southsider2k5 Posted May 13 Share Posted May 13 1 hour ago, Lyle Moooton said: Don’t confuse cynicism for intelligence. Don't confuse blind optimism for intelligence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted May 13 Share Posted May 13 1 hour ago, Lyle Moooton said: Don’t confuse cynicism for intelligence. Don't confuse realism for cynicism. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Chappas Posted May 13 Share Posted May 13 Wait until next year The baseball cry of the failing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snopek Posted May 13 Share Posted May 13 How about don’t let someone else’s blind optimism bother you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vilehoopster Posted May 13 Share Posted May 13 20 minutes ago, Harry Chappas said: Wait until next year The baseball cry of the failing. Or the cry of people who want to believe that things can and will get better so they can continue to love the team that they have loved for years. You have to hold on to hope or why watch, or post on this board? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleepy Harold Posted May 13 Share Posted May 13 17 hours ago, Kyyle23 said: The only one I would offer here, and it should be something this entire forum can appreciate: don’t count your chickens before they hatch Don't eat cheese before noon. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted May 13 Share Posted May 13 24 minutes ago, vilehoopster said: Or the cry of people who want to believe that things can and will get better so they can continue to love the team that they have loved for years. You have to hold on to hope or why watch, or post on this board? If you need to believe they are good to love them, that is a whole different line. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted May 13 Share Posted May 13 53 minutes ago, Sleepy Harold said: Don't eat cheese before noon. Also good advice albeit for far different reasons 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falstaff Posted May 13 Share Posted May 13 2025 we got a Pope, 2026 we add some bats, it's game on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted May 13 Share Posted May 13 16 minutes ago, Falstaff said: 2025 we got a Pope, 2026 we add some bats, it's game on. This time……this time I am absolutely sure of it……this time Lucy will hold the ball in place 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted May 13 Share Posted May 13 For real though, the players cited don't even sniff the hype of the previous rebuild, so saying that there's an old saying, it's gonna elicit backlash. The pitchers need to out perform Gio-Cease-Lynn-Rodon-ReyLo-Hendriks-Kopech(bullpen)-Crochet(bullpen) Braden needs to outperform Robert when he was at his peak. I guess Sammy Zavala can still try. Vargas has to prove he can be a league average hitter before he can beat out 2019 or 2021 Moncada. Elko has to top Abreu. Baldwin has to show he's at least Leury level. Either catcher has to top 2020-2021 Grandal. I think Quero or Teel (who I very, very much wanted in the draft) can do this, but still, wait and see. TA was a hitting champ and now we're waiting on ... Bonemer? Vaughn was actually competent for a few seasons before backsliding hard. Meidroth has a low bar to clear, since second was a super massive black hole. Rookie Eloy was an absolute masher. Burger's rise was the feel good story. I forgot Thorpe and Iriarte in my list of "recent guys who had hype and we've now forgotten about" because they're so uninspiring and just now deal with injuries. I'd love for it to happen. The current GM was part of the reason the prior rebuild failed, so now suddenly he's gonna steer this one to nirvana? The old saying is fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted May 13 Share Posted May 13 20 minutes ago, Quin said: For real though, the players cited don't even sniff the hype of the previous rebuild, so saying that there's an old saying, it's gonna elicit backlash. The pitchers need to out perform Gio-Cease-Lynn-Rodon-ReyLo-Hendriks-Kopech(bullpen)-Crochet(bullpen) Braden needs to outperform Robert when he was at his peak. I guess Sammy Zavala can still try. Vargas has to prove he can be a league average hitter before he can beat out 2019 or 2021 Moncada. Elko has to top Abreu. Baldwin has to show he's at least Leury level. Either catcher has to top 2020-2021 Grandal. I think Quero or Teel (who I very, very much wanted in the draft) TA was a hitting champ and now we're waiting on ... Bonemer? Vaughn was actually competent for a few seasons before backsliding hard. Meidroth has a low bar to clear, since second was a super massive black hole. Rookie Eloy was an absolute masher. Burger's rise was the feel good story. I forgot Thorpe and Iriarte in my list of "recent guys who had hype and we've now forgotten about" because they're so uninspiring and just now deal with injuries. I'd love for it to happen. The current GM was part of the reason the prior rebuild failed, so now suddenly he's gonna steer this one to nirvana? The old saying is fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. Yes this exactly. And some vague "they have a plan" isn't it. Everyone has a plan until they get hit in the mouth. Or so the saying goes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted May 13 Share Posted May 13 10 minutes ago, Quin said: For real though, the players cited don't even