Chicago White Sox Posted February 25 Share Posted February 25 25 minutes ago, T R U said: This post makes more sense for any Dodgers fans bitching about their 1-4 start. Death, taxes, and the optimistic people shitting on everyone who is pissed off about this organization. Never fails. He’s not shitting on fans for being angry, but the takes are fucking wild in these threads. The overreactions to every single plate appearance is hilarious. Same for the worries on velocity of guys still ramping up. And then debating whether spring training W-L records are predictive of regular season success…I don’t care if we win every game from here on out, our team is going to be terrible this year. We don’t need to a three game sample to confirm that for us. I will never tell fans not to be pissed off because everyone should be, but I don’t think there is anything wrong with a poster asking us to be a little bit smarter on what we complain about. And don’t get me wrong, I can be a total meatball at times and am not trying to suggest I’m better than anyone here, but Autumn is a really good poster who is just trying to bring better conversation to the board. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T R U Posted February 25 Share Posted February 25 8 minutes ago, WestEddy said: What does that have to do with being concerned about how bad he was last season? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted February 25 Share Posted February 25 7 minutes ago, WestEddy said: Low low low pitches like the Thielbar homer....that was low and away but still slightly pulled to straight away CF. veteran LHP of course so that was encouraging Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBooneLoganEra Posted February 25 Share Posted February 25 17 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said: To be honest, there is nothing more ridiculous than a spring training game thread. Small sample sizes, uneven matchups, guys ramping up and working through stuff, weather effects, etc..all ignored for the hottest of takes. Generally I'd agree with you. But they're getting drilled everyday and look horrible in the process. Even in spring a win or two breeds positivity and individual success. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted February 25 Share Posted February 25 5 minutes ago, T R U said: What does that have to do with being concerned about how bad he was last season? Proof he's back lol. Over doing exuberance. Sitting FB first pitch...new reliever into game isn't going offspeed lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestEddy Posted February 25 Author Share Posted February 25 Okay, there you go. Fletcher homer. Screw Canario. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted February 25 Share Posted February 25 12 minutes ago, T R U said: At the same time, I wouldn’t be using Colson as a basis for an argument. He sucked last year and is swinging through 89 mph fastballs today. There’s definitely cause for concern with him, especially how important he is to the future of this team. Oh 100% agree. I’m definitely worried myself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted February 25 Share Posted February 25 (edited) Positive: Those last inning runs kept the Sox offense at 3 runs per game this Spring! Negative: The Rockies scored more runs in today’s game than the Sox have scored through 4 games. Edited February 25 by WhiteSox2023 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestEddy Posted February 25 Author Share Posted February 25 8 minutes ago, T R U said: What does that have to do with being concerned about how bad he was last season? This part: Quote At the same time, I wouldn’t be using Colson as a basis for an argument. He sucked last year and is swinging through 89 mph fastballs today. Did you forget you wrote this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T R U Posted February 25 Share Posted February 25 8 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said: He’s not shitting on fans for being angry, but the takes are fucking wild in these threads. The overreactions to every single plate appearance is hilarious. Same for the worries on velocity of guys still ramping up. And then debating whether spring training W-L records are predictive of regular season success…I don’t care if we win every game from here on out, our team is going to be terrible this year. We don’t need to a three game sample to confirm that for us. I will never tell fans not to be pissed off because everyone should be, but I don’t think there is anything wrong with a poster asking us to be a little bit smarter on what we complain about. And don’t get me wrong, I can be a total meatball at times and am not trying to suggest I’m better than anyone here, but Autumn is a really good poster who is just trying to bring better conversation to the board. There’s always going to be wild takes in game threads, it’s in the moment reactions. Obviously, your W/L record in spring training is meaningless that’s not really a debate. I could do without having to read the constant battle of this team is terrible Vs. stop complaining about everything but it is what it is at this point in time. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted February 25 Share Posted February 25 7 minutes ago, TheBooneLoganEra said: Generally I'd agree with you. But they're getting drilled everyday and look horrible in the process. Even in spring a win or two breeds positivity and individual success. I just think a three or four game sample to open spring training is meaningless in the grand scheme of things. To be honest, we should all be worried about next year because we know this team is bad, not because they are starting off slow. And I get it’s natural to overreact to things in a game thread, I do it all the time myself, but spring is just a different beast in general. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted February 25 Share Posted February 25 10 minutes ago, WestEddy said: Okay, there you go. Fletcher homer. Screw Canario. We know Fletcher can hit HR’s in Arizona…the problem is him hitting them everywhere else. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted February 25 Share Posted February 25 32 minutes ago, Autumn Dreamin said: Do we have to do this thing where we pretend not to understand that process > results in spring? Process: Colson punishes a low fastball. Result: Inning ending out for a hitless day. Which piece is more predictive? You can have a bad process and get bad results, like the 2024 Sox. You can also have a good process and still get bad results, like the Dodgers 1-4 spring record this year. The Rockies had a .586 win% in spring last year, and then had a 101 loss season. The process is the informative piece rather than the record itself. The Sox being bad at both doesn't magically make the record matter. I don't care about Cactus League standings, I care about the process improving. But of course, everyone here knows that already, because none of you would be infused with optimism by a bunch of spring wins driven by errors from opposing AA defenders or lighting up camp invite reclamation projects (though, of course, when OUR #96 filler from the backfields gets lit up, it's totally predictive of the season to come...) Judge the process. Or don't, I admit that it's a pain with inconsistent broadcasts and data. But then also don't be a spring training box score watcher declaring that you know they'll be bad because Colson went 0-3 and a pitcher working on a new FB shape gave up contact that got misplayed into runs by a MiLB deal guy who won't make the team. So much server space here is wasted performatively complaining about silly fake things when there are actual real things to complain about and it makes it so discouraging to try to have actual baseball conversations. You're fighting a battle that can't be won. You're spitting into the wind. Game threads are going to game thread more than they have ever game threaded before after a historically bad season and a bunch nobodies and prospects duking it out for roster spots. No matter how logical your arguments to be patient and understanding because you can't be as dumb as you're acting , it will ultimately get you labeled as a water carrying , Getzasslicking know-it-all by the Lord of the Flies Soxtalk Militia. Save your knowledge for the Future Sox section where's it's much more appreciated. