Kyyle23 Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 18 minutes ago, WestEddy said: About 25% of all TJS happen in March and April. It's throughout the game. Did I say TJS don’t happen in March or April? That’s weird don’t recall that being any part of my overall statement that this org routinely does this exact same rest and rehab thing only to get burned by a TJS at the end. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestEddy Posted February 12 Author Share Posted February 12 (edited) 17 minutes ago, Kyyle23 said: Did I say TJS don’t happen in March or April? That’s weird don’t recall that being any part of my overall statement that this org routinely does this exact same rest and rehab thing only to get burned by a TJS at the end. March and April TJS arise from doing a full work up and deciding TJS is the answer at the beginning or during of ST. You have a doctor telling you they're not getting burned. But I'm sure there's no anti-White Sox bias in your statement that the rest of the league "is over" TJS in spring training. And seriously, "hot garbage" and "bum" is regularly thrown around describing guys just doing a job. I can't imagine those people have a deep sense of caring when they deride these guys. Edited February 12 by WestEddy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestEddy Posted February 12 Author Share Posted February 12 Weird how the Dodgers, the gold standard for pitcher health, only found this out at the beginning of spring training, and didn't start treatment the day after the World Series. Dodgers relievers Michael Kopech and Evan Phillips are behind schedule and likely to start the year on the injured list. — Bob Nightengale (@BNightengale) February 12, 2025 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 20 minutes ago, WestEddy said: Weird how the Dodgers, the gold standard for pitcher health, only found this out at the beginning of spring training, and didn't start treatment the day after the World Series. Again, your strawman of the time this happened is just that, a strawman. This isn’t about it being handled in spring training. Consider us all surprised that Michael Kopech is behind schedule and might be on the injured list. Wow that’s just so surprising can’t believe westeddy has gotten me so good 2 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 Also, Ptatc is not a doctor as far as I know. He is what his name says Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestEddy Posted February 12 Author Share Posted February 12 6 minutes ago, Kyyle23 said: Also, Ptatc is not a doctor as far as I know. He is what his name says I stand corrected. Physical therapist. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 The Dodgers also acquire a hundred good players to cover for their injuries. The Sox have guys like Touki as a backup. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 46 minutes ago, Kyyle23 said: Again, your strawman of the time this happened is just that, a strawman. This isn’t about it being handled in spring training. Consider us all surprised that Michael Kopech is behind schedule and might be on the injured list. Wow that’s just so surprising can’t believe westeddy has gotten me so good So what did the Dodgers do to cover for this lack of pitching? Did they trade young prospects to get more middle relievers? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestEddy Posted February 12 Author Share Posted February 12 25 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: So what did the Dodgers do to cover for this lack of pitching? Did they trade young prospects to get more middle relievers? Who cares? The subject is announcing injuries, complications and timeline disruptions at the opening of spring training. You don't have to shoehorn your pet peeve into every single convo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 16 minutes ago, WestEddy said: Who cares? The subject is announcing injuries, complications and timeline disruptions at the opening of spring training. You don't have to shoehorn your pet peeve into every single convo. You, of all people, said this? After you LITERALLY shoehorned the Dodgers into this conversation about Ky Bush? hahahahahahahahahaha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestEddy Posted February 12 Author Share Posted February 12 31 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: You, of all people, said this? After you LITERALLY shoehorned the Dodgers into this conversation about Ky Bush? hahahahahahahahahaha I'm going to apologize to Chicago White Sox dude for this thread getting derailed. I should really stop logging in as you and mocking everything I post. The exchange was over. Kylle is implying that no other teams announce TJS, delayed timelines or other lingering injuries for pitchers at the opening of spring training. The Dodgers did just that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 9 minutes ago, WestEddy said: I'm going to apologize to Chicago White Sox dude for this thread getting derailed. I should really stop logging in as you and mocking everything I post. The exchange was over. Kylle is implying that no other teams announce TJS, delayed timelines or other lingering injuries for pitchers at the opening of spring training. The Dodgers did just that. Listen, I know your whole game here is to be mortally wounded by anyone who has something bad to say about the organization. This was my opening statement, to ptatc i never said “no other teams do this thing that routinely seems to affect the white sox” but rather the other 29 teams seem to deal with the injury immediately and move on. To which you replied “25 percent of TJS are reported in March and April ” because I dunno it was all you could think of at the time. It definitely was not a thing I was talking about but hey glad you got it out there Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 2 hours ago, WestEddy said: Weird how the Dodgers, the gold standard for pitcher health, only found this out at the beginning of spring training, and didn't start treatment the day after the World Series. Actually, this news came out several weeks ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 21 minutes ago, WestEddy said: I'm going to apologize to Chicago White Sox dude for this