WhiteSox2023 Posted September 17 Share Posted September 17 48 minutes ago, Lip Man 1 said: So much for Getz saying "we're looking to add..." a few weeks ago. JR must have already told him the facts of life: White Sox’ offseason shaping up to once more focus on rebuilding rather than big free-agent spending https://chicago.suntimes.com/white-sox/2025/09/17/white-sox-offseason-rebuild-free-agency-spend-chris-getz-front-office-luis-robert-jr But the Sox payroll is going to be so low that I heard they would be spending money!!!!!1!! Nope, it’s staying in Jerry’s pockets. At most, it will be more washed-up mediocre veterans, as usual. Quite simply, Jerry has no reason to spend for the next few years until he is no longer the owner. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lip Man 1 Posted September 17 Share Posted September 17 29 minutes ago, fathom said: 100 losses again incoming You can bet Greg's house on this! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted September 17 Share Posted September 17 2 hours ago, Kyyle23 said: One thing that is noticeable for me right now compared to when they had that little streak a few weeks ago, is that the hitters don’t seem to have a plan at the plate. Colson is just looking for something close, he isn’t looking for pitches to hit. Sosa is swinging at everything, Teel is kind of in between as well as tired It looks like the league adjusted to the Sox looking fastball. Now we need to see them adjust back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lip Man 1 Posted September 17 Share Posted September 17 3 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said: But the Sox payroll is going to be so low that I heard they would be spending money!!!!!1!! Nope, it’s staying in Jerry’s pockets. At most, it will be more washed-up mediocre veterans, as usual. Quite simply, Jerry has no reason to spend for the next few years until he is no longer the owner. And with the labor situation and the owners insane wish to get a salary cap this is doubly true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted September 17 Share Posted September 17 1 hour ago, Lip Man 1 said: So much for Getz saying "we're looking to add..." a few weeks ago. JR must have already told him the facts of life: White Sox’ offseason shaping up to once more focus on rebuilding rather than big free-agent spending https://chicago.suntimes.com/white-sox/2025/09/17/white-sox-offseason-rebuild-free-agency-spend-chris-getz-front-office-luis-robert-jr Both can be true. Waiting for the next Rojas and Perez signings. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chitownsportsfan Posted September 17 Share Posted September 17 Already telegraphing the "expect nothing be grateful for anything" PR approach to the offseason. This franchise sure has a way of doing things under JR. Hopefully Ishbia cleans it all up, including the game day management and PR department. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lip Man 1 Posted September 17 Share Posted September 17 1 minute ago, chitownsportsfan said: Already telegraphing the "expect nothing be grateful for anything" PR approach to the offseason. This franchise sure has a way of doing things under JR. Hopefully Ishbia cleans it all up, including the game day management and PR department. I sincerely hope he does what John Allyn did in September 1970, basically fire everyone on the baseball side of the operations. If he want to include the training staffs, doctors and non-baseball areas as well I certainly won't complain. This entire operation top to bottom from the highest positions to the lowest at the big league level or the minor league one needs to be thoroughly cleaned out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chitownsportsfan Posted September 17 Share Posted September 17 13 minutes ago, Lip Man 1 said: I sincerely hope he does what John Allyn did in September 1970, basically fire everyone on the baseball side of the operations. If he want to include the training staffs, doctors and non-baseball areas as well I certainly won't complain. This entire operation top to bottom from the highest positions to the lowest at the big league level or the minor league one needs to be thoroughly cleaned out. I don't have a lot of faith in Ishbia TBH. His brother is a dipshit owner and I'm not sure he'll be any better. The only thing we can probably count on for sure is that we won't be a bottom 1/3 payroll, which in itself is nice but guarantees nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted September 17 Share Posted September 17 2 hours ago, fathom said: Vargas continues to pull off everything. Needs to make an adjustment badly. Check his home splits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pcq Posted September 17 Share Posted September 17 (edited) Win two lose six etc. Edited September 18 by pcq Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nrockway Posted September 17 Share Posted September 17 (edited) In 2026, I'd still rather look at Mead, Vargas, Sosa or some minor leaguer like Galanie or a potentially improved Elko at first than to throw Benintendi bucks at Josh Naylor, a guy who averages less than 2 WAR per 162 games on his career. Kyle Tucker is frankly the only position player worth paying a s%*# ton of money. They should offer him a contract. He wouldn't accept it if the money is the same everywhere else. There are several starting pitchers worth paying but there will also be those in pre-2027 free agency, arguably a better crop, headlined by the likes of Skubal, Freddy Peralta, Jesus Luzardo, etc. Maybe there are some 'prove it deal' options like Cease, Gallen, Arraez. I might suspect Cease and Gallen sign long term deals anyway and Arraez at this stage is basically Mead with even less defense. Perhaps there are other options available to look at. Should've done it with Teoscar or Bellinger years ago rather than sign Benny. Being stuck with a mediocre albatross is not the way to win for any MLB team that isn't the Yankees or Dodgers (including the Red Sox who spent all the money they saved jettisoning Devers buying players for Liverpool). 