The only thing worse than losing baseball games is losing baseball games with no hitting. I thought if Robert Jr, Vargas, Vaughn and Benintendi would hit this team would be better. Only Benintendi is hitting. I also thought that Quero, Teel and Meidroth would be on the team to provide some hope for the future. None of the 3 are on the team.   The thing that gets me about this whole situation is that ownership seems content with all of this.

15 minutes ago, WBWSF said:

The only thing worse than losing baseball games is losing baseball games with no hitting. I thought if Robert Jr, Vargas, Vaughn and Benintendi would hit this team would be better. Only Benintendi is hitting. I also thought that Quero, Teel and Meidroth would be on the team to provide some hope for the future. None of the 3 are on the team.   The thing that gets me about this whole situation is that ownership seems content with all of this.

You're just now realizing we have a bottom 2 mlb payroll and will probably play service time games with Teel as well?

And are also angling for a Top 1-3 draft pick in 2026?

7 minutes ago, caulfield12 said:

You're just now realizing we have a bottom 2 mlb payroll and will probably play service time games with Teel as well?

And are also angling for a Top 1-3 draft pick in 2026?

How long does Teel have to be in the minors?

6 minutes ago, WBWSF said:

How long does Teel have to be in the minors?

Sometime in early May...plus we will be freezing to death in Detroit and Cleveland soon enough.

38 minutes ago, WBWSF said:

The only thing worse than losing baseball games is losing baseball games with no hitting. I thought if Robert Jr, Vargas, Vaughn and Benintendi would hit this team would be better. Only Benintendi is hitting. I also thought that Quero, Teel and Meidroth would be on the team to provide some hope for the future. None of the 3 are on the team.   The thing that gets me about this whole situation is that ownership seems content with all of this.

You just gotta flush it.

2 hours ago, southsider2k5 said:

And you were just crapping on everyone who didn't want to pay to watch exactly this.

You are watching and commenting on it.

Not gonna lie, 1st place feels real nice.

1 hour ago, WBWSF said:

The only thing worse than losing baseball games is losing baseball games with no hitting. I thought if Robert Jr, Vargas, Vaughn and Benintendi would hit this team would be better. Only Benintendi is hitting. I also thought that Quero, Teel and Meidroth would be on the team to provide some hope for the future. None of the 3 are on the team.   The thing that gets me about this whole situation is that ownership seems content with all of this.

Vargas and Vaughn seem to be at best mediocre and are probably worse than that. Robert seems to have one foot out the door already. There's really nothing here that makes a pitcher really have to stop and take notice. If this continues and Benintendi stays relatively hot he won't see any decent pitches to hit in game situations. 

Edited April 3, 20251 yr by Lip Man 1

Not buying the service time arguments now or ever.  Careers are short especially for baseball players. Nothing in the future in baseball or for that matter in life is certain.  Put the best team possible on the field.  The team can always keep/sign a player or trade him.  You can't build a hypothetical roster in some future year based on keeping a few players until the end of team control.

1 hour ago, caulfield12 said:

You're just now realizing we have a bottom 2 mlb payroll and will probably play service time games with Teel as well?

And are also angling for a Top 1-3 draft pick in 2026?

I'm against abuse of service time strategy and intentional tanking. 

7 minutes ago, tray said:

I'm against abuse of service time strategy and intentional tanking. 

Then the only alternative is 1) death, 2) waiting for JR's death/Ishbia taking over, or 3) buying the shares from Ishbia/JR/JR's sons, lol.

Yes, I admit that it is depressing to see how Minnesota still appears better than the Sox but no reason to stop trying to improve this team and win as many games as possible.

 

6 minutes ago, tray said:

Yes, I admit that it is depressing to see how Minnesota still appears better than the Sox but no reason to stop trying to improve this team and win as many games as possible.

 

There's really a legitimate question whether Reinsdorf and the Board have ANY willingness at all to spend beyond maintaining a Bottom 1-3 MLB payroll until the predicted Lockout/Labor dispute before the 2027 season.

Last time I checked, we were only ahead of the Marlins in that spending category.

8 minutes ago, caulfield12 said:

Then the only alternative is 1) death, 2) waiting for JR's death/Ishbia taking over, or 3) buying the shares from Ishbia/JR/JR's sons, lol.

Fvk Ishbia. Some treat him like some sort of potential savior of the franchise . Oh sure, he is going to do you as a fan some sort of favor by casting aside personal gain and private equity principles to gamble money on enormous player contracts.  You think he is some kind of gaddamn fool?

How did his probing for a majority ownership stake work out for Minnesota fans? In reality this guy  is just looking for another deal to make himself wealthier.  As Americans, we should all know by now that immense greed is a disease that spreads quickly among the billionaire class. You know a lot of these guys by name.

7 minutes ago, tray said:

Fvk Ishbia. Some treat him like some sort of potential savior of the franchise . Oh sure, he is going to do you as a fan some sort of favor by casting aside personal gain and private equity principles to gamble money on enormous player contracts.  You think he is some kind of gaddamn fool?

