3 minutes ago, tray said:

Please don't try to make these issues personal and direct your ire toward me. At least understand that this is not all about you or me.

Lies? The facts, as stated are that Ishbia does not own a majority interest in the White Sox and even if/when he would, the White Sox do not own Rate Field or the parking lots. Not sure why Ishbia would now claim that HE has been approached by developers. It seems like a self-serving statement without any sources to back him up or any way to contradict him - very trumpian as we have come to know. Yea, we have a deal...

Did you just tell someone to NOT MAKE THIS PERSONAL? You have been on here literally making up whatever self-serving garbage you want about Ishbia, and you have the nerve to talk about ANYONE making self-serving statements? You are right that it is not all about you, and it would be nice if you could bring that into your own posts, but of course you will not, and will be back to fiction writing.

The rank hatred for Reinsdorf seems to be based on the perception, over time, that JR is greedy. For me, I don't buy into the accusations of greed (especially because it could be an antisemitic trope) as much as his aloofness, inattentiveness, and at times bad judgment. There are countless examples of all of those negative traits.

I also do not buy into any accusation that Reinsdorf has a flawed character. I do not know the man, but any portrayal of him as a wicked self-serving greedy SOB is contradicted by his philanthropy and his love for the White Sox.

At times Jerry has let loyalty impact his judgment. Examples of that are too many to recount but his loyalty to Hahn and KW and to LaRussa were prime examples - things that really clouded his judgment and caused a lot of damage.

Some of my best friends have a profound distaste and dislike of Reinsdorf so I am familiar with that. Now there appears to be a belief by some that anyone will be a better Chairman and steward of the White Sox. A lot of those opinions are based on projection of one more billionaire that none of us really know.

My own opinion of Ishbia is based on what I believe are some short-sighted moves that reek of self-interest and personal profiteering. One example is pursuing a land swap for ISFA property for land he doesn't even own yet - a move that imposes on residents and businesses adjacent to the historic areas of Comiskey Park and Armour Park. Another is trying to foist an artistic rendering of "The Railyards" with numerous and obvious errors which appear to be driven by a condensed, self-imposed timetable, or worse.

This is similar to and in some ways worse than what Einhorn Reinsdorf and Savarise did with the new Comiskey Park concept. The Railyards AI rendering is hot garbage. plain and simple.

Edited 13 hours ago13 hr by tray

This is a pretty detailed article about the Crain's discussion today from Block Club Chicago. Several interesting items that weren't mentioned in the Crain's article and it's worth a read even if you read the Crain's piece IMO. I found the following paragraph interesting. The extended Riverwalk proposal isn't new, but I hadn't heard about a High Line-like path to Lake Michigan.

"His ideas include extending the Chicago Riverwalk south to Ping Tom Park in Chinatown and creating an elevated walking and biking trail inspired by New York’s High Line, connecting Ping Tom Park to Lake Michigan, although he did not provide specifics. He also wants a transit stop serving The Railyards and said Northwestern Medicine is interested in building there."

Block Club Chicago

Reinsdorf Will Make Final Call On White Sox Move, Not Me,...

Justin Ishbia said any decision on the team's future is up to team chairman Jerry Reinsdorf and said Amtrak had to answer to the backlash over its plans to open a railyard near the current stadium.

Edited 12 hours ago12 hr by 77 Hitmen

LOL at Ishbia.

Please don't try to make these issues personal and direct your ire toward me. At least understand that this is not all about you or me.

31 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said:

Did you just tell someone to NOT MAKE THIS PERSONAL? You have been on here literally making up whatever self-serving garbage you want about Ishbia, and you have the nerve to talk about ANYONE making self-serving statements? You are right that it is not all about you, and it would be nice if you could bring that into your own posts, but of course you will not, and will be back to fiction writing.

That had to be the most ironic post of the year at Soxtalk. The amount of projection being made there is blinding.

Edited 13 hours ago13 hr by 77 Hitmen

6 hours ago, Mouthsider said:

Wow. I was wondering how they’d work around the change in elevation at the Hallmark site. Credit where credit’s due, that looks beautiful.

It sounds pretty impressive. Interesting that they're proposing a "lightweight fabric canopy" to provide shade to 65% of the seats. This could end up being a gem of a ballpark for the Royals.

1 hour ago, 77 Hitmen said:

That had to be the most ironic post of the year at Soxtalk. The amount of projection being made there is blinding.

That one takes the cake, though I’m a fan of this one:

6 hours ago, tray said:

I am sorry -not sorry to clarify erroneous and biased information from you and 77 sunset strip.

Ah yes, the erroneous and biased information that we’re spreading by quoting Crain’s articles.