2027 has players who potentially fill holes. Can't really predict those holes, but the outfield and first base seem like contenders. Depends how minor leaguers perform like Bonemer and wherever he ends up playing I guess. Maybe we need a shortstop if Colson moves to third base like he ought to and Bonemer (if he even comes up, I think he could) to the outfield, someone to bridge for Carlsen (assuming he isn't a bust). Braden could be a bust or he could be a star. Vargas and Mead could turn into something. It really depends. I don't think there's any point in blocking Vargas at 3B with a multi-year Eugenio Suarez. 2027 free agents worth pursuing IMO: Trevor Rogers, Jesus Luzardo or some kind of front-end starter. Ian Happ, Randy Arozarena, Ramon Laureano, Daulton Varsho, Cody Bellinger. Outfielders with track records. Ha-Seong Kim. Always Ha-Seong Kim. Jazz Chisholm perhaps. Two versatile players who could be super utility infielders/Jazz in center. Pete Alonso is unrestricted then and would be a major get, although quite costly. These are just free agents. Who knows how the trade market shakes out. We seem to have a bunch of semi-valuable trade pieces and I'd like to see some of them moved. Antonacci and Sean Burke plus some other stuff could return a useful player In short, seeing what the young players can actually do strikes me as the best option in 2026. Blocking them with old guys who are probably going to regress does not seem wise. Try to trade guys who have been given enough of a look, namely the pitchers including Davis Martin and maybe can sell high on Shane Smith. I'd ask SoxTalk: which players would you sign in this coming free agency? Besides Tucker, Framber, Ranger. Those guys would be awesome gets but I suspect they'd head to playoff teams or teams near to it. Edited September 17 by nrockway Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lip Man 1 Posted September 18 Share Posted September 18 44 minutes ago, nrockway said: In 2026, I'd still rather look at Mead, Vargas, Sosa or some minor leaguer like Galanie or a potentially improved Elko at first than to throw Benintendi bucks at Josh Naylor, a guy who averages less than 2 WAR per 162 games on his career. Kyle Tucker is frankly the only position player worth paying a s%*# ton of money. They should offer him a contract. He wouldn't accept it if the money is the same everywhere else. There are several starting pitchers worth paying but there will also be those in pre-2027 free agency, arguably a better crop, headlined by the likes of Skubal, Freddy Peralta, Jesus Luzardo, etc. Maybe there are some 'prove it deal' options like Cease, Gallen, Arraez. I might suspect Cease and Gallen sign long term deals anyway and Arraez at this stage is basically Mead with even less defense. Perhaps there are other options available to look at. Should've done it with Teoscar or Bellinger years ago rather than sign Benny. Being stuck with a mediocre albatross is not the way to win for any MLB team that isn't the Yankees or Dodgers (including the Red Sox who spent all the money they saved jettisoning Devers buying players for Liverpool). 2027 has players who potentially fill holes. Can't really predict those holes, but the outfield and first base seem like contenders. Depends how minor leaguers perform like Bonemer and wherever he ends up playing I guess. Maybe we need a shortstop if Colson moves to third base like he ought to and Bonemer (if he even comes up, I think he could) to the outfield, someone to bridge for Carlsen (assuming he isn't a bust). Braden could be a bust or he could be a star. Vargas and Mead could turn into something. It really depends. I don't think there's any point in blocking Vargas at 3B with a multi-year Eugenio Suarez. 2027 free agents worth pursuing IMO: Trevor Rogers, Jesus Luzardo or some kind of front-end starter. Ian Happ, Randy Arozarena, Ramon Laureano, Daulton Varsho, Cody Bellinger. Outfielders with track records. Ha-Seong Kim. Always Ha-Seong Kim. Jazz Chisholm perhaps. Two versatile players who could be super utility infielders/Jazz in center. Pete Alonso is unrestricted then and would be a major get, although quite costly. These are just free agents. Who knows how the trade market shakes out. We seem to have a bunch of semi-valuable trade pieces and I'd like to see some of them moved. Antonacci and Sean Burke plus some other stuff could return a useful player In short, seeing what the young players can actually do strikes me as the best option in 2026. Blocking them with old guys who are probably going to regress does not seem wise. Try to trade guys who have been given enough of a look, namely the pitchers including Davis Martin and maybe can sell high on Shane Smith. I'd ask SoxTalk: which players would you sign in this