sniff the hype of the previous rebuild, so saying that there's an old saying, it's gonna elicit backlash. The pitchers need to out perform Gio-Cease-Lynn-Rodon-ReyLo-Hendriks-Kopech(bullpen)-Crochet(bullpen) Braden needs to outperform Robert when he was at his peak. I guess Sammy Zavala can still try. Vargas has to prove he can be a league average hitter before he can beat out 2019 or 2021 Moncada. Elko has to top Abreu. Baldwin has to show he's at least Leury level. Either catcher has to top 2020-2021 Grandal. I think Quero or Reel (who I very, very much wanted in the draft) TA was a hitting champ and now we're waiting on ... Bonemer? Vaughn was actually competent for a few seasons before backsliding hard. Meidroth has a low bar to clear, since second was a super massive black hole. Rookie Eloy was an absolute masher. Burger's rise was the feel good story. I forgot Thorpe and Iriarte in my list of "recent guys who had hype and we've now forgotten about" because they're so uninspiring and just now deal with injuries. I'd love for it to happen. The current GM was part of the reason the prior rebuild failed, so now suddenly he's gonna steer this one to nirvana? The old saying is fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. Teel has to be one of the hitting Big 3 with Braden and Bonemer. Colson has already eliminated himself in all likelihood. Was just starting to consider his NIL numbers for Indiana hoops or football. Quero Meidroth Baldwin Vargas Sosa all seem to be heading towards complementary and not star status. We'll just have to wait and see if Quero and Meidroth can pick up their XB numbers. Shane Smith has basically been swapped out for Colson...if we want to spin things the most positively. And Wolkow/Zavala both currently have a LONG ways to go....same with Ramos. Colas is almost completely a lost cause...to go along with Fletcher/Julks/DeLoach, who were all pretty much long shots in the first place. Fwiw Grandal was very solid for two years and then almost completely collapsed...that can't happen with both catchers, can it? As we have said for months now...looks like it will come down to Birmingham's pitchers, and Oppor, maybe T.McDougal makes it as a reliever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WBWSF Posted May 13 Author Share Posted May 13 13 hours ago, nrockway said: "several players busted before, and so every future player will also be a bust" would be kind of a silly way to abstract on the historical evidence though. i don't understand the negativity in this thread. what's the point in being pessimistic about baseball, I don't get it. if it's not enjoyable, you don't have to follow the team. there are plenty of other hobbies. there are definitely some good players to look forward to though. and if they don't turn out to be good, so what, life goes on. Exactly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted May 13 Share Posted May 13 11 minutes ago, WBWSF said: Exactly. 11 minutes ago, WBWSF said: Exactly. This sounds what Guardians fans must now say to each other after Rebuild #4-5 going back to their great 1990s teams with all those consecutive sellouts at Jacobs/Progressive Field. At least they've had a lot more postseason success than the White Sox...albeit no WS title recently. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted May 13 Share Posted May 13 13 minutes ago, WBWSF said: Exactly. You don’t understand because you refuse to see or acknowledge this team for the sad state it is in. Everyone being “negative” is just being real 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tannerfan Posted May 13 Share Posted May 13 While I agree that the current prospects list is not as exciting as the last one, I'm hopeful because Getz has addressed many of the front office issues ignored by Williams and Hahn. It seems he understood that the White Sox as an organization was way behind the curve and addressed those things first. I'm actually not surprised that attendance is a little better because I think this team is easier to like and root for than last years. I find myself watching more games this year for that reason and I'd definetly attend some games if I lived in Chicago. I'm thinking of going to Citi-Field to see them play the Mets at the end of May. Probably a bad idea, but what the hell! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Posted May 13 Share Posted May 13 14 hours ago, nrockway said: "several players busted before, and so every future player will also be a bust" would be kind of a silly way to abstract on the historical evidence though. i don't understand the negativity in this thread. what's the point in being pessimistic about baseball, I don't get it. if it's not enjoyable, you don't have to follow the team. there are plenty of other hobbies. there are definitely some good players to look forward to though. and if they don't turn out to be good, so what, life goes on. 1. Say a business was trying to find 5 new employees to add to their company. They hired people, and they didn't work out. The training/onboarding was insufficient, they didn't know the right questions to ask in the interviews, the business simply didn't know how to identify talent. So they fire those people. They hire another 5 people. Same thing happens. At what point do you start to wonder if it's not about the people they are hiring, but the business might simply not really know what they're doing? 