8 hours ago, 77 Hitmen said:

That had to be the most ironic post of the year at Soxtalk. The amount of projection being made there is blinding.

Keep doing what you're doing. You guys are providing great information here, not made up hyperbolic hysteria.

8 hours ago, 77 Hitmen said:

This is a pretty detailed article about the Crain's discussion today from Block Club Chicago. Several interesting items that weren't mentioned in the Crain's article and it's worth a read even if you read the Crain's piece IMO. I found the following paragraph interesting. The extended Riverwalk proposal isn't new, but I hadn't heard about a High Line-like path to Lake Michigan.

"His ideas include extending the Chicago Riverwalk south to Ping Tom Park in Chinatown and creating an elevated walking and biking trail inspired by New York’s High Line, connecting Ping Tom Park to Lake Michigan, although he did not provide specifics. He also wants a transit stop serving The Railyards and said Northwestern Medicine is interested in building there."

Block Club Chicago

Reinsdorf Will Make Final Call On White Sox Move, Not Me,...

Justin Ishbia said any decision on the team's future is up to team chairman Jerry Reinsdorf and said Amtrak had to answer to the backlash over its plans to open a railyard near the current stadium.

The riverwalk is excellent, and would be amazing to expand on. The Highline in NYC is also an incredible part of urban engineering and innovative way to squeeze a park in an area that sells itself in square inches.

12 hours ago, caulfield12 said:

has that been true of Tigers' spending after Ilich Sr. died?

Lakers/Buss younger siblings?

Yankees/Steinbrenner family?

We do know that Justin is much much smarter about investing than Mat.

And much more well diversified.

Less than 10% exposure to UWM/mortgage company

He's going to be his own man...regardless.

Mat & Justin both speak the same way regarding their ownership philosophy.

"I don't own the team, it's the city of Phoenix's team"

https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/s/ePk3DOFcPB

“You’ll never hear me say the word ‘owner’ of the franchise,” Ishbia told The Athletic this week. “I’m the steward of a community asset. This asset, this team, this franchise belongs to the city of Chicago

https://roundtable.io/sports/mlb/white-sox/news/why-justin-ishbia-s-words-matter-and-why-white-sox-fans-are-letting-themselves-believe

Absolutely willing to bet the fan first initiatives carry over from the Suns.

11 hours ago, tray said:

The rank hatred for Reinsdorf seems to be based on the perception, over time, that JR is greedy. For me, I don't buy into the accusations of greed (especially because it could be an antisemitic trope) as much as his aloofness, inattentiveness, and at times bad judgment. There are countless examples of all of those negative traits.

I also do not buy into any accusation that Reinsdorf has a flawed character. I do not know the man, but any portrayal of him as a wicked self-serving greedy SOB is contradicted by his philanthropy and his love for the White Sox.

At times Jerry has let loyalty impact his judgment. Examples of that are too many to recount but his loyalty to Hahn and KW and to LaRussa were prime examples - things that really clouded his judgment and caused a lot of damage.

Some of my best friends have a profound distaste and dislike of Reinsdorf so I am familiar with that. Now there appears to be a belief by some that anyone will be a better Chairman and steward of the White Sox. A lot of those opinions are based on projection of one more billionaire that none of us really know.

My own opinion of Ishbia is based on what I believe are some short-sighted moves that reek of self-interest and personal profiteering. One example is pursuing a land swap for ISFA property for land he doesn't even own yet - a move that imposes on residents and businesses adjacent to the historic areas of Comiskey Park and Armour Park. Another is trying to foist an artistic rendering of "The Railyards" with numerous and obvious errors which appear to be driven by a condensed, self-imposed timetable, or worse.

This is similar to and in some ways worse than what Einhorn Reinsdorf and Savarise did with the new Comiskey Park concept. The Railyards AI rendering is hot garbage. plain and simple.

Right, but YOUR, hatred, profound distaste, and dislike of Ishbia, who you don't know, is based on what now? As you have sat here and called Ishbia greedy and self-serving, while never having met the guy for even a second, and not having the 5 decade long history of his ownership in Chicago to judge him on?

You have to hear your own hypocrisy, don't you?

A couple summaries on Ishbia’s sit down yesterday (no paywalls) for anyone interested.

11 hours ago, 77 Hitmen said:

It sounds pretty impressive. Interesting that they're proposing a "lightweight fabric canopy" to provide shade to 65% of the seats. This could end up being a gem of a ballpark for the Royals.

And it gets so insanely hot there anyway, plus the summer humidity. That's a nice touch.

Surprised people still think tray is serious.

