southsider2k5 Posted February 26 Share Posted February 26 11 minutes ago, poppysox said: Ishiba did not give up his Twins pursuit for the right of first refusal, in my opinion. I sure don't think he refuses, but that is a typical structure in this situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrittBurnsFan Posted February 26 Share Posted February 26 10 minutes ago, Kyyle23 said: The only reason I think maybe it would be a problem is because of what was mentioned earlier in the thread, in which it was noted that JR lost a ton of juice when he tried to block Manfred. But what does JR gain in return for being the "bad" guy this go-around? Vengeance against some owners? Against the union? I sure hope he isn't obsessed with that mindset in his last years of life. If he thought he could do something that would "save the game" or the likes then yeah...but would he really want to go out as the "hatchet man"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pcq Posted February 26 Share Posted February 26 57 minutes ago, Bob Sacamano said: Yeah I think it will be longer than some are hoping for. It isn't going to be that instant. However, I think it could be by end of 2026 whenever the agreement ends with the MLBPA (I'm pretty sure the last one expired in December). Ishbia is only 47 so he could wait a few years. Ishy is an investor at this point. Managing partner could come up later if Jerry wants to step aside. Could be a few more years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Look at Ray Ray Run Posted February 26 Share Posted February 26 32 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: People still haven't forgiven Jerry for 1994. if this is going to be as ugly and bloody as people claim, blame going to someone who is leaving the picture if very convenient for everyone else. This doesn't mean they won't be on the same basic page, but it will be Jerry with the knife, and not the new owners. Ishbia doesn't strike me as someone who wants to hold the players down. He's buying a team to win and for fun. If anything, he'll want to act like a big market owner so I just don't see the benefit of having a small-market representation at the table. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted February 26 Share Posted February 26 7 minutes ago, BrittBurnsFan said: But what does JR gain in return for being the "bad" guy this go-around? Vengeance against some owners? Against the union? I sure hope he isn't obsessed with that mindset in his last years of life. If he thought he could do something that would "save the game" or the likes then yeah...but would he really want to go out as the "hatchet man"? lol maybe that’s his bag? Some guys enjoy that fight 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaleAleSox Posted February 26 Share Posted February 26 7 minutes ago, pcq said: Ishy is an investor at this point. Managing partner could come up later if Jerry wants to step aside. Could be a few more years. Maybe I'm an asshole, but I don't think an 89 year old (and if it's few years, a 92 or 93 year old or whatever) should be running anything. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted February 26 Share Posted February 26 7 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said: Ishbia doesn't strike me as someone who wants to hold the players down. He's buying a team to win and for fun. If anything, he'll want to act like a big market owner so I just don't see the benefit of having a small-market representation at the table. That's a fair take, this is just mostly me reading tea leaves. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted February 26 Share Posted February 26 14 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said: Ishbia doesn't strike me as someone who wants to hold the players down. He's buying a team to win and for fun. If anything, he'll want to act like a big market owner so I just don't see the benefit of having a small-market representation at the table. Everyone hopes anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted February 26 Share Posted February 26 My guess is this is how this will all play out: Ishbia buys out minority shareholders this Friday…Ishbia will assume +50% ownership of team but control will remain with Jerry Capital call for remaining shareholders to help finance new stadium…team control passes to Ishbia and he receives ROFR on Reinsdorf shares Jerry passes and his sons liquidate their holdings at elevated multiple…Ishbia secures full ownership through new agreement or ROFR The first part we will know about in the next couple weeks. How and when control passes to Jerry is the big wild card. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted February 26 Share Posted February 26 5 minutes ago, ptatc said: Everyone hopes anyway. Can it be any worse? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T R U Posted February 26 Share Posted February 26 14 minutes ago, PaleAleSox said: Maybe I'm an asshole, but I don't think an 89 year old (and if it's few years, a 92 or 93 year old or whatever) should be running anything. This. I went to an article someone posted around here and it said there was a 98 year old on the board. Like what the hell is this. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted February 26 Share Posted February 26 20 minutes ago, fathom said: Can it be any worse? Sure. Don't ever ask that question. Look at what the brother did in Phoenix. Changed the whole team, has the highest payroll in the league. Team got worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Look at Ray Ray Run Posted February 26 Share Posted February 26 7 minutes ago, ptatc said: Sure. Don't ever ask that question. Look at what the brother did in Phoenix. Changed the whole team, has the highest payroll in the league. Team got worse. He brought on elite talent who didn't mesh. If that's our problem here, OK. That would be way better than having the worst team in the sports history. 