2. I don't really follow the team. I'd have to look up what their record is right now, I honestly would be guessing if you asked me who they last played, and have no idea who is on the schedule today for the Sox. I follow what is happening from a larger scale with the White Sox, because I've been a fan my entire life, but I used to watch probably 85% of games in a season, and attend between 15-20 games a year. I haven't been to a game in 4 years. So I've absolutely replaced White Sox baseball with other hobbies. However, said this before and I'll say it again. Jerry Reinsdorf isn't the White Sox, and he isn't why I root for the team. I'll still be a fan of the White Sox long after he's dead, and ideally my favorite baseball team finally gets an owner that has a marginal interest in fielding a competitive team. Until that time, the White Sox will receive very little attention from me, and judging by attendance and viewership the last 2+ years, I'm far from alone. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestEddy Posted May 13 Share Posted May 13 14 hours ago, caulfield12 said: There's also this whole "underdog" thing going on with guys like Elko, Shane Smith, Vasil, Booser, Palacios, Amaya, Maton, they're players that almost everyone can identify with, having been knocked down or knocked back so many times in life, they're hard NOT to root for in many ways. I thought all the big brains here have declared that fans will not buy tickets to watch any players short of a 9 figure signing. They even laugh at the notion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestEddy Posted May 13 Share Posted May 13 7 minutes ago, Tony said: At what point do you start to wonder if it's not about the people they are hiring, but the business might simply not really know what they're doing? You mean, like, the chairs and the rolodex are forcing bad decisions? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted May 13 Share Posted May 13 10 minutes ago, WestEddy said: You mean, like, the chairs and the rolodex are forcing bad decisions? Yes, that is obviously exactly what he means. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted May 13 Share Posted May 13 we definitely need a surprise guy offensively which just...have we had an offensive prospect for 25 years that significantly outperformed their pedigree? Not talking about in the sense of Adam Engel being a major leaguer is a huge accomplishment, but like how a 3rd round pick like Michael Harris can zoom up from the 3rd round, Steven Kwan in the 5th, or a Cody Bellinger in the 4th. 3 different teams. It happens to most teams, it has not happened to the white sox. Maybe someone can come up with someone i missed, but all of our offensive talent for 2 decades have been players that we had to trade for after proving themselves or were very established. no bringing up semien. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted May 13 Share Posted May 13 15 minutes ago, bmags said: we definitely need a surprise guy offensively which just...have we had an offensive prospect for 25 years that significantly outperformed their pedigree? Not talking about in the sense of Adam Engel being a major leaguer is a huge accomplishment, but like how a 3rd round pick like Michael Harris can zoom up from the 3rd round, Steven Kwan in the 5th, or a Cody Bellinger in the 4th. 3 different teams. It happens to most teams, it has not happened to the white sox. Maybe someone can come up with someone i missed, but all of our offensive talent for 2 decades have been players that we had to trade for after proving themselves or were very established. no bringing up semien. Chris Young maybe...still feels like Carlos Quentin was the last really youngish hitter power hitter to get really excited about in 2008. But not homegrown. Abreu was a fully formed Intl fa. Avi started out pretty exciting but also acquired externally like Eaton. Alex Call lol? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted May 13 Share Posted May 13 30 minutes ago, bmags said: we definitely need a surprise guy offensively which just...have we had an offensive prospect for 25 years that significantly outperformed their pedigree? Not talking about in the sense of Adam Engel being a major leaguer is a huge accomplishment, but like how a 3rd round pick like Michael Harris can zoom up from the 3rd round, Steven Kwan in the 5th, or a Cody Bellinger in the 4th. 3 different teams. It happens to most teams, it has not happened to the white sox. Maybe someone can come up with someone i missed, but all of our offensive talent for 2 decades have been players that we had to trade for after proving themselves or were very established. no bringing up semien. This is one of those ways by evidence that I can be convinced that things might be changing around these parts. So far we have seen none of it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted May 13 Share Posted May 13 17 minutes ago, caulfield12 said: Chris Young maybe...still feels like Carlos Quentin was the last really youngish hitter power hitter to get really excited about in 2008. But not homegrown. Abreu was a fully formed Intl fa. Avi started out pretty exciting but also acquired externally like Eaton. Alex Call lol? I knew this post would come, but I expected more random and names. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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