thread getting derailed. I should really stop logging in as you and mocking everything I post. The exchange was over. Kylle is implying that no other teams announce TJS, delayed timelines or other lingering injuries for pitchers at the opening of spring training. The Dodgers did just that. You should have just stopped there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestEddy Posted February 12 Author Share Posted February 12 37 minutes ago, Kyyle23 said: Listen, I know your whole game here is to be mortally wounded by anyone who has something bad to say about the organization. This was my opening statement, to ptatc i never said “no other teams do this thing that routinely seems to affect the white sox” but rather the other 29 teams seem to deal with the injury immediately and move on. To which you replied “25 percent of TJS are reported in March and April ” because I dunno it was all you could think of at the time. It definitely was not a thing I was talking about but hey glad you got it out there Dude, I don't see the point of dragging this out. Everybody paraphrases. Don't play the hyperbole game of calling me "mortally wounded", then whine like a little baby about a word. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestEddy Posted February 12 Author Share Posted February 12 36 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: You should have just stopped there. And you should have stopped before that. Go find Chris Getz and throw a snowball at him. It would save a lot of threads from getting derailed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 10 minutes ago, WestEddy said: And you should have stopped before that. Go find Chris Getz and throw a snowball at him. It would save a lot of threads from getting derailed. Take your own advice there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 8 minutes ago, WestEddy said: Dude, I don't see the point of dragging this out. Everybody paraphrases. Don't play the hyperbole game of calling me "mortally wounded", then whine like a little baby about a word. You dragged yourself into it with a response that had nothing to do with what I said, and immediately whined like a little baby about “burn” You literally fight with the entire board all the fucking time. My comment wasn’t directed to you, about you, or anything regarding you or anything you said, and you started insulting me about it. there is no hyperbole here, you are the biggest baby this board has seen since Ragah. Congrats on that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 19 minutes ago, WestEddy said: And you should have stopped before that. Go find Chris Getz and throw a snowball at him. It would save a lot of threads from getting derailed. And if you hit him with a snowball, he will then trade you for someone who can’t throw strikes 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 4 minutes ago, fathom said: And if you hit him with a snowball, he will then trade you for someone who can’t throw strikes Or cash considerations... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 26 minutes ago, fathom said: And if you hit him with a snowball, he will then trade you for someone who can’t throw strikes dont' give the rotation any ideas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 10 hours ago, WestEddy said: About 25% of all TJS happen in March and April. It's throughout the game. Ok wait. 1/2 of February, March, April, May, June, July, August, September. Maybe October. Without counting October, that's 7.5-ish months. March and April are thus 25% of the MLB year. So basically, TJS is effectively random for most teams. Out of the last set of TJS operations done for the White Sox on guys whose names I recognize: Guys who got hurt or did the surgery right around ST: Jimmy Cordero Garrett Crochet Matt Foster Davis Martin Jesse Scholtens Ky Bush Guys who had it at some other time in the year: Evan Marshall Liam Hendriks If 25% of the injuries are associated with Spring Training, and out of the last 8 big leaguers - 6 of the 8 White Sox had them in Spring Training or right after, that is a huge overconcentration. Might even count as statistically significant as an outlier. This pattern also does not continue back into the 2010s, because guys like Rodon and Kopech were having it mid-season. Edit: now that I think about it, Hendricks basically counts as a spring training TJS also since they rushed him back from f***ing Chemotherapy to the big leagues with only like 6 innings of work, no time for his body or arm to recover. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Grinder Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 The train wreck continues 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lip Man 1 Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 3 hours ago, Balta1701 said: Ok wait. 1/2 of February, March, April, May, June, July, August, September. Maybe October. Without counting October, that's 7.5-ish months. March and April are thus 25% of the MLB year. So basically, TJS is effectively random for most teams. Out of the last set of TJS operations done for the White Sox on guys whose names I recognize: Guys who got hurt or did the surgery right around ST: Jimmy Cordero Garrett Crochet Matt Foster Davis Martin Jesse Scholtens Ky Bush Guys who had it at some other time in the year: Evan Marshall Liam Hendriks If 25% of the injuries are associated with Spring Training, and out of the last 8 big leaguers - 6 of the 8 White Sox had them in Spring Training or right after, that is a huge overconcentration. Might even count as statistically significant as an outlier. This pattern also does not continue back into the 2010s, because guys like Rodon and Kopech were having it mid-season. Edit: now that I think about it, Hendricks basically counts as a spring training TJS also since they rushed him back from f***ing Chemotherapy to the big leagues with only like 6 innings of work, no time for his body or arm to recover. When did Dane Dunning have it when he was with the Sox? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 12 minutes ago, Lip Man 1 said: When did Dane Dunning have it when he was with the Sox? Looks like March 2019. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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