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted February 26 Share Posted February 26 5 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said: He brought on elite talent who didn't mesh. If that's our problem here, OK. That would be way better than having the worst team in the sports history. The key point was that the team got worse. Regardless of the reason. He asked if can it get any worse. Hopefully, not. But don't ever ask that question. Because it's always possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Look at Ray Ray Run Posted February 26 Share Posted February 26 5 minutes ago, ptatc said: The key point was that the team got worse. Regardless of the reason. He asked if can it get any worse. Hopefully, not. But don't ever ask that question. Because it's always possible. The suns were just in a conference finals. It's much easier to get "worse" than that. 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted February 26 Share Posted February 26 (edited) 15 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said: The suns were just in a conference finals. It's much easier to get "worse" than that. Sure. But even compared to the previous years they were worse. Let's hope that new ownership will help. It's not a guarantee though. Everyone down there is pissed because they took a good team tore it apart and made it worse. Edited February 26 by ptatc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted February 26 Share Posted February 26 6 minutes ago, ptatc said: Sure. But even compared to the previous years they were worse. Let's hope that new ownership will help. It's not a guarantee though. Everyone down there is pissed because they took a good team tore it apart and made it worse. They absolutely were not pissed when they went and acquired three of the top players available in the offseason lmao. The Suns results aren’t indicative of the owners messing with anything, they let the GM spend what he wanted to spend and it’s not working out due to injury 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrittBurnsFan Posted February 26 Share Posted February 26 What does the issue of an expiring lease do for/against JR? Does it make the team more/less valuable? I get that many of us want a shiny new park (I DO!!)...but what impact would it have on the value of the franchise if JR decided to sign a lease for the use of the current park for 10 or 20 years? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted February 26 Share Posted February 26 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Kyyle23 said: They absolutely were not pissed when they went and acquired three of the top players available in the offseason lmao. The Suns results aren’t indicative of the owners messing with anything, they let the GM spend what he wanted to spend and it’s not working out due to injury They weren't pissed with the moves made. It looked good. Talk to them now. They are angry. One even responded on a white sox podcast when a Phoenix hosts was on to complain. Regardless, the point being it can get worse at anytime. Edited February 26 by ptatc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted February 26 Share Posted February 26 (edited) Idk it's VERY hard to be worse than Jerry. We've been to the playoffs like three times in the last 20 years and are coming off a historically awful season. At worst, it stays the same but we get a cool stadium out of it. Edited February 26 by Bob Sacamano 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hogan873 Posted February 26 Share Posted February 26 White Sox fans are so miserable that when news leaks that the team may get a new owner, we're arguing on a message board that maybe we don't want a rich owner who has a history of spending because it might get worse. You know the expression "The grass isn't always greener?" Well, in this case, there's actual grass over there vs. a barren desert with nothing but tumbleweeds and dust devils here and now. 2 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Look at Ray Ray Run Posted February 26 Share Posted February 26 15 minutes ago, ptatc said: They weren't pissed with the moves made. It looked good. Talk to them now. They are angry. One even responded on a white sox podcast when a Phoenix hosts was on to complain. Regardless, the point being it can get worse at anytime. Based on the entire history of baseball, it is quite literally impossible to get worse than last year. 3 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pcq Posted February 26 Share Posted February 26 Word to the wise. The Bill's new joint is about half done. The cost was about $1.4 B when they started now they say it will cost $2.2 B. The owner Pegula pays the overage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted February 26 Share Posted February 26 7 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said: Based on the entire history of baseball, it is quite literally impossible to get worse than last year. Since they set the new record for losses in a season, it is categorically untrue that they can't set the record again. They literally did it last year. Again we hope it's not going to happen, it likely won't happen but never say it can't get worse. Last years team proved it can. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted February 26 Share Posted February 26 6 minutes ago, pcq said: Word to the wise. The Bill's new joint is about half done. The cost was about $1.4 B when they started now they say it will cost $2.2 B. The owner Pegula pays the overage. Yeah, that is always a point of contention with building. Who covers the cost over runs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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