May 13, 2025May 13 14 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said: How does losing intentionally work in the MLB. What edge do you gain for setting records of bad. There have been many rebuilds in sports history. None as bad as the White Sox, in baseball. Stop pretending what's happening is normal. The Process with Sam Hinkie and the 76ers is about the closest you can get...
May 13, 2025May 13 54 minutes ago, ptatc said: You are correct the record is what it is. The rest of it, you can think what you want to think. But if you cant see they are tanking and rebuilding, we'll its one point of view. Tanking? With the new draft system? More genius moves I guess. Some fans are too zoomed out, no offense but you're way too zoomed in. The fair POV is not that they are tanking and rebuilding it's that they just freaking suck at their jobs. An endless rebuild isn't a rebuild it's just bad baseball. We're still a legit 20 war on the position player side from even being an average team. That's pretty disheartening.
May 13, 2025May 13 33 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said: How does losing intentionally work in the MLB. What edge do you gain for setting records of bad. There have been many rebuilds in sports history. None as bad as the White Sox, in baseball. Stop pretending what's happening is normal. True. They've taken it to another level. But I also think that no organization was as far behind in facilities, technology and analytics as the Sox were. They've spent a good amount of resources on upgrading these. JR has his budget and they've worked within it. Whether it works or not who knows but that's what they are doing. To get all up in arms and offended that they have bad players on the MLB level is just ignoring the fact that they are tanking and rebuilding.
May 13, 2025May 13 20 minutes ago, chitownsportsfan said: Tanking? With the new draft system? More genius moves I guess. Some fans are too zoomed out, no offense but you're way too zoomed in. The fair POV is not that they are tanking and rebuilding it's that they just freaking suck at their jobs. An endless rebuild isn't a rebuild it's just bad baseball. We're still a legit 20 war on the position player side from even being an average team. That's pretty disheartening. I guess we'll see if it works. That will be the end game.
May 13, 2025May 13 50 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said: How does losing intentionally work in the MLB. What edge do you gain for setting records of bad. There have been many rebuilds in sports history. None as bad as the White Sox, in baseball. Stop pretending what's happening is normal. I swear. Living in the era of if you repeat it often enough it becomes reality is surreal.
May 13, 2025May 13 9 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: I swear. Living in the era of if you repeat it often enough it becomes reality is surreal. I agree. Some themes are constantly repeated.
May 13, 2025May 13 38 minutes ago, chitownsportsfan said: Tanking? With the new draft system? More genius moves I guess. Some fans are too zoomed out, no offense but you're way too zoomed in. The fair POV is not that they are tanking and rebuilding it's that they just freaking suck at their jobs. An endless rebuild isn't a rebuild it's just bad baseball. We're still a legit 20 war on the position player side from even being an average team. That's pretty disheartening. Exactly. Besides the reduced advantage to tanking, there’s no way the owner wants a repeat of last year after issuing this letter to Sox fans… https://www.mlb.com/amp/press-release/press-release-chicago-white-sox-chairman-jerry-reinsdorf-s-letter-to-fans.html
May 13, 2025May 13 8 hours ago, ptatc said: True. They've taken it to another level. But I also think that no organization was as far behind in facilities, technology and analytics as the Sox were. They've spent a good amount of resources on upgrading these. JR has his budget and they've worked within it. Whether it works or not who knows but that's what they are doing. To get all up in arms and offended that they have bad players on the MLB level is just ignoring the fact that they are tanking and rebuilding. Sox facilities have been fine. They've lacked some tech and a consistent structure and expectations throughout the org. I've said it before but you could have hired consultants for a couple months to tell you those things. I also am not buying the analytics push. They haven't exactly expanded that team or it's given power in the org. They also haven't hired anyone of prominence in the field.
May 14, 2025May 14 It never seemed clear how Workman would be able to stick for too terribly long once the team got healthy. Of course, there's no guarantee the team ever would/will get healthy enough to push out the last marginal guy (hello Amaya and Palacios). Sox grabbed the kid to take a look and see what happened. He proved untrustworthy in the field and the infielders all got healthy. Goodbye to Mr. Workman, hope all works out.
May 14, 2025May 14 On 5/12/2025 at 10:03 PM, ptatc said: True. They've taken it to another level. But I also think that no organization was as far behind in facilities, technology and analytics as the Sox were. They've spent a good amount of resources on upgrading these. JR has his budget and they've worked within it. Whether it works or not who knows but that's what they are doing. To get all up in arms and offended that they have bad players on the MLB level is just ignoring the fact that they are tanking and rebuilding. But it's not though. The few who dont want to accept that the White Sox are rebuilding are far outnumbered by posters who do acknowledge the rebuild but also think Getz & Co are really bad at their jobs. Especially the talent evaluation and acquistion part. Conflating that with a refusal to accept or acknowledge the rebuild, or to simply dismiss Getz's failures at roster building both for now and for the future as normal rebuilding is both specious and disingenuous.