How did his probing for a majority ownership stake work out for Minnesota fans? In reality this guy  is just looking for another deal to make himself wealthier.  As Americans, we should all know by now that immense greed is a disease that spreads quickly among the billionaire class.

 

26 minutes ago, tray said:

Fvk Ishbia. Some treat him like some sort of potential savior of the franchise . Oh sure, he is going to do you as a fan some sort of favor by casting aside personal gain and private equity principles to gamble money on enormous player contracts.  You think he is some kind of gaddamn fool?

How did his probing for a majority ownership stake work out for Minnesota fans? In reality this guy  is just looking for another deal to make himself wealthier.  As Americans, we should all know by now that immense greed is a disease that spreads quickly among the billionaire class. You know a lot of these guys by name.

Counterpoint: Jerry Reinsdorf fuckin sucks

58 minutes ago, tray said:

 

Well, we know from this rebuild as well as the previous one that JR will only spend to a certain amount that he's comfortable with...and nothing more.

That still SHOULD have been enough to dominate the AL Central, but not with the way Hahn allocated the budget.

 

The question is how much more Ishbia will spend to bring back the lost/disenchanted Sox fans, and how much he's willing to invest on the private side of a new White Sox stadium...?

We see the example of Durant being brought into the Suns with his Justin's brother Matt, but the disastrous side taking on the Bradley Beal contract as well.

Edited April 3, 20251 yr by caulfield12

2 hours ago, tray said:

You are watching and commenting on it.

@southsider2k5 paid to watch the game when it was free on the CHSN channel OTA?

Edited April 3, 20251 yr by WhiteSox2023

8 hours ago, tray said:

Fvk Ishbia. Some treat him like some sort of potential savior of the franchise . Oh sure, he is going to do you as a fan some sort of favor by casting aside personal gain and private equity principles to gamble money on enormous player contracts.  You think he is some kind of gaddamn fool?

How did his probing for a majority ownership stake work out for Minnesota fans? In reality this guy is just looking for another deal to make himself wealthier. As Americans, we should all know by now that immense greed is a disease that spreads quickly among the billionaire class.

You have already seen how terrible the team is under Reinsdorf for numerous years and would prefer to continue his awful regime of ownership rather than see what a new owner with more money could potentially do?

“The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.”

Also, Ishbia somehow screwed over Twins fans by showing interest in the team but not actually purchasing them?  Huh?  That’s ridiculous.  It isn’t all that rare that someone is interested in purchasing a team and a potential sale falls through.

And I absolutely love your very last sentence and the fact that you apparently won’t attribute it to Reinsdorf as well…

“As Americans, we should all know by now that immense greed is a disease that spreads quickly among the billionaire class.“

Also, as a counterpoint to this point — I’m sure Dodgers fans are hating their billionaire ownership group right now in Guggenheim Baseball Management and Mark Walter.  A World Series last year, the highest payroll in baseball, and an 8-0 start this season.  Damn those greedy billionaires!!!

Edited April 3, 20251 yr by WhiteSox2023

12 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said:

You have already seen how terrible the team is under Reinsdorf for numerous years and would prefer to continue his awful regime of ownership rather than see what a new owner with more money could potentially do?

“The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.”

Or somehow believed, along with with JR, that Chris Getz was the highly-qualified person in the world to lead this second rebuild...and that John Schiffren was the very best play-by-play announcer they could possibly come up with.

Edited April 3, 20251 yr by caulfield12

1 hour ago, tray said:

Fvk Ishbia. Some treat him like some sort of potential savior of the franchise . Oh sure, he is going to do you as a fan some sort of favor by casting aside personal gain and private equity principles to gamble money on enormous player contracts.  You think he is some kind of gaddamn fool?

How did his probing for a majority ownership stake work out for Minnesota fans? In reality this guy  is just looking for another deal to make himself wealthier.  As Americans, we should all know by now that immense greed is a disease that spreads quickly among the billionaire class. You know a lot of these guys by name.

You're not wrong but anything is better than JR.

Tiny crowd. Did the game start late? Delayed? I see our bats were quiet. 2-4 not a bad homestand considering the roster. Should be interesting to see if we have a bad roadtrip.

6 hours ago, WhiteSox2023 said:

I can’t believe I’m watching Jankowski and Taylor batting back-to-back.

There’s no way Venable drew up this lineup without laughing crying to himself.

Jankowski seems like a better name for a hockey player. Jankowski ... a shot and a goal!

11 hours ago, caulfield12 said:

Sometime in early May...plus we will be freezing to death in Detroit and Cleveland soon enough.

May 15 is the date, 171 days before end of season, Oct 2.

18 minutes ago, 46DidIt said:

May 15 is the date, 171 days before end of season, Oct 2.

April 14 is 171 days before October 2. Seems like a great day to make the move, with the Sox having an off day that day before a home series against the A's.

Of course, making a move exactly on that date could look shady.