6/3 - White Sox Winner - beat Tigers 8-1

[WestEddy]

Good rebound start by Shane Smith. I guess we'll see his biker chick sister in Atlanta for the All-Star game. 

I thought Vargs was having a bad game, then he turns in a 2-4 with a walk. We won the Fedde/Kopech trade. 

Tauchman/Slater were great signings. Age is the new market inefficiency. Keep stocking up on able 30+ year olds while the market undervalues them. 

I'm really curious to see how the White Sox approach this next off-season. If they're still in the bottom 5, they'll probably make another Rule 5 strike to add to a potent core. 

[WhiteSox2023]

No, I don’t believe that two old vets that don’t have a combined total of 90 at bats in the first week of June are the new market inefficiency.  Baseball is a young man’s game and because these two guys are older, they couldn’t stay healthy.  As a result, we had to watch a myriad of AAA fodder and/or backups starting on a daily basis in the outfield and at DH (e.g., Jankowski, Maton, Taylor, Palacios, etc.) for much of these first 61 games of the season.

I’m sure both Jerry and Getz would agree with you, but this is not a new strategy.  The Sox have been signing old vets for years and it usually ends up in several millions of dollars wasted with nothing to show for it but middling prospects at best.  I’m sure the approach next offseason will be more of the same.

Edited June 4 by WhiteSox2023

[chitownsportsfan]

keep the winner threads mostly contained to that game please. Sorry for back door modding but they are a long tradition here and we have plenty of other threads to talk everything else.

That said good to have a winner thread and Smith looked excellent tonight. I don't count on many 4 rbi nights from Taylor tho.

[caulfield12]

2 hours ago, WestEddy said:

Good rebound start by Shane Smith. I guess we'll see his biker chick sister in Atlanta for the All-Star game. 

I thought Vargs was having a bad game, then he turns in a 2-4 with a walk. We won the Fedde/Kopech trade. 

Tauchman/Slater were great signings. Age is the new market inefficiency. Keep stocking up on able 30+ year olds while the market undervalues them. 

I'm really curious to see how the White Sox approach this next off-season. If they're still in the bottom 5, they'll probably make another Rule 5 strike to add to a potent core. 

"they'll probably make another Rule 5 strike to add to a potent core."

Seems like an oxymoron.

[The Mighty Mite]

8 hours ago, WestEddy said:

Good rebound start by Shane Smith. I guess we'll see his biker chick sister in Atlanta for the All-Star game. 

I thought Vargs was having a bad game, then he turns in a 2-4 with a walk. We won the Fedde/Kopech trade. 

Tauchman/Slater were great signings. Age is the new market inefficiency. Keep stocking up on able 30+ year olds while the market undervalues them. 

I'm really curious to see how the White Sox approach this next off-season. If they're still in the bottom 5, they'll probably make another Rule 5 strike to add to a potent core. 

I agree, I think Tauchman and Slater were good signings and even though it’s a rebuild you still need some veteran presence to help the youngsters along, having Benintendi around helps also.

Edited June 4 by The Mighty Mite

[hogan873]

Sox score 8 runs without Robert in the lineup, and his replacement in CF hits a 3-run home run.  Coincidence?

I agree that Tauchman and Slater were good signings.  Hopefully both can stay healthy now.  I saw someone on X speculate that the Sox could hold on to Tauchman vs. trading him.  Depending on the potential return, that may not be a bad idea.  That could give the Sox another year bridge to Montgomery.

Nice to see Smith have a good game.  I imagine he'll have some more downs and ups, and I would expect him to be limited on innings down the road.  But he's a guy you protect, especially in a lost year.

[WestEddy]

10 hours ago, WhiteSox2023 said:

No, I don’t believe that two old vets that don’t have a combined total of 90 at bats in the first week of June are the new market inefficiency.  Baseball is a young man’s game and because these two guys are older, they couldn’t stay healthy.  As a result, we had to watch a myriad of AAA fodder and/or backups starting on a daily basis in the outfield and at DH (e.g., Jankowski, Maton, Taylor, Palacios, etc.) for much of these first 61 games of the season.

I’m sure both Jerry and Getz would agree with you, but this is not a new strategy.  The Sox have been signing old vets for years and it usually ends up in several millions of dollars wasted with nothing to show for it but middling prospects at best.  I’m sure the approach next offseason will be more of the same.

Not my job to make you believe factual information. If you have anything relevant to discuss, fire away. Otherwise, there's over 2500+ other threads on this site you can post your mantra of "Jerry and Getz suck". 

