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An ominous future...

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3 hours ago, Eminor3rd said:

The only way those revenue figures are accurate is if they are counting all concession/merchandise revenue 1:1, which is only true for teams that run their own concessions operation. Most don’t, using legends or Aramark or Delaware north or whatever, and those deals are profit sharing models. There are also a very wide range of parking arrangements, which are very lucrative because they are high margin. It’s not safe to assume the team sees all of that revenue, or even any in some cases if they share or utilize facilities controlled by the city.

2024 was also the final year before most of the RSN deals imploded. Knock 30-60M off those numbers and the percentages increase quite a bit.

 

Hardly any of the smaller market teams were getting $60 million under their RSN deals...

From all the SD local reporting, they were at $15-18 million under the 24-25 restructured mlb carriage deals.

$20-30 million off is probably closer to the average for the bottom 12-15 teams.

That said, with the Sox April CHSN chaos ... changing to a for pay structure, advertising buys getting comped due to low ratings…easy to imagine the White Sox were down roughly $50-million.

But that should start going back in the other direction the more teams are added to ESPN+/Disney.

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2 hours ago, caulfield12 said:

Hardly any of the smaller market teams were getting $60 million under their RSN deals...

From all the SD local reporting, they were at $15-18 million under the 24-25 restructured mlb carriage deals.

$20-30 million off is probably closer to the average for the bottom 12-15 teams.

That said, with the Sox April CHSN chaos ... changing to a for pay structure, advertising buys getting comped due to low ratings…easy to imagine the White Sox were down roughly $50-million.

But that should start going back in the other direction the more teams are added to ESPN+/Disney.

The Twins apparently went from ~$55M in RSN revenue to ~$5M.  Meanwhile, the Dodgers are getting over $300M annually from their RSN deal.  

The Cardinals have gone from $75M in TV revenue to $20M:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ijf4lkGd98&t=138s

 

4 hours ago, caulfield12 said:

Hardly any of the smaller market teams were getting $60 million under their RSN deals...

From all the SD local reporting, they were at $15-18 million under the 24-25 restructured mlb carriage deals.

$20-30 million off is probably closer to the average for the bottom 12-15 teams.

That said, with the Sox April CHSN chaos ... changing to a for pay structure, advertising buys getting comped due to low ratings…easy to imagine the White Sox were down roughly $50-million.

But that should start going back in the other direction the more teams are added to ESPN+/Disney.

Right. I’ve been careful to keep saying “average” team. Outliers on both ends. 

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On 7/16/2025 at 3:02 PM, 77 Hitmen said:

Maybe if I had a shred of hope of the Sox being good again in the next 3 or 4 years (we already have a 6 page thread about that), I'd actually share in this "ominous" feeling.  As it stands, I'm not going to lose sleep over it because IMO, my favorite team has been unwatchable for going on 3 years now with no end in sight by 2027.

 

They have been unwatchable since 2021, when Tony LaRussa was brought back to manage our team. I am regaining some optimism, but Jerry needs to turn over the managing partner title to Ishiba sooner rather than later.

On 7/18/2025 at 9:55 AM, southsider2k5 said:

-It is universally thought of as one of the most underwhelming facilities in baseball,  typically residing in the bottom three.

-There is no aesthetic or beauty to the park.

-There is only game day revenue from inside the park, as there is literally zero to do besides a game in the area.

-They absolutely did nothing to take advantage of their location within Chicago to emphasize the view or skyline.

-The commonly held belief is that the area it is isn't safe, despite the neighborhood around Wrigley having a higher crime rate.

Location, location, location.

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