February 11, 20251 yr 7 minutes ago, ptatc said: Always do a couple of months of rest and rehab first I know the majority of people on here just want to cut and push the athletes like pieces of meat but they are people. You avoid surgery at all costs, first. Even if there is an actual tear in there? Like how much of a tear is acceptable?
February 11, 20251 yr 10 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: Even if there is an actual tear in there? Like how much of a tear is acceptable? Usually about 25% or so. It's more based on the special tests and how much laxity is involved. If it's a complete tear they will do surgery right away but those are rare. Those are from traumatic injuries like falling or car accidents. Most ligaments heal. There a few exceptions but the UCL isn't one of them. Edited February 11, 20251 yr by ptatc
February 12, 20251 yr 2 hours ago, ptatc said: Always do a couple of months of rest and rehab first I know the majority of people on here just want to cut and push the athletes like pieces of meat but they are people. You avoid surgery at all costs, first. Well if only it was a couple months then. Except it's been 5 months. I'm sure Ky isn't happy to lose an entire other year to his development either.
February 12, 20251 yr 19 minutes ago, Buehrle>Wood said: Well if only it was a couple months then. Except it's been 5 months. I'm sure Ky isn't happy to lose an entire other year to his development either. Getz said it happened in the off season
February 12, 20251 yr 7 hours ago, Buehrle>Wood said: Why the f*** do they always wait until Spring training to do this? He was injured in September? Why must they constantly turn 1 lost season into 2. Have you seen who owns the Sox?
February 12, 20251 yr HAVE GOD DAMN SURGERY SO YOU CAN COME BACK AND HELP MY FAVORITE TEAM WIN SOONER YOU SELFISH BASTARD!!!!!!!
February 12, 20251 yr 1 hour ago, southsider2k5 said: Getz said it happened in the off season I have a hard time believing that when they literally recalled him in Septmber to IL him for rehab purposes.
February 12, 20251 yr 8 minutes ago, Buehrle>Wood said: I have a hard time believing that when they literally recalled him in Septmber to IL him for rehab purposes.
February 12, 20251 yr I can’t really blame them for not wanting to get cut open. Makes sense to see if rest and waiting can help. Edited February 12, 20251 yr by Bob Sacamano
February 12, 20251 yr 5 minutes ago, Bob Sacamano said: I can’t really blame them for not wanting to get cut open. Makes sense to see if rest can wait. For sure. But it seems like there is a disconnect during the offseason. I cannot be convinced the most optimal time for surgery just coincidentally happens to be the first day of Spring Training for multiple pitchers now.
February 12, 20251 yr 6 minutes ago, Buehrle>Wood said: For sure. But it seems like there is a disconnect during the offseason. I cannot be convinced the most optimal time for surgery just coincidentally happens to be the first day of Spring Training for multiple pitchers now. Yeah, I get it. I’m sure there some that would rather just go ahead and do it to come back sooner.
February 12, 20251 yr 2 hours ago, Buehrle>Wood said: Well if only it was a couple months then. Except it's been 5 months. I'm sure Ky isn't happy to lose an entire other year to his development either. He would have missed it either way with a 9-12 month rehab. Better to try the conservative route first Edited February 12, 20251 yr by ptatc
February 12, 20251 yr 6 hours ago, southsider2k5 said: Reading between the lines here, does this mean the Sox already knew that Bush did and still waited? Or did they just figure out that he did? No that's not really how it works. They wouldn't have burned an option year late last year if they knew he was hurt. These guys try to avoid surgery at all costs.
February 12, 20251 yr 1 hour ago, Y2Jimmy0 said: No that's not really how it works. They wouldn't have burned an option year late last year if they knew he was hurt. These guys try to avoid surgery at all costs. They seemed to know by end of last year. To quote someone pretty bizarre move
February 12, 20251 yr 5 hours ago, Buehrle>Wood said: They seemed to know by end of last year. To quote someone pretty bizarre move Even if did happen in September, if he rehabs for 2 months on the fast end and decides on surgery, the earliest he would be back is the end of August, more likely Sept/Oct. He misses the season even in the best case scenario. Having surgery now, he is still ready for spring training next year. Either way he misses 2025.
February 12, 20251 yr 10 hours ago, Y2Jimmy0 said: No that's not really how it works. They wouldn't have burned an option year late last year if they knew he was hurt. These guys try to avoid surgery at all costs. Trying to figure out why the difference between his and Bush's situation that brought your original comment. It was a distinction for a reason. Why?
