August 11, 2025Aug 11 5 minutes ago, GreenSox said: The Rays preferred Gray to Mead. The Sox sent them Gray for "cash considerations". But the Sox had to send one of the few trade assets* they had for Mead. Why wasn't he available for "Cash considerations" given that the Rays clearly preferred Gray to Mead? Meanwhile, the Rays send real prospects to the Dodgers for a AAAA catcher. Once again, the Sox get the worst of it. *Houser didn't have a lot of value; but he had a morsel. What did you think Houser was worth?
August 11, 2025Aug 11 15 minutes ago, nrockway said: The Rays have made some pretty bad trades lately. Manzardo for Civale was dumb. They didn't get anything for Eflin. The Arozarena trade looks pretty good. Parades is way better than Morel. Am I missing any big ones? edit: maybe they got good value for Jason Adam, but he looks really good in San Diego and Lesko has been injured. I thought the idea was that they trade for pitchers and 'fix them'. Seems like they broke Civale and Hauser (we'll see what he does the rest of the year). Do they have new management or something? Some are beginning to suspect that Peter Bendix was much of the brains behind the vaunted Rays FO targeting and "fixing" players. He left for the Marlins after the 2023 season and the teams' trajectories have seemingly flipped.
August 11, 2025Aug 11 26 minutes ago, GreenSox said: The Rays preferred Gray to Mead. The Sox sent them Gray for "cash considerations". But the Sox had to send one of the few trade assets* they had for Mead. Why wasn't he available for "Cash considerations" given that the Rays clearly preferred Gray to Mead? Meanwhile, the Rays send real prospects to the Dodgers for a AAAA catcher. Once again, the Sox get the worst of it. *Houser didn't have a lot of value; but he had a morsel. I have no idea how you came to this conclusion.
August 11, 2025Aug 11 7 minutes ago, GreenSox said: The Rays preferred Gray to Mead. The Sox sent them Gray for "cash considerations". But the Sox had to send one of the few trade assets* they had for Mead. Why wasn't he available for "Cash considerations" given that the Rays clearly preferred Gray to Mead? Meanwhile, the Rays send real prospects to the Dodgers for a AAAA catcher. Once again, the Sox get the worst of it. *Houser didn't have a lot of value; but he had a morsel. Tampa needed a warm body for depth while navigating injuries in the run up to the deadline when Lowe and HSK both went down a few games apart. Gray had been in their system previously and has options, so they picked him up for cash. He's only up again now because Aranda fractured his wrist the following week, not because the Rays "clearly preferred" him to Mead. Gray is a 29 year old with less than 50 career MLB ABs, Mead is a 24 year old former top 50 prospect. These are not comparable players, and Gray backfilling an IF roster spot after injuries/trades doesn't mean they should have comparable value.
August 11, 2025Aug 11 1 hour ago, Bob Sacamano said: That you got anything for a MiLB deal and is free agent in 2 years. I don't even think the Sox "fixed" him. He got himself right in the off-season, refined his stuff at AAA and wanted a club to give him Major league starts. Credit the White Sox for keeping him on track and working with him.
August 11, 2025Aug 11 Seen quite a few lists of FAs for next year and Civale is in the mid to late 40s and Houser's not even listed. Fedde might even get more...possibly. Edited August 11, 2025Aug 11 by caulfield12
August 11, 2025Aug 11 12 hours ago, nrockway said: The Rays have made some pretty bad trades lately. Manzardo for Civale was dumb. They didn't get anything for Eflin. The Arozarena trade looks pretty good. Parades is way better than Morel. Am I missing any big ones? edit: maybe they got good value for Jason Adam, but he looks really good in San Diego and Lesko has been injured. I thought the idea was that they trade for pitchers and 'fix them'. Seems like they broke Civale and Hauser (we'll see what he does the rest of the year). Do they have new management or something? Philadelphia trading Mead to Tampa Bay for Sanchez is looking good for the Phillies.
August 11, 2025Aug 11 2 hours ago, Falstaff said: Philadelphia trading Mead to Tampa Bay for Sanchez is looking good for the Phillies. Right! Forgot about that one, Sanchez rocks. I don't think anyone expected he'd be a Cy Young frontrunner, but man, they trade him for Mead and then don't even give Mead a shot. Big W for us if Mead can outplay Chandler Simpson/Morel. Shouldn't be too hard.
