ChiSox59 Posted May 2 Share Posted May 2 9 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: I really hope the guy succeeds. As of right now that deal is a nuclear falllout of a disaster unless Vargas turns out to be a useable player. It would be nice to get at least a guy who you can roster without needing to keep adding old timey utility players to play instead. If this thing is ever going to happen, we need to start winning in the minutia of these kinds of deals, because we literally have one major asset left to cash in, and if that is only if Robert starts to act like Luis Robert. That deal was definitely a player short with Kopech being involved. But it's obvious no one was going to give up a ton for Erick Fedde, a back end rotation guy having a really nice first half. Vargas was clearly the most interesting offensive piece they were offered in return. If Vargas can even be a just a meh starter putting up 6-8 WAR over his Sox tenure, the deal was a win for the Sox. Still a very big if. But you also have two very decent premium position prospects as well, which we all know the Sox need in spades. "Fallout disaster" seems to be reach. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted May 2 Share Posted May 2 (edited) 20 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: I really hope the guy succeeds. As of right now that deal is a nuclear falllout of a disaster unless Vargas turns out to be a useable player. It would be nice to get at least a guy who you can roster without needing to keep adding old timey utility players to play instead. If this thing is ever going to happen, we need to start winning in the minutia of these kinds of deals, because we literally have one major asset left to cash in, and if that is only if Robert starts to act like Luis Robert. As with with declaring doom for Vargas, i wouldn't declare that trade a unclear fallout yet. Check put Perez in minors. Not saying he is definitely going to a star just like Vargas but I wouldn't write it off yet. We haven't even seen albertus yet. Edited May 2 by ptatc 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harold's Leg Lift Posted May 2 Share Posted May 2 3 hours ago, Snopek said: Nice to see Vargas keep hitting despite being a guaranteed bust and out of baseball in two years or whatever premature nonsense was being spewed here. Maybe just maybe he's not a disgrace to baseball and his dog shouldn't be shot. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted May 2 Share Posted May 2 26 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said: No, I’m not. I’m just not buying it. I hope to be wrong though. Cool you made your point why keep arguing it ? Let people have a little hope and be optimistic.They don't need you to keeping hounding every poster who thinks it's encouraging. 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted May 2 Share Posted May 2 15 minutes ago, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said: Cool you made your point why keep arguing it ? Let people have a little hope and be optimistic.They don't need you to keeping hounding every poster who thinks it's encouraging. None shall pass without the trumpet of doom. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Autumn Dreamin Posted May 2 Share Posted May 2 Cubs still need a 3B? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chitownsportsfan Posted May 2 Author Share Posted May 2 Crazy stat: two teams have 5 wins of 8+ runs: cubs and sox. but how? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Autumn Dreamin Posted May 2 Share Posted May 2 12 minutes ago, chitownsportsfan said: Crazy stat: two teams have 5 wins of 8+ runs: cubs and sox. but how? Crosstown World Series 2026 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wegner Posted May 2 Share Posted May 2 44 minutes ago, Harold's Leg Lift said: Maybe just maybe he's not a disgrace to baseball and his dog shouldn't be shot. You've obviously never met his dog. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snopek Posted May 2 Share Posted May 2 2 hours ago, southsider2k5 said: I mean can we get a few weeks of decency before we start taking victory laps? Uh… 3 hours ago, Snopek said: Don’t get me wrong, he could still easily end up being a bust and out of baseball in a few years. The victoriest of all laps! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chitownsportsfan Posted May 2 Author Share Posted May 2 23 minutes ago, wegner said: You've obviously never met his dog. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenSox Posted May 2 Share Posted May 2 1 hour ago, southsider2k5 said: I really hope the guy succeeds. As of right now that deal is a nuclear falllout of a disaster unless Vargas turns out to be a useable player. It was never that thought Fedde is a solid pitcher signed for 1.5 seasons; Kopech had a higher ceiling, but as a reliever, also for 1,5 more seasons. At that time, the trade looked like a waste: but the cost was opportunity cost, and that's not a nuclear fallout. It was nowhere near the level of arrogance of, say, an org with a thin farm trading 4 young players to rent Jeff Samardzija for a season. At this point, further trades should be or guys in the lower minors with upside. I'd break my vows of no Dodgers/pass-along prospects if the Sox could get for Robert the 2 guys the Cubs traded the Dodgers for Bush. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Autumn Dreamin Posted May 2 Share Posted May 2 Burke appreciates his defense. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted May 2 Share Posted May 2 https://www.fangraphs.com/leaders/major-league?pos=all&stats=bat&lg=all&type=8&season=2025&team=4&qual=30 Maton Palacios Amaya Vaughn only negative fWAR guys remaining Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted May 2 Share Posted May 2 36 minutes ago, GreenSox said: It was never that thought Fedde is a solid pitcher signed for 1.5 seasons; Kopech had a higher ceiling, but as a reliever, also for 1,5 more seasons. At that time, the trade looked like a waste: but the cost was opportunity cost, and that's not a nuclear fallout. It was nowhere near the level of arrogance of, say, an org with a thin farm trading 4 young players to rent Jeff Samardzija for a season. At this point, further trades should be or guys in the lower minors with upside. I'd break my vows of no Dodgers/pass-along prospects if the Sox could get for Robert the 2 guys the Cubs traded the Dodgers for Bush. Semien won an MVP and Bassitt still is Top Fifteen MLB pitching fWAR all these year later. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestEddy Posted May 2 Share Posted May 2 2 hours ago, Tnetennba said: Dodgers burned through his options because he was continually bad after getting multiple opportunities. Let's not pretend that he hasn't gotten ample opportunity. Developement isn't linear so of course he could sustain this, but his track record suggests otherwise. Actually, his track record suggests that he can get better over time. You have a player who has gone into the offseason, and conditioned himself in accordance with team recommendations. He's worked on his fielding, and then when he started in a slump, made a setup change, and followed it through to payoff. Oh, and no "injuries". Everybody screams about how Yoan didn't want to play baseball, but you have a guy who seems to want to play the game, and is doing everything possible to succeed and stay on the field. No, Vargas isn't going to be a HOFer. He's not going to be promoted from AAA and dominate. But he does look like a guy, like another famous, recent 1B on the Sox, who had a couple of false starts before he got to the Sox and put it all together. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaleAleSox Posted May 2 Share Posted May 2 13 minutes ago, WestEddy said: Actually, his track record suggests that he can get better over time. You have a player who has gone into the offseason, and conditioned himself in accordance with team recommendations. He's worked on his fielding, and then when he started in a slump, made a setup change, and followed it through to payoff. Oh, and no "injuries". Everybody screams about how Yoan didn't want to play baseball, but you have a guy who seems to want to play the game, and is doing everything possible to succeed and stay on the field. No, Vargas isn't going to be a HOFer. He's not going to be promoted from AAA and dominate. But he does look like a guy, like another famous, recent 1B on the Sox, who had a couple of false starts before he got to the Sox and put it all together. Hell yeah you are talking about Ross Gload. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted May 2 Share Posted May 2 9 minutes ago, PaleAleSox said: Hell yeah you are talking about Ross Gload. Konerko... why not? Delmonico? Palka? More of a RFer...well sorta. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted May 2 Share Posted May 2 Reinsdorf is the only one we want "injured/incapacitated" enough that he is forced to relinquish control to Ishbia, so that this "ship" can finally turn the corner. Not rooting for, exactly, but... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted May 2 Share Posted May 2 8 minutes ago, WestEddy said: Dude does a happy dance over every injury so he can rejoice at how righteous he is to blame JR for injuries and call it karma. Robert staying healthy is the biggest thing for this organization now... except for maybe the Big 3 pitchers and Braden/Teel. If he nets a very nice return, Shane Smith and those acquired prospects help cancel out Colson's fall off a cliff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestEddy Posted May 2 Share Posted May 2 9 minutes ago, caulfield12 said: Robert staying healthy is the biggest thing for this organization now... except for maybe the Big 3 pitchers and Braden/Teel. If he nets a very nice return, Shane Smith and those acquired prospects help cancel out Colson's fall off a cliff. Colson can cancel his own fall by listening to the Sox' coaches, and telling his agency coaches to stop meddling. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted May 2 Share Posted May 2 7 minutes ago, WestEddy said: Colson can cancel his own fall by listening to the Sox' coaches, and telling his agency coaches to stop meddling. True stars would never in million years blame anyone but themselves. Beckham Konerko and Quentin expressed this idea quite consistently, about being their own worst enemies mentally/psychologically. Almost like battling personal demons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestEddy Posted May 2 Share Posted May 2 3 hours ago, WhiteSox2023 said: Vargas is at 713 career MLB plate appearances. That is over a year of PA’s. His career line is currently: .183 / .280 / .316 / .596 I hope to see you back here in a couple months and we can reassess. It's weird how, when a player does well 2 years ago, it's not applicable, but when they do bad 2 years ago, it's recent, and must be spoken for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted May 2 Share Posted May 2 Prediction, and not even bold… All these posters claiming Vargas has figured it, won’t be around when he’s putting up a sub .600 OPS in a few months. This s%*# is embarrassing. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted May 2 Share Posted May 2 11 minutes ago, WestEddy said: It's weird how, when a player does well 2 years ago, it's not applicable, but when they do bad 2 years ago, it's recent, and must be spoken for. Dude, Getz… PROVE ME FUCKING WRONG!!! P.S. — He is failing me so far… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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