Holmes and A.J. Minter all secured multi-year contracts with eight-figure salaries. RosterResource projects New York’s raw payroll around $331MM. Their competitive balance tax estimate is slightly lower at $325MM. Those seem to be within the ballpark, as Cohen told reporters that he expects to finish the season with a payroll in the $340MM range after accounting for in-season pickups (i.e. waiver claims and trade deadline acquisitions). By Anthony Franco | February 18, 2025 at 8:03pm CDT mlbtraderumors.com Just put this here because we don't have a "potential 2027 lockout" thread...kind of a catch-all for MLB's various financial issues. They're (Mets) apparently not interested in bringing back Jose Quintana, even though he (supposedly) would like to return. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted February 19 Author Share Posted February 19 (edited) Manfred "The Dodgers] have gone out and done everything possible, always within the rules that currently exist, to put the best possible team on the field. I think that's a great thing. That type of competitive spirit is what people want to see." “It’s clear we have fans in some markets that are concerned about the ability of the team in their market to compete with the financial resources of the Dodgers. If we’ve been consistent on one point, we try to listen to our fans on topics like this. And I have heard people, believe me.” https://sports.yahoo.com/rob-manfred-thinks-dodgers-spending-is-a-great-thing-as-payroll-hovers-around-400-million-225422948.html Edited February 19 by caulfield12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lip Man 1 Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 From the Washington Post (need to have a subscription): https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2025/02/19/mlb-salary-cap-rob-manfred/?utm_campaign=wp_post_most&utm_medium=email&utm_source=newsletter&carta-url=https%3A%2F%2Fs2.washingtonpost.com%2Fcar-ln-tr%2F41327c2%2F67b6108c733acb32f28d1476%2F656f5633386724493aa28bcb%2F38%2F60%2F67b6108c733acb32f28d1476 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lip Man 1 Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 This goes into the question is baseball's goal "to win" or "to entertain:" Apparently the Brewers owner made some interesting comments and the writer brings up the White Sox: https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/brewers-owner-mark-attanasio-questions-his-purpose-to-win-or-to-provide-a-summer-of-entertainment-for-fans/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 1 hour ago, Lip Man 1 said: This goes into the question is baseball's goal "to win" or "to entertain:" Apparently the Brewers owner made some interesting comments and the writer brings up the White Sox: https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/brewers-owner-mark-attanasio-questions-his-purpose-to-win-or-to-provide-a-summer-of-entertainment-for-fans/ “Technically provided” is doing a lot of heavy lifting here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lip Man 1 Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 6 minutes ago, Kyyle23 said: “Technically provided” is doing a lot of heavy lifting here In 1976 I was taking a 400 level course at UK and we had to do a paper for it. I decided to do it on the role of the sports broadcaster. That Christmas break when I was home I was able to get time with Harry Caray, Chet Coppock, Johnny Morris and Vince Lloyd. For Lloyd I went down to the WGN studios to meet him. He was very nice and gave me more time than was originally scheduled for. One of the stories he told me as we were talking was the time to spoke to P.K. Wrigley before a Cub game down on the field. He said he asked Wrigley (not for airing) 'why can't the Cubs win?' Wrigley's answer according to Lloyd was certainly interesting. Lloyd said, that Wrigley told him, 'we're not interested in winning, we're interest in entertaining...' 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nrockway Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 For a bunch of guys who all love sitting around on their computer typing to strangers about a team that nobody has ever heard of, you sure don't seem to like each other very much. It's a pretty specific interest I say reserve the bad blood for Cubs and Orioles fans talking about their teams on tiktok or reddit. Especially reddit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 2 hours ago, Lip Man 1 said: This goes into the question is baseball's goal "to win" or "to entertain:" Apparently the Brewers owner made some interesting comments and the writer brings up the White Sox: https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/brewers-owner-mark-attanasio-questions-his-purpose-to-win-or-to-provide-a-summer-of-entertainment-for-fans/ The key comment is to have a revenue sharingbstucture in place like the other sports. Baseball is the only group that treats the teams unfairly. All others sports realize that to be competitive they need to be on a more level playing field. Pun intended. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 27 minutes ago, ptatc said: The key comment is to have a revenue sharingbstucture in place like the other sports. Baseball is the only group that treats the teams unfairly. All others sports realize that to be competitive they need to be on a more level playing field. Pun intended. Keeping what you make yourself is unfair? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 8 hours ago, southsider2k5 said: Keeping what you make yourself is unfair? It is if you want a competitive league. Personally, doesn't matter. But if someone wants to complain about not having competitive teams then they should want something closer to the revenue sharing model. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted February 20 Author Share Posted February 20 8 hours ago, southsider2k5 said: Keeping what you make yourself is unfair? Depends if the competitive (or comparative) advantage you have over the majority of teams in your sport is perceived as "fair" or not? (Obviously the Dodgers, for example, are paying all the competitive balance taxes they're required to according to the rules governing the sport agreed upon during the last labor negotiations...which are then redistributed to the so-called revenue sharing teams from mid and small markets.) This isn't Wal-Mart or Costco vs. mom and pop grocery stores, it's an institution protected by the antitrust exemption granted and enforced by the US Congress. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 (edited) 4 hours ago, ptatc said: It is if you want a competitive league. Personally, doesn't matter. But if someone wants to complain about not having competitive teams then they should want something closer to the revenue sharing model. The Sox are on their second rebuild in 9 years since the first one started in 2016. They have had only 2 winning seasons and 2 immediate playoff exits in these past 9 years. That’s isn’t due to lack of a revenue sharing model. The Sox aren’t competitive because the owner and people he put in charge are terrible at their jobs. Other teams have been more successful than the Sox with less money. There is no secret culprit when it comes to the Sox not being competitive enough. Edited February 20 by WhiteSox2023 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 1 hour ago, WhiteSox2023 said: The Sox are on their second rebuild in 9 years since the first one started in 2016. They have had only 2 winning seasons and 2 immediate playoff exits in these past 9 years. That’s isn’t due to lack of a revenue sharing model. The Sox aren’t competitive because the owner and people he put in charge are terrible at their jobs. Other teams have been more successful than the Sox with less money. There is no secret culprit when it comes to the Sox not being competitive enough. You can stick with the intent hate the owner narrative all you want. I'm referring to the league as a whole compared to the other leagues in pro sports. I f the league wants to have a truly competitive league they need to have revenue balance between teams. This is why all other leagues have true revenue sharing. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted February 20 Author Share Posted February 20 The Commissioner putting the Dodgers and Mets vs. 28 other teams/owners seems...unwise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted February 20 Author Share Posted February 20 The Commissioner putting the Dodgers and Mets vs. 28 other teams/owners seems...unwise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted February 21 Author Share Posted February 21 https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/u/0/d/168UrgTzbudkNwfrtDN9VmkBJQRqvhBU1tcNxVqIxuRw/htmlview?pli=1 Pirates now up to a $90 million payroll and 26th w/ Heaney signing... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timmy U Posted February 22 Share Posted February 22 On 2/19/2025 at 11:30 PM, caulfield12 said: Depends if the competitive (or comparative) advantage you have over the majority of teams in your sport is perceived as "fair" or not? (Obviously the Dodgers, for example, are paying all the competitive balance taxes they're required to according to the rules governing the sport agreed upon during the last labor negotiations...which are then redistributed to the so-called revenue sharing teams from mid and small markets.) This isn't Wal-Mart or Costco vs. mom and pop grocery stores, it's an institution protected by the antitrust exemption granted and enforced by the US Congress. The exemption was granted by SCOTUS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted February 22 Author Share Posted February 22 6 minutes ago, Timmy U said: The exemption was granted by SCOTUS. Oliver Wendell Holmes...remember visiting his grave site in Arlington National Cemetery. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted February 22 Author Share Posted February 22 (edited) "Does having a huge payroll really increase my chances that much of winning the championship?" Steinbrenner said. "I'm not sure there's a strong correlation there. Having said that, we're the New York Yankees, we know what our fans expect. We're always going to be one of the highest in payroll. That's not going to change. And it certainly didn't change this year." In the wild-card era (since 1995), 21 of the 30 teams to win the World Series ranked in the top 10 in Opening Day payroll. However, just three teams since 2009, the year the Yankees claimed their last championship, have won the World Series ranked in the top three in payroll: The 2018 Boston Red Sox (first in the majors), 2020 Los Angeles Dodgers (second) and 2024 Dodgers (third). https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/43955690/hal-steinbrenner-no-edict-spend-less-yankees-payroll Edited February 22 by caulfield12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lip Man 1 Posted February 25 Share Posted February 25 https://bleacherreport.com/articles/25163226-mlbpa-director-against-salary-cap-amid-criticism-dodgers-contracts-free-agency Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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