2 hours ago, FloydBannister1983 said:

 

This math only works in my APBA 54 game season.

Projecting guys like Teel or Colson at 4-5 fWAR before they prove it first seems to be a foolhardy exercise.

It's also a way to justify not making any major FA additions.

Meidroth at 3.0, Vargas or Sosa gets up to 2-2.5, Quero or Baldwin make major improvements....we have been doing this same thing since 2022.  Ignoring the eye test.

 

Remember the board doing the same thing with Madrigal earlier in his career. Nobody would have believed that Kwan would be the best pro over Rutschman, Larnach, Conforto, all those OSU studs.

35 minutes ago, caulfield12 said:

To win it all, sure.

I’ll take playoffs at this point

3 hours ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said:

I guess you justgottabelieve. The Sox three of those guys now and 1 of them is 36. Meidroth amazingly is not one of those guys.

One is Teel though

On 9/17/2025 at 6:19 AM, Look at Ray Ray Run said:

Well crochet is going to finish top 2 in Cy Young voting. 

So far, Teel has been the only guy that I can say confidently is a guy. Monty might be one too, but needs to prove it. Garrett is a unicorn.

Crochet was getting traded, bad teams trade talent for prospects, baseball 101, get over it!  His performance is a non-factor in this discussion.  

It's what Getz got in return that's important.  The 2 positional players are both very solid to exceptional & Gonzalez thru 19 innings has been a very good bullpen piece.  Braden has a very real chance of playing next year.  How can you not say Chase is a possible "guy" as much as Teel?  His BB acumen is 10 years older than he is.  He & Teel exact same mold.  Baseball trades are so iffy and Getz got back some outstanding potential.  Compare it the Sale trade!

On 9/16/2025 at 10:41 PM, FloydBannister1983 said:

They’re 22 in the league post all star break and will most likely drop to 26 before the weekend.

The post all star break record is not a hill to die on.

This losing streak & batting slump is unfortunate but had made to .500 prior to it.  If that doesn't mean anything to you or you can't see the improvement or envision a fairly competitive batting order for next year, led by a pretty impressive manager & staff; you & I are clearing seeing two different teams. 

20 minutes ago, Rounding_Third said:

This losing streak & batting slump is unfortunate but had made to .500 prior to it.  If that doesn't mean anything to you or you can't see the improvement or envision a fairly competitive batting order for next year, led by a pretty impressive manager & staff; you & I are clearing seeing two different teams. 

I agree we are seeing two different teams.  The one we are looking at, even with the couple nice streaks, and (debatable) “pretty impressive” staff is the second worst team in the league closing in on their 3rd straight year of 100 losses.  We are all grabbing on to the good things, but this season has had its share of WTF as well

1 hour ago, Rounding_Third said:

Crochet was getting traded, bad teams trade talent for prospects, baseball 101, get over it!  His performance is a non-factor in this discussion.  

It's what Getz got in return that's important.  The 2 positional players are both very solid to exceptional & Gonzalez thru 19 innings has been a very good bullpen piece.  Braden has a very real chance of playing next year.  How can you not say Chase is a possible "guy" as much as Teel?  His BB acumen is 10 years older than he is.  He & Teel exact same mold.  Baseball trades are so iffy and Getz got back some outstanding potential.  Compare it the Sale trade!

How can i say that? Because there are 100 chase meidroths in baseball and he's the opposite of a rare commodity.

51 minutes ago, Rounding_Third said:

This losing streak & batting slump is unfortunate but had made to .500 prior to it.  If that doesn't mean anything to you or you can't see the improvement or envision a fairly competitive batting order for next year, led by a pretty impressive manager & staff; you & I are clearing seeing two different teams. 

.500 prior to what? 

Yes, im watching the second worst team in baseball and you appear to be watching replays of major league and jack parkman to assess the White sox.

If you added Naylor, Merrill Kelly or Michael King and a closer like Suarez/Williams/Helsley...how much would twenty game season ticket packages go up?

Just not sure that even overpaying for Kyle Tucker would move the meter that much after the last 2-3 months.

Maybe.

Just don't see any way they add more than $5-10 million guys...maybe 1-2.

Edited September 19, 2025Sep 19 by caulfield12

I don’t think the overall price of season ticket packages is directly correlated to free agent signees

4 hours ago, Rounding_Third said:

This losing streak & batting slump is unfortunate but had made to .500 prior to it.  If that doesn't mean anything to you or you can't see the improvement or envision a fairly competitive batting order for next year, led by a pretty impressive manager & staff; you & I are clearing seeing two different teams. 

Noted.

If you took away the six, four, three, and five game losing streaks they had in August and made them 9-0 instead of 9-19 they might be the best team in baseball since the All Star break.

3 hours ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said:

.500 prior to what? 

Yes, im watching the second worst team in baseball and you appear to be watching replays of major league and jack parkman to assess the White sox.