coming free agency? Besides Tucker, Framber, Ranger. Those guys would be awesome gets but I suspect they'd head to playoff teams or teams near to it. Rock: You must not have seen the link I posted above. According to Duber in the Sun-Times today after speaking with Getz the Sox will not be active in the free agent market. So that is not going to be an issue either way. If they sign anyone it will be more flotsam and jetsam. As far as 2027, given the owners are locking out the players in December 2026 by every account and the 27 season at least in part may be in jeopardy, JR won't be doing a damn thing if he is still owner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nrockway Posted September 18 Share Posted September 18 (edited) 52 minutes ago, Lip Man 1 said: Rock: You must not have seen the link I posted above. According to Duber in the Sun-Times today after speaking with Getz the Sox will not be active in the free agent market. So that is not going to be an issue either way. If they sign anyone it will be more flotsam and jetsam. As far as 2027, given the owners are locking out the players in December 2026 by every account and the 27 season at least in part may be in jeopardy, JR won't be doing a damn thing if he is still owner. Right, my point is, even if there was money to spend, there's nobody to spend it on besides Tucker who would likely not want to play here.I made a post maybe a month ago about this same topic and how pretty much every unrestricted free agent signed to big money this past offseason has been a bust. Santander for instance went from 2.1 WAR, 3 WAR, 2.9 WAR to -1 WAR (so far) upon signing for big bucks. Free agents are nice to fill holes. They are generally very overpaid relative to their production. Even the good ones. It kind of sucks for players that arbitration salaries are relatively low and they're on that scale during their primes (prior to age 30). Can't really build a team with them but can compliment a core of players on arb/pre-arb deals. The idea behind Benintendi wasn't necessarily a bad one, the team was possibly a 'contender' and we needed a left-handed bat and an outfielder; he was just a bad player (and Cody Bellinger or Teoscar probably wouldn't have lifted the Sox regardless). Higher spending on payroll is obviously better, I just wouldn't want to block potential impact players in a season where winning is still unlikely. Barring a lockout (I don't think there will be one personally), 2027 seems like the year to start spending. The current rookie/young core should get another year to see who is actually impactful. On the hitting side, Teel and Montgomery we pretty much know will be good players, but the jury is out on everyone else. I think they need another year before we start finding their free agent replacements. It would suck if Vargas took a leap and we were paying 34-year-old Eugenio Suarez $100mil or whatever. Edited September 18 by nrockway Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted September 18 Share Posted September 18 1 hour ago, Lip Man 1 said: Rock: You must not have seen the link I posted above. According to Duber in the Sun-Times today after speaking with Getz the Sox will not be active in the free agent market. So that is not going to be an issue either way. If they sign anyone it will be more flotsam and jetsam. As far as 2027, given the owners are locking out the players in December 2026 by every account and the 27 season at least in part may be in jeopardy, JR won't be doing a damn thing if he is still owner. I’ve heard for a while now that the payroll will be embarrassingly low next year. I’m surprised some media people reported last month they would spend this offseason. Just like with the Twins recent infusion, I think a lot of the Ishbia money is going towards the debt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted September 18 Share Posted September 18 Just read the article. Saying the young guys “need to dominate their offseason program” is just so lame. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted September 18 Share Posted September 18 (edited) 6 hours ago, southsider2k5 said: Both can be true. Waiting for the next Rojas and Perez signings. But Austin AJ Slater was the big offseason priority...first signing. Coming back for another RF platoon? Edited September 18 by caulfield12 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted September 18 Share Posted September 18 52 minutes ago, fathom said: Just read the article. Saying the young guys “need to dominate their offseason program” is just so lame. This paragraph was worse, IMO. 20 more wins than a team that set a record for losses? While it may end up becoming true, talk about some hollow praise. As if potentially losing 100+ games again is some sort of accomplishment. This is some big time fluff by the Doobster…”Chris Getz’s slow-moving rebuilding project is not without its big positives as the 2025 campaign comes to a close. Not only could the team see around a 20-win improvement from last season, but a core of young position players has emerged, illustrating a path toward the contention Getz & Co. are trying to make a reality.