[WhiteSox2023]

1 hour ago, WestEddy said:

Not my job to make you believe factual information. If you have anything relevant to discuss, fire away. Otherwise, there's over 2500+ other threads on this site you can post your mantra of "Jerry and Getz suck". 

I said I didn’t agree with you so you don’t have to get so defensive.  Also factual information — Palacios has more at bats than Tauchman and Slater combined.  Older vets are cheap for a reason — because they can’t stay healthy.  That’s the risk and downfall of your so-called “new market inefficiency.”  Don’t try to make up a false narrative that this is some sort of new strategy by our wizard GM Getz.  The Sox have been playing the veteran dumpster diving offseason game for years and years.  You know this, as we all do.  Who you crappin’?!?

Edited June 4 by WhiteSox2023

[Princess Dye]

Tauchman was great for the clubhouse- he has taught you that you gotta limp across that finish line even if you are down to one leg   ha-chaaa

[WhiteSox2023]

8 minutes ago, Princess Dye said:

Tauchman was great for the clubhouse- he has taught you that you gotta limp across that finish line even if you are down to one leg   ha-chaaa

Savage.  🤣

[WestEddy]

18 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said:

I said I didn’t agree with you.  Also factual information — Palacios has more at bats than Tauchman and Slater combined.  Older vets are cheap for a reason, they can’t stay healthy.  That’s the risk of your so called market inefficiency.

Eloy Jiminez, Yoan Moncada and Luis Robert all say you're wrong about older players getting injured more. 

[almagest]

Tauchman with that hefty 192 OPS+ and 0.8 bWAR in only 14 games. Slater not far behind with 0.4 WAR and a 155 OPS+ in 17 games. I'm sure if they weren't injured and had more at-bats those numbers would normalize a bit, but so far 1.2 bWAR in 31 games for an outfield platoon is LIGHT YEARS better than what we had before, injuries or not.

[WestEddy]

9 minutes ago, almagest said:

Tauchman with that hefty 192 OPS+ and 0.8 bWAR in only 14 games. Slater not far behind with 0.4 WAR and a 155 OPS+ in 17 games. I'm sure if they weren't injured and had more at-bats those numbers would normalize a bit, but so far 1.2 bWAR in 31 games for an outfield platoon is LIGHT YEARS better than what we had before, injuries or not.

Exactly. Tauchman and Slater were great signings. 

[WhiteSox2023]

39 minutes ago, almagest said:

Tauchman with that hefty 192 OPS+ and 0.8 bWAR in only 14 games. Slater not far behind with 0.4 WAR and a 155 OPS+ in 17 games. I'm sure if they weren't injured and had more at-bats those numbers would normalize a bit, but so far 1.2 bWAR in 31 games for an outfield platoon is LIGHT YEARS better than what we had before, injuries or not.

Don’t forget to factor in Palacios’s -0.8 bWAR when discussing Tauchman and Slater’s bWAR.  Palacios had to play more games and get more at bats than Tauchman and Slater combined thus far in the season due to their injuries.

I think the consensus OF choice by most posters in the offseason was Austin Hays.  That one is looking really good so far.

[almagest]

1 hour ago, WhiteSox2023 said:

Don’t forget to factor in Palacios’s -0.8 bWAR when discussing Tauchman and Slater’s bWAR.  Palacios had to play more games and get more at bats than Tauchman and Slater combined thus far in the season due to their injuries.

I think the consensus OF choice by most posters in the offseason was Austin Hays.  That one is looking really good so far.

Hays is on the IL, so we wouldn't have avoided the injury bug with him, either.

Thank goodness Palacios shouldn't be playing very much anymore.

[WestEddy]

2 hours ago, WhiteSox2023 said:

Don’t try to make up a false narrative that this is some sort of new strategy by our wizard GM Getz.

Nobody's making up a narrative. The economics of the game have shifted where guys like Tauchman get cut because the Cubs didn't want to pay an arb-inflated salary. The same thing happened to 29-year-old Austin Hays, who happens to be injured now. 

Yes, the White Sox have traditionally tried to find value, but this is a new level of cost-savings for guys who are still productive players. You're the only one claiming Getz invented this. 

Baseball players get injured.

I don't understand why you feel the need to change your posts to take shots at me. There are 2500+ other strings here where you can and do post your nonsense ad nauseum. 

[GreenSox]

1 hour ago, WestEddy said:

Nobody's making up a narrative. The economics of the game have shifted where guys like Tauchman get cut because the Cubs didn't want to pay an arb-inflated salary. The same thing happened to 29-year-old Austin Hays, who happens to be injured now. 