February 12, 20251 yr "The Sox selected Ky Bush's contract from Triple-A Charlotte, activated Dominic Leone from the 60-day injured list, and optioned Prelander Berroa and Sammy Peralta to Charlotte"...that was the original move in August, totally forgot those guys existed except Berroa. https://clutchpoints.com/white-sox-news-white-sox-makes-attention-grabbing-potential-savior lol September 15th last year he was put on IL for TJS...one day after being recalled from Charlotte. Then activated Oct 1 makes zero sense except as a roster management move. thebaseballcube.com 2024-09-14 Recalled from from Charlotte Knights (A+) Chicago White Sox Yes Active 2024-08-26 Assigned to Charlotte Knights (AAA) Chicago White Sox Charlotte (AAA) Yes Minors 2024-08-05 Contract purchased from minors 2024-10-01 Activated from injured list Chicago White Sox Yes Active 2024-09-15 IL-15 Tommy John Surgery Chicago Edited February 12, 20251 yr by caulfield12
February 12, 20251 yr 1 hour ago, caulfield12 said: "The Sox selected Ky Bush's contract from Triple-A Charlotte, activated Dominic Leone from the 60-day injured list, and optioned Prelander Berroa and Sammy Peralta to Charlotte"...that was the original move in August, totally forgot those guys existed except Berroa. https://clutchpoints.com/white-sox-news-white-sox-makes-attention-grabbing-potential-savior lol September 15th last year he was put on IL for TJS...one day after being recalled from Charlotte. Then activated Oct 1 makes zero sense except as a roster management move. thebaseballcube.com 2024-09-14 Recalled from from Charlotte Knights (A+) Chicago White Sox Yes Active 2024-08-26 Assigned to Charlotte Knights (AAA) Chicago White Sox Charlotte (AAA) Yes Minors 2024-08-05 Contract purchased from minors 2024-10-01 Activated from injured list Chicago White Sox Yes Active 2024-09-15 IL-15 Tommy John Surgery Chicago 40 days service time gets you the limited MLB pension. Longer term injury with TJS and there's a non-zero chance he never see a MLB roster again. Think he would be right at 40 days with the DL time. My guess is that's why they did it. Or there's something else in the CBA that allows him to properly/pay for rehab on 25 man/MLB IL vs MiLB/40man. Edited February 12, 20251 yr by Buehrle>Wood
February 12, 20251 yr 6 hours ago, ptatc said: Even if did happen in September, if he rehabs for 2 months on the fast end and decides on surgery, the earliest he would be back is the end of August, more likely Sept/Oct. He misses the season even in the best case scenario. Having surgery now, he is still ready for spring training next year. Either way he misses 2025. I'm still waiting for this long list of guys who had TJS and came back in 12 months, by the way. That's even with the supposedly new techniques. I even tracked down this compiled Google Doc list of players who had TJS and when they came back, and the number of pitchers who come back and pitch in under 13 months is almost 0. With the newer techniques, you can see that its dropping to 14-16 months more often now, so having it now might mean he's able to start rehab appearances next May-June, although that can still be rushing it for some guys (Crochet for example). If he had the surgery in December, then you could tell me he's possibly ready for Spring Training next year.
February 12, 20251 yr 6 hours ago, ptatc said: Even if did happen in September, if he rehabs for 2 months on the fast end and decides on surgery, the earliest he would be back is the end of August, more likely Sept/Oct. He misses the season even in the best case scenario. Having surgery now, he is still ready for spring training next year. Either way he misses 2025. Yea but his timeline for 2026 is pushed up so you are looking at a possible spring training comeback instead of mid 26. I don’t think anyone here is acting like these aren’t people and that we view these pitchers as meat assets to do with what we want. I think this messageboard sees this exact issue happen with the white Sox over and over whereas it seems the rest of the league is over it and gets the procedure done when they see the warning signs. You act as if we all make up the “rest and rehab and TJS” jokes with zero basis to it when it seems like it happens every year to this organization
February 12, 20251 yr Author 24 minutes ago, Kyyle23 said: I think this messageboard sees this exact issue happen with the white Sox over and over whereas it seems the rest of the league is over it and gets the procedure done when they see the warning signs. About 25% of all TJS happen in March and April. It's throughout the game.
February 12, 20251 yr 26 minutes ago, Kyyle23 said: Yea but his timeline for 2026 is pushed up so you are looking at a possible spring training comeback instead of mid 26. I don’t think anyone here is acting like these aren’t people and that we view these pitchers as meat assets to do with what we want. I think this messageboard sees this exact issue happen with the white Sox over and over whereas it seems the rest of the league is over it and gets the procedure done when they see the warning signs. You act as if we all make up the “rest and rehab and TJS” jokes with zero basis to it when it seems like it happens every year to this organization If the rest of the league does that except in the case of a significant tear then it's borderline malpractice. There are plenty of cases where they won't do it right away. Rest and rehab is the proper protocol. Surgery is always the last resort. In this case he will be ready for spring training either way. Even if they did it right away, he wasn't going to be ready for 2025.
February 12, 20251 yr Yes I’m sure the entire league is performing malpractice and the Sox are just the good guys protecting their guys against the evils of the rest of the game. They aren’t properly assessing their players and taking correct action like the white Sox are. It’s everyone else that’s wrong 👍 well can’t wait for the next “rest and rehab WHOOPS HOW THIS HAPPEN AGAIN TO US alas it just happens to the league nbd”
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