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted September 18 Share Posted September 18 (edited) 1 hour ago, fathom said: I’ve heard for a while now that the payroll will be embarrassingly low next year. I’m surprised some media people reported last month they would spend this offseason. Just like with the Twins recent infusion, I think a lot of the Ishbia money is going towards the debt. Some posters here thought they would spend a bit last season (at least more than they ended up spending) because Eloy and Moncada would be finally coming off the payroll. Also, even more posters expected them to spend more next offseason since the payroll will be even lower. I think that money is mostly going to Robert in hopes that they can finally get something for him, along with a few veteran scrubs. Edited September 18 by WhiteSox2023 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxfest Posted September 18 Share Posted September 18 Offense has packed its bags for the year, just going thru the motions. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted September 18 Share Posted September 18 14 minutes ago, Soxfest said: Offense has packed its bags for the year, just going thru the motions. Someone made a great point about how the league adjusted to their fastball hunting. I can’t believe how bad just about everyone looked against a change up this week. They made generic Orioles pitchers look like Pedro Martinez. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lip Man 1 Posted September 18 Share Posted September 18 3 hours ago, nrockway said: Right, my point is, even if there was money to spend, there's nobody to spend it on besides Tucker who would likely not want to play here.I made a post maybe a month ago about this same topic and how pretty much every unrestricted free agent signed to big money this past offseason has been a bust. Santander for instance went from 2.1 WAR, 3 WAR, 2.9 WAR to -1 WAR (so far) upon signing for big bucks. Free agents are nice to fill holes. They are generally very overpaid relative to their production. Even the good ones. It kind of sucks for players that arbitration salaries are relatively low and they're on that scale during their primes (prior to age 30). Can't really build a team with them but can compliment a core of players on arb/pre-arb deals. The idea behind Benintendi wasn't necessarily a bad one, the team was possibly a 'contender' and we needed a left-handed bat and an outfielder; he was just a bad player (and Cody Bellinger or Teoscar probably wouldn't have lifted the Sox regardless). Higher spending on payroll is obviously better, I just wouldn't want to block potential impact players in a season where winning is still unlikely. Barring a lockout (I don't think there will be one personally), 2027 seems like the year to start spending. The current rookie/young core should get another year to see who is actually impactful. On the hitting side, Teel and Montgomery we pretty much know will be good players, but the jury is out on everyone else. I think they need another year before we start finding their free agent replacements. It would suck if Vargas took a leap and we were paying 34-year-old Eugenio Suarez $100mil or whatever. I'm curious what makes you think this given the published remarks by Manfred for example extolling a salary cap and his confrontation with Harper to say nothing of basically every national baseball writer saying the same thing. One even gave a specific date, December 2, 2026 is when the lockout begins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kitekrazy Posted September 18 Share Posted September 18 I totally get not spending in 2026 since who knows what will happen. Sucks to be a free agent after this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted September 18 Share Posted September 18 (edited) They have no choice but to find the veteran guys under $5 million like a Ramon Laureano coming into this season (joined a contender, though in Balt) that actually want to play in Chicago. And just not sure what spots other than RF (maybe) or 1B/DH and then one in the rotation and a couple in the pen are actually considered available by Getz. Still stuck with Robert and Benintendi. No idea who the third biggest contract would even be. Edited September 18 by caulfield12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted September 18 Share Posted September 18 (edited) 1 hour ago, caulfield12 said: They have no choice but to find the veteran guys under $5 million like a Ramon Laureano coming into this season (joined a contender, though in Balt) that actually want to play in Chicago. And just not sure what spots other than RF (maybe) or 1B/DH and then one in the rotation and a couple in the pen are actually considered available by Getz. Still stuck with Robert and Benintendi. No idea who the third biggest contract would even be. I think the starting OF for 2026 is already set — Benintendi, Robert, and Tauchman. They will probably sign a right-handed platoon/fourth outfielder again but he will be much worse and much cheaper than Laureano, more like Austin Slater 2.0. They will probably be banking on B. Montgomery coming up later next season. The big sell job on the Sox spending money this upcoming offseason will be Getz giving Robert his $20 million dollar option. But I doubt there will be a single free agent signing that is more than Martin Perez money. Edited September 18 by WhiteSox2023 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
periphery831 Posted September 19 Share Posted September 19 Are we losing these remaining games on purpose to stay in front of the Nationals for the draft? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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