You must be joking right? Your attention span is limited so I'll repeat .500 since the all star break before this losing streak.

Geesh!  

3 minutes ago, FloydBannister1983 said:

Noted.

If you took away the six, four, three, and five game losing streaks they had in August and made them 9-0 instead of 9-19 they might be the best team in baseball since the All Star break.

Wow!  So much hatred for a team that has played some decent ball for a nice stretch.  

4 hours ago, Rounding_Third said:

Crochet was getting traded, bad teams trade talent for prospects, baseball 101, get over it!  His performance is a non-factor in this discussion.  

It's what Getz got in return that's important.  The 2 positional players are both very solid to exceptional & Gonzalez thru 19 innings has been a very good bullpen piece.  Braden has a very real chance of playing next year.  How can you not say Chase is a possible "guy" as much as Teel?  His BB acumen is 10 years older than he is.  He & Teel exact same mold.  Baseball trades are so iffy and Getz got back some outstanding potential.  Compare it the Sale trade!

I think we are being generous with the word “exceptional” here.

7 minutes ago, Rounding_Third said:

7 minutes ago, Rounding_Third said:

You must be joking right? Your attention span is limited so I'll repeat .500 since the all star break before this losing streak.

Geesh!  

If you take away the five game losing streak at the start of September then they are playing below .400 since the All  Star break.

1 minute ago, FloydBannister1983 said:

I think we are being generous with the word “exceptional” here.

 Yes, exceptional for those 2 rookies to play this well this early, especially Teel.

3 hours ago, Kyyle23 said:

I agree we are seeing two different teams.  The one we are looking at, even with the couple nice streaks, and (debatable) “pretty impressive” staff is the second worst team in the league closing in on their 3rd straight year of 100 losses.  We are all grabbing on to the good things, but this season has had its share of WTF as well

There has been some individual progress but you are right, the defense is awful, they still can't grasp fundamentals successfully and the pitching is practically non-existent in part because they can't keep anybody healthy anymore.  

6 minutes ago, Rounding_Third said:

Wow!  So much hatred for a team that has played some decent ball for a nice stretch.  

Not hatred.  Just mathematics.

1 hour ago, Kyyle23 said:

I don’t think the overall price of season ticket packages is directly correlated to free agent signees

Never said it did.

But demand is not going to be increased by adding nothing this offseason but picking up Robert's option.

Marketing/giveaways this year kept attendance from catering further, but two more years of this?

Edited September 19, 2025Sep 19 by caulfield12

15 minutes ago, FloydBannister1983 said:

If you take away the five game losing streak at the start of September then they are playing below .400 since the All  Star break.

A sub 65-97 pace for a full season is not actually considered good...by most fanbases.

Edited September 19, 2025Sep 19 by caulfield12

33 minutes ago, Rounding_Third said:

Wow!  So much hatred for a team that has played some decent ball for a nice stretch.  

Chris, your current team still blows because you are a bad GM and they are about to lose 100+ games.  Even a 20 win improvement over last season won’t be impressive considering you set the MLB record for losses last year.  Give it up, Chris.

3 hours ago, FloydBannister1983 said:

Not hatred.  Just mathematics.

Starting to sound like a mirror of real world politics. 

If you don't automatically support something 100% and pass the so-called loyalty test.  Well, then you naturally must hate whatever IT is, instead of taking a more reasonable, nuanced position somewhere in the middle.

6 hours ago, caulfield12 said:

Never said it did.

But demand is not going to be increased by adding nothing this offseason but picking up Robert's option.

Marketing/giveaways this year kept attendance from catering further, but two more years of this?

It’s literally the first paragraph and the reason I said what I said.   

35 minutes ago, Kyyle23 said:

It’s literally the first paragraph and the reason I said what I said.   

What does that have to do with the PRiCE of season tickets?

I should have explicitly stated "go up" meaning increased sales/demand....because there's no way in hell you can raise prices off three consecutive 100+ game losing seasons.

Not even sure signing Kyle Tucker (which will never in a million years happen) would justify an increase after Sox fans continued to loyalty support the team everyone knew would finish in last place again.

 

Maybe the better question would be for those who have dropped season tickets since 2022...what would bring them back?

 

1) New owner officially

2) Team has to at least get back to .500

3) Team has to increase the payroll to at least average (roughly $140-150 million this year) 

4) Acquiring a big name free agent like Kyle Tucker or combination like Naylor, Merrill Kelly and a veteran quasi-elite closer.

5) New stadium

6) Better promotions/giveaways/food quality/concession prices etc.

7) GM or manager replaced

Edited September 19, 2025Sep 19 by caulfield12

Genuine progress? Anyway you spin it, this is three (Three!!) 100 loss seasons in a row. I find it hard to celebrate anything at this point.

Edited September 19, 2025Sep 19 by soxrwhite