Yes, the White Sox have traditionally tried to find value, but this is a new level of cost-savings for guys who are still productive players. You're the only one claiming Getz invented this. 

Baseball players get injured.

I don't understand why you feel the need to change your posts to take shots at me. There are 2500+ other strings here where you can and do post your nonsense ad nauseum. 

Also Sheets and Carlos Rodon; it's hit or miss though.   The best part will be to move these guys for more lasting help…although  I suppose the could hold tauchman to play CF for a year and build some real value versus the “Pham value” he probably has now.

 

[kitekrazy]

18 hours ago, WestEddy said:

Good rebound start by Shane Smith. I guess we'll see his biker chick sister in Atlanta for the All-Star game. 

I thought Vargs was having a bad game, then he turns in a 2-4 with a walk. We won the Fedde/Kopech trade. 

Tauchman/Slater were great signings. Age is the new market inefficiency. Keep stocking up on able 30+ year olds while the market undervalues them. 

I'm really curious to see how the White Sox approach this next off-season. If they're still in the bottom 5, they'll probably make another Rule 5 strike to add to a potent core. 

Why curious when it's always cut payroll.

[Autumn Dreamin]

The White Sox have more wins by 5+ runs (8) than by 1 run (3).

They have more losses by 1 run (15) than by 5+ runs (13).

[WestEddy]

16 minutes ago, kitekrazy said:

Why curious when it's always cut payroll.

There's some talk the Sox could hold on to Tauchman for next year. I'd imagine they take more pitching in the Rule 5.

[WestEddy]

1 hour ago, GreenSox said:

Also Sheets and Carlos Rodon; it's hit or miss though.   The best part will be to move these guys for more lasting help…although  I suppose the could hold tauchman to play CF for a year and build some real value versus the “Pham value” he probably has now.

 

Sheets, totally. Rodon was a free agent. 

Tauchman would be great for teams like the Royals or Padres. Cheap and controllable. 

[fathom]

28 minutes ago, WestEddy said:

There's some talk the Sox could hold on to Tauchman for next year. I'd imagine they take more pitching in the Rule 5.

That would be so incredibly dumb, assuming he has some trade value 

[WhiteSox2023]

4 hours ago, WestEddy said:

Nobody's making up a narrative. The economics of the game have shifted where guys like Tauchman get cut because the Cubs didn't want to pay an arb-inflated salary. The same thing happened to 29-year-old Austin Hays, who happens to be injured now. 

Yes, the White Sox have traditionally tried to find value, but this is a new level of cost-savings for guys who are still productive players. You're the only one claiming Getz invented this. 

Baseball players get injured.

I don't understand why you feel the need to change your posts to take shots at me. There are 2500+ other strings here where you can and do post your nonsense ad nauseum. 

But these are literally the only type of logical signings that a team that is spending a minimal amount of money each offseason, like the Sox, can make.  Once again, the Sox have been doing this for years.  I don’t see it as a planned out strategy.  It’s basically, sign a bunch of older vets and pray that they have a good year.  It may work and it may not due to injuries, poor performance, age, or a combination of these reasons (see Josh Rojas, Michael A. Taylor, Martin Perez, Mike Clevinger).  It’s basically the $5 million and under bargain bin at the MLB free agent waste management site, a.k.a. dumpster.  It definitely isn’t a sustainable strategy if you want your team to be any sort of contender.

Edited June 4 by WhiteSox2023

[caulfield12]

Ultimately, if they get nothing in trade return they're just taking time away from younger players.

The bigger problem is no better outfield options to replace them in the minors.

But Rojas was already starting to eat into Sosa's playing time (as well as Baldwin), and you can practically guarantee the Josh Rojas deadline return will be zero.

[caulfield12]

10 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said:

But these are literally the only type of logical signings that a team that is spending a minimal amount of money each offseason, like the Sox, can make.  Once again, the Sox have been doing this for years.  I don’t see it as a planned out strategy.  It’s basically, sign a bunch of older vets and pray that they have a good year.  It may work and it may not due to injuries, poor performance, age, or a combination of these reasons (see Josh Rojas, Michael A. Taylor, Martin Perez, Mike Clevinger).

Building a winning rotation or pen through Rule 5 draft picks would be wholeheartedly endorsed by JR but never successfully pulled off by any team in MLB history...even Charlie Finley's penurious A's.

Edited June 4 by caulfield12