caulfield12 Posted January 31 Author Share Posted January 31 8 minutes ago, Y2Jimmy0 said: I don’t think Keaschall was ever a realistic option personally. Except he wasn't ranked #45-62 last July...just a high-rising prospect with TJS on the horizon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 13 minutes ago, Y2Jimmy0 said: I don’t think Keaschall was ever a realistic option personally. You don't buy this? https://www.soxon35th.com/report-white-sox-passed-on-rivals-top-prospect-for-erick-fedde/ It sucks (if true) but whatever at this point. Hopefully Vargas somehow hits. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 (edited) 2 hours ago, Y2Jimmy0 said: I don’t think Keaschall was ever a realistic option personally. Plus you put Sasaki being able to make his own choice after a few seasons playing professional baseball on the Dodgers that tends to tip the scales quite a bit more than a trade that never happened likely due to multiple reasons. Plus it continues the trend of negative focuses no matter what good news pops up. I don't think Getz has done a great job but he is balancing the scales a bit after he probably wasn't quite prepared how to approach his 1st season as GM under Reinsdorf's monetary restrictions. He's done much better since the Grifol firing to bring in new people highly thought of in development circles. He's clearly leaning on Bannister to try to develop and create arms out of thin air. Among the 6 Sox prospects in the top 100 ESPN also put 5 Sox in the 101-200 range, most closer to 200 than 101. So if other ranking services did the same the 2nd 100 would be a lot different than the 1st 100 is from each ranking system. 2024 sucked from the MLB perspective but it was pretty good from the MiLB scene. Of course it was jump started by the trades made before Getz was hired just to be fair about it. I know it also got a huge boost from Crochet unexpectedly coming out of nowhere to pitch more innings than almost anyone thought possible. It happened under Getz' , Bannister's and Katz' watch but not everyone wants to say they had anything to do with it despite Crochet himself praising those involved. Being fair is not everyone's cup of tea. Many vloggers and bloggers are starting to see some progress and every new hire has been pretty eloquent expressing the necessary optimism inherent in coaching youth and the opportunity to work from the ground up on building something strong. They're doing pretty much the only thing they can without much allocated to player payroll. How long it takes to see anything resembling even a .500 team is anyone's guess. The franchise still has many different directions it can travel in the next 5+ years. Edited February 1 by CaliSoxFanViaSWside 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eminor3rd Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 12 hours ago, caulfield12 said: And a near monopoly on any Top NPB player coming over from Japan, starting with Murakami the Japanese Babe Ruth at third...really quite easy to now imagine going over to the Dodgers as well. Robert would likely thrive hitting 7-8-9 with little pressure or expectation to carry the offense. Everyone around the game is simply salivating over their Top 15 prospects (like Boston Big 3) and intl. signings, they got Hope/Ferris for Busch and their low first rounder in 2024 as well as Emil Morales (2024 intl.) could easily join Jose DePaula Rushing and Hope in the Top 15-30 range a year from now. Finally, they have a boatload of young pitching depth beyond their Top 7...it's almost an embarrassment of riches. And more quality relievers than they know what to do with them. I fear you are going to be really disappointed in Munetaka Murakami 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 😶 https://syndication.bleacherreport.com/amp/2794480-re-ranking-all-30-mlb-farm-systems-at-the-end-of-2018-milb-season.amp.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted February 1 Author Share Posted February 1 56 minutes ago, Eminor3rd said: I fear you are going to be really disappointed in Munetaka Murakami Kaz Okamoto at third? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 4 hours ago, Bob Sacamano said: You don't buy this? https://www.soxon35th.com/report-white-sox-passed-on-rivals-top-prospect-for-erick-fedde/ It sucks (if true) but whatever at this point. Hopefully Vargas somehow hits. If it looks bad for the front office if published, of course our insiders “wouldn’t buy it”. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 6 minutes ago, Balta1701 said: If it looks bad for the front office if published, of course our insiders “wouldn’t buy it”. We have a GM who got a mediocre return for Cease and chose to trade for Fletcher over McCarthy. Getz choosing Vargas over Keaschall wouldn’t be surprising at all. At least it looks like he may have nailed the Crochet trade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2Jimmy0 Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 The Twins wanted the White Sox to eat $$ on Fedde. They were never a real option imo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 4 minutes ago, Y2Jimmy0 said: The Twins wanted the White Sox to eat $$ on Fedde. They were never a real option imo. With the payroll so high who could blame them right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2Jimmy0 Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 26 minutes ago, Balta1701 said: If it looks bad for the front office if published, of course our insiders “wouldn’t buy it”. This isn’t necessary. Sincerely, f*** off. 16 minutes ago, Balta1701 said: With the payroll so high who could blame them right? I understand wanting more than Luke Keashall if eating $$ was necessary. They still ultimately made a very underwhelming trade though. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted February 1 Author Share Posted February 1 2 hours ago, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said: Plus you put Sasaki being able to make his own choice after a few seasons playing professional baseball on the Dodgers that tends to tip the scales quite a bit more than a trade that never happened likely due to multiple reasons. Plus it continues the trend of negative focuses no matter what good news pops up. I don't think Getz has done a great job but he is balancing the scales a bit after he probably wasn't quite prepared how to approach his 1st season as GM under Reinsdorf's monetary restrictions. He's done much better since the Grifol firing to bring in new people highly thought of in development circles. He's clearly leaning on Bannister to try to develop and create arms out of thin air. Among the 6 Sox prospects in the top 100 ESPN also put 5 Sox in the 101-200 range, most closer to 200 than 101. So if other ranking services did the same the 2nd 100 would be a lot different than the 1st 100 is from each ranking system. 2024 sucked from the MLB perspective but it was pretty good from the MiLB scene. Of course it was jump started by the trades made before Getz was hired just to be fair about it. I know it also got a huge boost from Crochet unexpectedly coming out of nowhere to pitch more innings than almost anyone thought possible. It happened under Getz' , Bannister's and Katz' watch but not everyone wants to say they had anything to do with it despite Crochet himself praising those involved. Being fair is not everyone's cup of tea. Many vloggers and bloggers are starting to see some progress and every new hire has been pretty eloquent expressing the necessary optimism inherent in coaching youth and the opportunity to work from the ground up on building something strong. They're doing pretty much the only thing they can without much allocated to player payroll. How long it takes to see anything resembling even a .500 team is anyone's guess. The franchise still has many different directions it can travel in the next 5+ years. Thorpe Zapata, Eder, Gonzalez, Colson sliding, Fletcher Berroa Vargas Colas Ramos....if a lot more of those broke the right way. Mixed bag trending uo. for sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted February 1 Author Share Posted February 1 38 minutes ago, Balta1701 said: If it looks bad for the front office if published, of course our insiders “wouldn’t buy it”. If you burn the front office repeatedly, your inside sources will unsurprisingly disappear. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestEddy Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 28 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said: We have a GM who got a mediocre return for Cease and chose to trade for Fletcher over McCarthy. Getz choosing Vargas over Keaschall wouldn’t be surprising at all. At least it looks like he may have nailed the Crochet trade. But he didn't choose Vargas over Keaschall. You've already admitted that maybe Hayes didn't have all the information with the Tweet you're proclaiming was Bible. Fletcher vs. McCarthy was a coin flip at the time of the trade. Fangraphs has Fletcher as a much better defensive OF than McCarthy. Fletcher's offense just regressed. So, you're saying that we have a GM who won some trades and lost some others. WOW! How prescient. Do you have a fantasy blog? Is it called FantasySportsBabble.com? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 5 minutes ago, caulfield12 said: If you burn the front office repeatedly, your inside sources will unsurprisingly disappear. The message that of course the White Sox couldn’t pay a couple million to significantly improve a prospect return because the message that the White Sox need money and are poor poor poor and deserve all the bailouts and a tax cut and a new stadium is a message we could never hear anywhere else. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 14 hours ago, MiddleCoastBias said: Obviously it's cool that we're viewed as having a strong farm system, but my main takeaway is that we're ushering in a new Evil Empire in baseball with the Dodgers having more money than god AND the top prospect pool to play with. The Dodgers basically took the Air Bud approach and went "is it against the rules? No? Then we're gonna do it." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted February 1 Author Share Posted February 1 (edited) 16 minutes ago, Quin said: The Dodgers basically took the Air Bud approach and went "is it against the rules? No? Then we're gonna do it." It hasn't worked nearly as well with Chelsea FC. That said...deferrals and payments in Bitcoin (Odell Beckham) are becoming increasingly common around pro sports. Apparently, Ohtani is also avoiding a huge chunk of CA state tax designing his payouts in this fashion. Edited February 1 by caulfield12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestEddy Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 17 minutes ago, caulfield12 said: Thorpe Zapata, Eder, Gonzalez, Colson sliding, Fletcher Berroa Vargas Colas Ramos....if a lot more of those broke the right way. Mixed bag trending uo. for sure. The industry's changing as MLB tries to condense minor league levels. They're proposing eliminating a minor league level in the next 5-10 years. Keith Law is saying that minor league depth is much worse than in the recent past. Prospects aren't given the leeway to suck for a couple of years while they learn the professional game. Somehow, that becomes a victory for the people who hate baseball, and criticize their teams relentlessly. Quote An ant mill is an observed phenomenon in which a group of army ants, separated from the main foraging party, lose the pheromone track and begin to follow one another, forming a continuously rotating circle. This circle is commonly known as a "death spiral" because the ants might eventually die of exhaustion. It has been reproduced in laboratories and in ant colony simulations. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ant_mill 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestEddy Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 (edited) 35 minutes ago, Balta1701 said: The message that of course the White Sox couldn’t pay a couple million to significantly improve a prospect return because the message that the White Sox need money and are poor poor poor and deserve all the bailouts and a tax cut and a new stadium is a message we could never hear anywhere else. I like lobster. Edited February 1 by WestEddy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted February 1 Author Share Posted February 1 5 minutes ago, WestEddy said: The industry's changing as MLB tries to condense minor league levels. They're proposing eliminating a minor league level in the next 5-10 years. Keith Law is saying that minor league depth is much worse than in the recent past. Prospects aren't given the leeway to suck for a couple of years while they learn the professional game. Somehow, that becomes a victory for the people who hate baseball, and criticize their teams relentlessly. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ant_mill I worked for a SAL team for two seasons in the 90s...pretty sure I understand why having a High A and Low A team is QUITE important. JR was one of the first to cut here, by the way. The White Sox had Bristol in the Appalachian League and Great Falls MT and also cut short season team budgeting as well. Cutting scouts etc...then look at the Dodgers adding teams to accommodate all their prospects. Not to mention how difficult it is for the Dominican kids to even get off the island to the US with fewer minor league teams Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 1 hour ago, Y2Jimmy0 said: The Twins wanted the White Sox to eat $$ on Fedde. They were never a real option imo. The more things change the more they Jerry the same. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestEddy Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 10 minutes ago, caulfield12 said: I worked for a SAL team for two seasons in the 90s...pretty sure I understand why having a High A and Low A team is QUITE important. JR was one of the first to cut here, by the way. The White Sox had Bristol in the Appalachian League and Great Falls MT and also cut short season team budgeting as well. Cutting scouts etc...then look at the Dodgers adding teams to accommodate all their prospects. Not to mention how difficult it is for the Dominican kids to even get off the island to the US with fewer minor league teams I have no idea what you're responding to, and I don't think you do, either. FutureSox guys have said that the Sox are constructing a new facility in the DR, and that will probably result in in another DSL team. Quote Through 1928 and 1929, Li travelled Southeast Asia with her father's China Song-and-Dance Troupe, which later became the Bright Moon Song and Dance Troupe. Li Minghui - Wikipedia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 19 minutes ago, WestEddy said: The industry's changing as MLB tries to condense minor league levels. They're proposing eliminating a minor league level in the next 5-10 years. Keith Law is saying that minor league depth is much worse than in the recent past. Prospects aren't given the leeway to suck for a couple of years while they learn the professional game. Somehow, that becomes a victory for the people who hate baseball, and criticize their teams relentlessly. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ant_mill Jerry won’t pay for pretty much anything to improve returns, minor league depth is worse than ever, the teams in front of us by 40-50 games have similarly ranked farms systems, but things are magically going to be fixed. Death spiral is a perfect way to describe this franchise right as they pat themselves on the back telling us how great of a job by refusing to do even a decent part of what it takes to win today in MLB. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted February 1 Author Share Posted February 1 14 minutes ago, WestEddy said: SoxTalk has ads. Why doesn't SoxTalk offer the Reinsdorf group $79trillion dollars for the White Sox? I mean, you guy are rolling in it from Google ads. You could buy the team tomorrow. You no longer have an argument against this. You are all rich beyond our imaginations. Buy the White sox or shut up. Sox sites have probably lost 50-75% of active membership the last two years. The easy riches are long gone lol. JR has cut off the gravy train for a lot of related enterprises. In all seriousness...labors of love like ST are not nearly as appreciated as they should be. WSI is a perfect example of what can go awry. It's admirable to me that SoxMachine was able to find a new home for Fegan. JR has also hurt the sports media field, too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted February 1 Author Share Posted February 1 9 minutes ago, WestEddy said: I have no idea what you're responding to, and I don't think you do, either. FutureSox guys have said that the Sox are constructing a new facility in the DR, and that will probably result in in another DSL team. Li Minghui - Wikipedia please let me know the first time Dominican efforts have resulted in a 2 fWAR player...it's now 16 years and counting., unless you're going to count Tatis, Jr. as "SOX/Getz development" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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