nrockway Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 I was laughing at O's fans for being optimistic about this guy. you can go down to Hyde Park and see the role this dunce has played in 'overhauling' the neighborhood. Fewer bizarre bookstores and sex shops, more chipotles and capital one cafes (this is a real thing). more weird, post-modern architecture. more security guards running stop signs and playing loud music outside my house at 2am. The baseball team is an investment for him and nothing more. Well it's a little more, it's an ego-stroking venture as well. Check the bobblehead. 57 minutes ago, Lip Man 1 said: Based on history and the way things went during the last lockout the MLBPA will never under any circumstances agree to a salary cap. That is the one tenet that has continued since the mid 1960's when Marvin Miller took over. And the case can be made the MLBPA is the strongest union in the world. Owners keep trying to chase this dream while their profits keep going up (cue Manfred's comments from a few months ago). The union isn't going to buy it in any way, shape or form. This is an interesting 'labor' dispute because the players could theoretically get a lot more out of arbitration in exchange. Or reach free agency sooner. Reaching free agency sooner seems like something a majority of players would like and would earn more money from. I believe MILB and MLB players have different unions otherwise I think this is a much easier negotiation. Minor league wages, even after the raise they got, are pretty pathetic. Minor League baseball is the lifeblood of Major League baseball, baseball is a wholly different sport without the minor leagues, they should pay the guys a little more. Especially the guys who will never sniff the majors, they're playing an important role for the sport. I reckon Dominican 15-year-olds don't have a union because they'd probably have some things to ask for too. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 14 minutes ago, nrockway said: This is an interesting 'labor' dispute because the players could theoretically get a lot more out of arbitration in exchange. Or reach free agency sooner. Reaching free agency sooner seems like something a majority of players would like and would earn more money from. I think the players asked for that when the owners mentioned a salary cap last time. You can tell how much of it happened. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lip Man 1 Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 39 minutes ago, nrockway said: I was laughing at O's fans for being optimistic about this guy. you can go down to Hyde Park and see the role this dunce has played in 'overhauling' the neighborhood. Fewer bizarre bookstores and sex shops, more chipotles and capital one cafes (this is a real thing). more weird, post-modern architecture. more security guards running stop signs and playing loud music outside my house at 2am. The baseball team is an investment for him and nothing more. Well it's a little more, it's an ego-stroking venture as well. Check the bobblehead. This is an interesting 'labor' dispute because the players could theoretically get a lot more out of arbitration in exchange. Or reach free agency sooner. Reaching free agency sooner seems like something a majority of players would like and would earn more money from. I believe MILB and MLB players have different unions otherwise I think this is a much easier negotiation. Minor league wages, even after the raise they got, are pretty pathetic. Minor League baseball is the lifeblood of Major League baseball, baseball is a wholly different sport without the minor leagues, they should pay the guys a little more. Especially the guys who will never sniff the majors, they're playing an important role for the sport. I reckon Dominican 15-year-olds don't have a union because they'd probably have some things to ask for too. I don't think Minor League players are union members. I don't know if they have a united representation or not, I'm guessing they don't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeC Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 11 minutes ago, Lip Man 1 said: I don't think Minor League players are union members. I don't know if they have a united representation or not, I'm guessing they don't. Yeah minor league players are not represented at all, from what I understand. IIRC, in the latest labor disputes, the big league union tried negotiating for improvements to the minor league conditions and labor standards as well… but I could be making that part up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 26 minutes ago, JoeC said: Yeah minor league players are not represented at all, from what I understand. IIRC, in the latest labor disputes, the big league union tried negotiating for improvements to the minor league conditions and labor standards as well… but I could be making that part up. https://www.mlbplayers.com/milb-players Quote As of August 2022, the Major League Baseball Players Association welcomed affiliated Minor League Baseball Players into our player fraternity. This historic step means that the MLBPA is now the sole collective bargaining representative for the 5,500 Minor League players at AAA, AA, High-A, Low-A, and Complex League levels. As union members, Minor League Players have been empowered with a collective voice in determining the terms and conditions of their employment. On March 31, 2023, Minor League Players overwhelmingly ratified their first Collective Bargaining Agreement. This CBA codified significant improvements in salaries, medical benefits, retirement benefits, home and road housing/lodging, transportation, nutrition, protection for injured players, protections for released players, impartial arbitration, and fundamental due process for Players subject to investigation or discipline. The hard work and courage of this generation of Minor Leaguers will make our game better for players and fans alike for decades to come. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lip Man 1 Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 43 minutes ago, Balta1701 said: https://www.mlbplayers.com/milb-players That's very good news as it will help guys who'll never get the chance to make big money at the Major League level. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeC Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 1 hour ago, Balta1701 said: https://www.mlbplayers.com/milb-players I stand corrected. Thank you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nrockway Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 1 hour ago, Lip Man 1 said: I don't think Minor League players are union members. I don't know if they have a united representation or not, I'm guessing they don't. Supposedly minor leaguers joined MLBPA in 2022 rather than forming their own. They ratified their own CBA a year later and I assumed they were under some weird umbrella like UAW. I don’t have any idea how the inclusion of minor leaguers impacts collective bargaining at the major league level. I imagine it might. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 5 hours ago, Lip Man 1 said: If it happens it happens, the Sox will still suck so unlike 1981, 1994 and the pandemic in 2020, it won't destroy a good season at least. Yeah I’ve thought the same. Would still suck but at least it’s at a time where they won’t be .500 or better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