Edited 1 hour ago1 hr by ron883

11 hours ago, 77 Hitmen said:

This is a pretty detailed article about the Crain's discussion today from Block Club Chicago. Several interesting items that weren't mentioned in the Crain's article and it's worth a read even if you read the Crain's piece IMO. I found the following paragraph interesting. The extended Riverwalk proposal isn't new, but I hadn't heard about a High Line-like path to Lake Michigan.

"His ideas include extending the Chicago Riverwalk south to Ping Tom Park in Chinatown and creating an elevated walking and biking trail inspired by New York’s High Line, connecting Ping Tom Park to Lake Michigan, although he did not provide specifics. He also wants a transit stop serving The Railyards and said Northwestern Medicine is interested in building there."

Block Club Chicago

Reinsdorf Will Make Final Call On White Sox Move, Not Me,...

Justin Ishbia said any decision on the team's future is up to team chairman Jerry Reinsdorf and said Amtrak had to answer to the backlash over its plans to open a railyard near the current stadium.

I found this part interesting as well.

If the Sox leave Rate Field, Ishbia said, the future of the roughly 80-acre, state-owned site should be decided through a public conversation. He said developers have shown interest in building residential homes there, if it’s sold. Other potential uses, he floated, could be youth sports, another professional sports stadium or a college training campus. But Ishbia emphasized that neither he nor the White Sox owns the land.

“It’s not a foregone conclusion that the White Sox are moving,” Ishbia said. “That’s Jerry’s decision, period, end of conversation.”

2 hours ago, southsider2k5 said:

The riverwalk is excellent, and would be amazing to expand on. The Highline in NYC is also an incredible part of urban engineering and innovative way to squeeze a park in an area that sells itself in square inches.

I've been to the Highline and it's a great linear green space right in Manhattan.

Looking at Google Maps, there is an train line just north of 16th St. between Clark St. and Indiana Ave. There's a single track that is active, but there's a ROW next to it that appears to be from an old, abandoned 2nd track. This must be what Ishbia is referring to. I haven't heard of any plans to make this part of a Highline/606-type trail, but the ROW is there and then they'd need to build ped bridges on the east and west end of it to connect Ping Tom Park to the Soldier Field area. Obviously money would be needed from somewhere to do this, but it looks like it's technically feasible.

24 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said:

Right, but YOUR, hatred, profound distaste, and dislike of Ishbia, who you don't know, is based on what now? As you have sat here and called Ishbia greedy and self-serving, while never having met the guy for even a second, and not having the 5 decade long history of his ownership in Chicago to judge him on?

You have to hear your own hypocrisy, don't you?

Be honest ss2k5. Your hatred of Jerry is fueled by antisemitism.

2 minutes ago, ron883 said:

Be honest ss2k5. Your hatred of Jerry is fueled by antisemitism.

I've got bad news about Ishbia, then.

2 minutes ago, ron883 said:

Be honest ss2k5. Your hatred of Jerry is fueled by antisemitism.

Here's your Uno Reverse card:

10 minutes ago, Sleepy Harold said:

A couple summaries on Ishbia’s sit down yesterday (no paywalls) for anyone interested.

Here's a Youtube clip from Sox on 35th with a couple of minutes of Ishbia saying this on camera:

4 minutes ago, 77 Hitmen said:

Here's a Youtube clip from Sox on 35th with a couple of minutes of Ishbia saying this on camera:

That is a GREAT clip. I am even more fired up for this. The amount of minute detail and research he has put into this, WAAAAY beyond just, oh here is where we can put a ballpark, is amazing. For a guy who knows nothing about Chicago, he sure described that area better than I have ever heard another Chicago owner talk about a neighborhood approach versus a ballpark one.

30 minutes ago, Sleepy Harold said:

A couple summaries on Ishbia’s sit down yesterday (no paywalls) for anyone interested.

Great article from Josh Nelson. I found these items from his write up noteworthy:

• "Ishbia has been attending Detroit Tigers Opening Day with his father for over 40 years. Together, they have been to every MLB stadium, keeping a Microsoft Excel spreadsheet that ranks each venue on several factors, including sightlines and concessions"
  

• "Shore Capital also recently bought The Maxwell shopping center along Canal Street for $15 million. ...... During his Q&A, Ishbia hinted he’s close to buying more South Loop buildings to expand his foothold. "
  

• "If major investments like The Railyards don’t pan out, that could dissuade other investors and weaken confidence in the city’s ability to develop urban projects. "

Edited 1 hour ago1 hr by 77 Hitmen

We need affordable housing, where is the plan to build that?

7 minutes ago, Green Line said:

We need affordable housing, where is the plan to build that?

2 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said:

Well, he should get on it. Chicago is building far less housing than other major cities, which is why prices are exploding. Ishbia should be building something more useful on the land.