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted February 25 Share Posted February 25 6 minutes ago, T R U said: There’s always going to be wild takes in game threads, it’s in the moment reactions. Obviously, your W/L record in spring training is meaningless that’s not really a debate. I could do without having to read the constant battle of this team is terrible Vs. stop complaining about everything but it is what it is at this point in time. I fully agree with what you’re saying in regard to your last point. Telling people they can’t complain is annoying…I just don’t think Autumn intended it like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T R U Posted February 25 Share Posted February 25 5 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said: I fully agree with what you’re saying in regard to your last point. Telling people they can’t complain is annoying…I just don’t think Autumn intended it like that. He’s a good poster, I wasn’t trying to single him out more so just a general comment on the situation. I get it’s spring training, it’s also a large majority of the guys who are going to be on this roster. We knew they were bad already, I don’t think it matters much what they’re working on. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T R U Posted February 25 Share Posted February 25 Also, read the room. When it’s 10-1 and the Sox have Kd 15 times it’s probably not the best time to jump in telling people to chill. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lip Man 1 Posted February 25 Share Posted February 25 Granted it is spring training but the ineptness of this team is mind-blowing. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestEddy Posted February 25 Author Share Posted February 25 Sean Burke tomorrow. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted February 25 Share Posted February 25 8 minutes ago, T R U said: Also, read the room. When it’s 10-1 and the Sox have Kd 15 times it’s probably not the best time to jump in telling people to chill. But remember, it’s about the process that led to White Sox players striking out 15 times, not the actual results — 15 strikeouts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Autumn Dreamin Posted February 25 Share Posted February 25 56 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: Can we at least not pretend that most of these concerns aren't directly due to either previous concerns over a particular player, or the fact that this was literally the worst team in the history of MLB, and people don't need to be gaslit for remember that? I would welcome discussions about particular concerns over particular players! I want nothing more than to actually talk about guys' pitch mixes and whether they will play in the majors, or if a hitter needs to make swing changes and how that's working out. A single spring appearance is not informative of anyone's ultimate career trajectory, but it definitely can add to an existing portfolio of concerns. My issue is that rather than contextualizing the singular performance (ex. "Iriarte lost his command in his second inning") or even the broader concern (ex. "Iriarte might not make it be a starter if he can't stay in the zone"), folks will immediately extrapolate to "Iriarte will never be a starter, everyone on the roster is atrocious, the White Sox may never win again." The White Sox suck. Cool. I'm not "gaslighting" you about that. I'm just interested in what the problems actually are (and maybe how/if they can fix it) instead of responding to every inning of spring training with "Sox suck" like it's news. It's lazy and uninteresting and leaves no room for actual conversation. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T R U Posted February 25 Share Posted February 25 5 minutes ago, WestEddy said: Sean Burke tomorrow. See, now there’s something to looking forward to. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoUEvenShift Posted February 25 Share Posted February 25 8 minutes ago, WestEddy said: Sean Burke tomorrow. & Noah Schultz & Hagen Smith 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted February 25 Share Posted February 25 5 minutes ago, DoUEvenShift said: & Noah Schultz & Hagen Smith And most importantly, televised. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chitownsportsfan Posted February 25 Share Posted February 25 38 minutes ago, WestEddy said: Colson is going to hit. We haven't had a player like him in forever. I honestly don't think we've ever had a guy with his physical profile from the left side since I've been a fan. The closest would be Jermaine but he was RHB and fading out of his prime when we got him. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted February 25 Share Posted February 25 (edited) 15 minutes ago, Autumn Dreamin said: I would welcome discussions about particular concerns over particular players! I want nothing more than to actually talk about guys' pitch mixes and whether they will play in the majors, or if a hitter needs to make swing changes and how that's working out. A single spring appearance is not informative of anyone's ultimate career trajectory, but it definitely can add to an existing portfolio of concerns. My issue is that rather than contextualizing the singular performance (ex. "Iriarte lost his command in his second inning") or even the broader concern (ex. "Iriarte might not make it be a starter if he can't stay in the zone"), folks will immediately extrapolate to "Iriarte will never be a starter, everyone on the roster is atrocious, the White Sox may never win again." The White Sox suck. Cool. I'm not "gaslighting" you about that. I'm just interested in what the problems actually are (and maybe how/if they can fix it) instead of responding to every inning of spring training with "Sox suck" like it's news. It's lazy and uninteresting and leaves no room for actual conversation. Iriarte needs three pitches as a starter. Better location. Fastball not good enough to blow guys away when when down in the count. Not much confidence in his change up today. Maybe needs a cutter/splitter...two pitch mix simply doesn't work without dominant stuff. The only pitcher with close to great stuff SD has EVER traded under Preller was Gore in the Wood Abrams Santana Hassell deal for Soto. ONE guy. That was not a reliever profile first. Edited February 25 by caulfield12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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