46DidIt Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 If I open up a s%*# sandwich cafe in Chicago, does that mean I’m a big market restauranteur Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 On 1/24/2025 at 9:06 AM, TheFutureIsNear said: Show your books or shut up…that’s where I’m at with these owners crying poor. I don’t expect every team to be the Dodgers, but I’ll never believe these teams can’t turn a healthy profit spending $120+M on the roster If they agree to a floor and cap they will have to share all books. It's the only way to determine the true nimbers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeC Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 6 hours ago, 46DidIt said: If I open up a s%*# sandwich cafe in Chicago, does that mean I’m a big market restauranteur Sure, if there’s a government-mandated antitrust exemption that allows, for all intents and purposes, for all sandwiches to be purchased from you or one other competitor in the city of Chicago. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted January 26 Author Share Posted January 26 7 minutes ago, JoeC said: Sure, if there’s a government-mandated antitrust exemption that allows, for all intents and purposes, for all sandwiches to be purchased from you or one other competitor in the city of Chicago. Thought this was a joke about The Bear. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 7 hours ago, 46DidIt said: If I open up a s%*# sandwich cafe in Chicago, does that mean I’m a big market restauranteur I know of a few guys who would tell everyone this s%*# is 5 star. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lip Man 1 Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 As for the chances of Rubenstein getting his wish and MLB implementing a cap and a floor as part of the next CBA talks … well, who knows? MLB Players Association leader Tony Clark seemed to shut the door on that possibility back in 2023, stating: "We're never going to agree to a cap." https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/orioles-owner-david-rubenstein-says-he-wishes-mlb-would-have-a-salary-cap-the-way-other-sports-do/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 10 minutes ago, Lip Man 1 said: As for the chances of Rubenstein getting his wish and MLB implementing a cap and a floor as part of the next CBA talks … well, who knows? MLB Players Association leader Tony Clark seemed to shut the door on that possibility back in 2023, stating: "We're never going to agree to a cap." https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/orioles-owner-david-rubenstein-says-he-wishes-mlb-would-have-a-salary-cap-the-way-other-sports-do/ This is why there is going to be a prolonged lockout/strike. Even the new ownership who fans thought was going to be a savior from the cheap owners want the cap/floor to happen. MLB is the only sport that doesn't have one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lip Man 1 Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 1 hour ago, ptatc said: This is why there is going to be a prolonged lockout/strike. Even the new ownership who fans thought was going to be a savior from the cheap owners want the cap/floor to happen. MLB is the only sport that doesn't have one. It doesn't need one as the article clearly points out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted January 26 Share Posted January 26 5 hours ago, ptatc said: This is why there is going to be a prolonged lockout/strike. Even the new ownership who fans thought was going to be a savior from the cheap owners want the cap/floor to happen. MLB is the only sport that doesn't have one. I continue to believe that the lockout will last about 3 months again, because that’s how long they will go without losing games. Not only is there too much money coming in for them to miss the revenue, but they’d be crazy to threaten revenue growth that way again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eminor3rd Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 Really gonna enjoy this next lockout Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted January 27 Author Share Posted January 27 (edited) 3. The Orioles will regret not acquiring more starting pitching. One thing the O’s haven’t been able to get right since becoming an AL contender has been the starting pitching. Granted, several of their starters have sustained injuries over the past three seasons, but you’d think that would only motivate them to be more aggressive in the starting pitching market. https://sports.yahoo.com/5-predictions-for-the-2025-mlb-season-the-yankees-will-be-better-than-the-mets-the-as-will-make-the-playoffs-and-more-210318360.html Edited January 27 by caulfield12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestEddy Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 On 1/24/2025 at 5:02 PM, JoeC said: Yeah minor league players are not represented at all, from what I understand. IIRC, in the latest labor disputes, the big league union tried negotiating for improvements to the minor league conditions and labor standards as well… but I could be making that part up. https://www.mlbplayers.com/milb-players#:~:text=As union members%2C Minor League,their first Collective Bargaining Agreement. As union members, Minor League Players have been empowered with a collective voice in determining the terms and conditions of their employment. On March 31, 2023, Minor League Players overwhelmingly ratified their first Collective Bargaining Agreement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lip Man 1 Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 (edited) 18 hours ago, Balta1701 said: I continue to believe that the lockout will last about 3 months again, because that’s how long they will go without losing games. Not only is there too much money coming in for them to miss the revenue, but they’d be crazy to threaten revenue growth that way again. History shows for the most part (save for 94) you are correct in your educated guess. I can only speak for myself but if a labor impasse shuts down baseball in 2027, it won't bother me at all. The Sox are still going to suck so it won't be any loss to me to see/read about them losing 100 games yet again. Edited January 27 by Lip Man 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 9 hours ago, Lip Man 1 said: It doesn't need one as the article clearly points out. It never needs one but it will happen. The two sides won't give and I think the owners are set on it this time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 1 hour ago, Lip Man 1 said: History shows for the most part (save for 94) you are correct in your educated guess. I can only speak for myself but if a labor impasse shuts down baseball in 2007, it won't bother me at all. The Sox are still going to suck so it won't be any loss to me to see/read about them losing 100 games yet again. I believe you meant 2027. 2007 already sucked so hopefully we don’t have to relive that season again. 🤣 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soulfly Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 20 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said: I believe you meant 2027. 2007 already sucked so hopefully we don’t have to relive that season again. 🤣 Man, 2007 made me think of Dewon Day. Then it made me think of the shitty song cover of you had a bad day, but it was, cause you have Dewon Day. It used to be on youtube, but it's gone now sadly. That was pretty much the only good part of that 2007 team was that video. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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