May 14, 2025May 14 1 hour ago, Tnetennba said: But it's not though. The few who dont want to accept that the White Sox are rebuilding are far outnumbered by posters who do acknowledge the rebuild but also think Getz & Co are really bad at their jobs. Especially the talent evaluation and acquistion part. Conflating that with a refusal to accept or acknowledge the rebuild, or to simply dismiss Getz's failures at roster building both for now and for the future as normal rebuilding is both specious and disingenuous.
May 14, 2025May 14 4 hours ago, Tnetennba said: But it's not though. The few who dont want to accept that the White Sox are rebuilding are far outnumbered by posters who do acknowledge the rebuild but also think Getz & Co are really bad at their jobs. Especially the talent evaluation and acquistion part. Conflating that with a refusal to accept or acknowledge the rebuild, or to simply dismiss Getz's failures at roster building both for now and for the future as normal rebuilding is both specious and disingenuous. And it's equally specious and dangerous to ignore his successes. For every Cease trade there is a Crochet trade....(not to mention that Crochet would be wallowing in the pen without Getz because that's why everybody's favorite GM drafted him in the first place). There is the Fedde trade, but then there is no Fedde in the first place without Getz. There is DeLoach but there is also a 2nd round comp pick that is ignored. We have Christian Mena but also Shane Smith. Yes, the strange veterans he puts on this roster are troubling....but we have young rotation. We don't know if he'll succeed. But the successes have been ignored to a far greater extent than the failures. Edited May 14, 2025May 14 by GreenSox
May 15, 2025May 15 1 hour ago, GreenSox said: And it's equally specious and dangerous to ignore his successes. For every Cease trade there is a Crochet trade....(not to mention that Crochet would be wallowing in the pen without Getz because that's why everybody's favorite GM drafted him in the first place). There is the Fedde trade, but then there is no Fedde in the first place without Getz. There is DeLoach but there is also a 2nd round comp pick that is ignored. We have Christian Mena but also Shane Smith. Yes, the strange veterans he puts on this roster are troubling....but we have young rotation. We don't know if he'll succeed. But the successes have been ignored to a far greater extent than the failures. Competitive Balance B Round (#68): Blake Larson, LHP, IMG Academy Class: TCU Commit Pick Value: $1.2M Maybe that pick back from the Mariners is cursed, lol...as nearly everyone involved in that trade on both sides has disappointed in some way. And I'm sure Workman is happy to go back to one of the top 5 teams in baseball, rather than the 2nd worst. The funny thing is that he might get more opportunities to play there than with the White Sox.
May 15, 2025May 15 1 hour ago, GreenSox said: And it's equally specious and dangerous to ignore his successes. For every Cease trade there is a Crochet trade....(not to mention that Crochet would be wallowing in the pen without Getz because that's why everybody's favorite GM drafted him in the first place). There is the Fedde trade, but then there is no Fedde in the first place without Getz. There is DeLoach but there is also a 2nd round comp pick that is ignored. We have Christian Mena but also Shane Smith. Yes, the strange veterans he puts on this roster are troubling....but we have young rotation. We don't know if he'll succeed. But the successes have been ignored to a far greater extent than the failures. If they could switch places TODAY, is there anyone on this board that would RATHER have Chris Getz than Mike Elias of the Orioles??? The White Sox are DEFINITELY more competitive this season, but a lot of that can be chalked up to historic bad luck last season as well as a historically bad manager that NOBODY liked. I mean...he's better than whoever's running the show in Colorado, I guess, and maybe in Miami, but it's really hard to judge anything this early with either the Marlins OR the White Sox. The proof will obviously be in 2026-27-28.
May 15, 2025May 15 45 minutes ago, caulfield12 said: And I'm sure Workman is happy to go back to one of the top 5 teams in baseball, rather than the 2nd worst. Could just be me, but I would think a player would be happier making much more money in the bigs and accruing service time while holding down a spot on an up-and-coming team. I don't think baseball players have the same attitudes as keyboard warriors.
May 15, 2025May 15 18 minutes ago, WestEddy said: Could just be me, but I would think a player would be happier making much more money in the bigs and accruing service time while holding down a spot on an up-and-coming team. I don't think baseball players have the same attitudes as keyboard warriors. I present you: Caulfield
May 15, 2025May 15 41 minutes ago, WestEddy said: Could just be me, but I would think a player would be happier making much more money in the bigs and accruing service time while holding down a spot on an up-and-coming team. I don't think baseball players have the same attitudes as keyboard warriors. But an up and coming team didn't have him. It was the White Sox.
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