August 11, 2025Aug 11 2 hours ago, nrockway said: Right! Forgot about that one, Sanchez rocks. I don't think anyone expected he'd be a Cy Young frontrunner, but man, they trade him for Mead and then don't even give Mead a shot. Big W for us if Mead can outplay Chandler Simpson/Morel. Shouldn't be too hard. The Rays gave him looks over three seasons, and while the PA's are low, it's hard to argue that they didn't give him a chance imo. They did, and they simply didn't like what they saw. His power does not seem to have ever come fully back following the broken wrist.
August 11, 2025Aug 11 39 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said: The Rays gave him looks over three seasons, and while the PA's are low, it's hard to argue that they didn't give him a chance imo. They did, and they simply didn't like what they saw. His power does not seem to have ever come fully back following the broken wrist. Seems like he hits everything on the ground
August 11, 2025Aug 11 1 hour ago, fathom said: Seems like he hits everything on the ground So we just need to send Mead to the Brewers and he will become a stud?
August 11, 2025Aug 11 51 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said: So we just need to send Mead to the Brewers and he will become a stud? I need a crying react.
August 11, 2025Aug 11 1 hour ago, WhiteSox2023 said: So we just need to send Mead to the Brewers and he will become a stud? Vaughn is actually hitting the ball on the ground quite a bit more in MIL than he did here.
August 12, 2025Aug 12 On 8/10/2025 at 8:38 PM, Autumn Dreamin said: Tampa needed a warm body for depth while navigating injuries in the run up to the deadline when Lowe and HSK both went down a few games apart. Gray had been in their system previously and has options, so they picked him up for cash. He's only up again now because Aranda fractured his wrist the following week, not because the Rays "clearly preferred" him to Mead. Gray is a 29 year old with less than 50 career MLB ABs, Mead is a 24 year old former top 50 prospect. These are not comparable players, and Gray backfilling an IF roster spot after injuries/trades doesn't mean they should have comparable value. Still, they sent Mead down and then traded for Gray. And it's not like Mead was some young prospect they were nursing along - he had over 300 major league at bats. Beyond that, what does a productive fully-developed Mead provide? Getz' deals are consistently on the other teams' terms. They never have to squirm. And that's the problem. I think he's cognizant of it after the public fallout from the 2024 deadline. But he hasn't learned how to do anything about it, other than not make deals.
August 12, 2025Aug 12 7 minutes ago, GreenSox said: Still, they sent Mead down and then traded for Gray. And it's not like Mead was some young prospect they were nursing along - he had over 300 major league at bats. Beyond that, what does a productive fully-developed Mead provide? Getz' deals are consistently on the other teams' terms. They never have to squirm. And that's the problem. I think he's cognizant of it after the public fallout from the 2024 deadline. But he hasn't learned how to do anything about it, other than not make deals. Mead just doesn't have enough power for a corner spot, definitely isn't a SS...and we already have about 7-8 potential 2B men. Sox love collecting former Top 100 prospects 2-3 years after their expiratoon dates.
August 12, 2025Aug 12 13 hours ago, GreenSox said: Still, they sent Mead down and then traded for Gray. And it's not like Mead was some young prospect they were nursing along - he had over 300 major league at bats. Beyond that, what does a productive fully-developed Mead provide? Getz' deals are consistently on the other teams' terms. They never have to squirm. And that's the problem. I think he's cognizant of it after the public fallout from the 2024 deadline. But he hasn't learned how to do anything about it, other than not make deals. Gray plays SS, Mead doesn't. Mead was a top 40 prospect, and isn't 25 yet. This seems like a weird bone to pick. Houser was a scrap heap 5th starter. Getz procured a post-hype top 40 infield bat for him. Do you know of any trade rumors for Houser that had us getting a significantly better prospect package?
August 12, 2025Aug 12 13 hours ago, caulfield12 said: Mead just doesn't have enough power for a corner spot, definitely isn't a SS...and we already have about 7-8 potential 2B men. Sox love collecting former Top 100 prospects 2-3 years after their expiratoon dates. Somebody longing for the days when the Sox had one bad utility infield prospect in their minor league system was not on my bingo card.
August 12, 2025Aug 12 5 minutes ago, WestEddy said: Somebody longing for the days when the Sox had one bad utility infield prospect in their minor league system was not on my bingo card. Now we have a of bad utility players and utility prospects! Yea!
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