Robert Thread: Sox talking to Reds, Mets

[nrockway]

1 hour ago, Lip Man 1 said:

Fair or unfair regarding Robert it didn't help the situation when he didn't even know the name of the White Sox hitting coach.

It was the bench coach (Montoyo). 

[Lip Man 1]

43 minutes ago, nrockway said:

It was the bench coach (Montoyo). 

Thank you!

[Y2Jimmy0]

6 hours ago, WestEddy said:

Wondering if the Gordon Wittenmeyer leak was more the Reds trying to get Bleday's people and the Marlins to s%*# or get off the pot. 

I know we’re Sox fans but that would be pretty damn embarrassing. Imagine going from Schwarber to Luis Robert to settling for a Myers/Bleday platoon. Robert was a way better player than Bleday last year. 

[SoCalChiSox]

14 minutes ago, Y2Jimmy0 said:

I know we’re Sox fans but that would be pretty damn embarrassing. Imagine going from Schwarber to Luis Robert to settling for a Myers/Bleday platoon. Robert was a way better player than Bleday last year. 

Jimmy, any idea about what the specifics of the Reds offer was?

I'd be pissed if they offered Petty and we responded with unrealistic counters like we reportedly did with the NYM before the deadline. 

[Bob Sacamano]

For whatever it’s worth

[Chicago White Sox]

19 minutes ago, Bob Sacamano said:

For whatever it’s worth

Looks like Orlando…I mean Bartolo is still making up rumors based off what he reads here.  What a fucking loser.

[Y2Jimmy0]

10 hours ago, SoCalChiSox said:

Jimmy, any idea about what the specifics of the Reds offer was?

I'd be pissed if they offered Petty and we responded with unrealistic counters like we reportedly did with the NYM before the deadline. 

 

46 minutes ago, Bob Sacamano said:

For whatever it’s worth

Not sure. I only knew what Wittenmyer reported. Any combo of Petty, Aguiar, Williamson with a comp pick would’ve been a great return at this point and better than they’ll do at deadline. Asking for any of Reds young position players is a mistake imo. Not sure if they did. 

[Bob Sacamano]

7 minutes ago, Y2Jimmy0 said:

 

Not sure. I only knew what Wittenmyer reported. Any combo of Petty, Aguiar, Williamson with a comp pick would’ve been a great return at this point and better than they’ll do at deadline. Asking for any of Reds young position players is a mistake imo. Not sure if they did. 

I probably would have tried to just get an arm and draft pick. Draft pick + one of their arms. Lot of value in the pick. And agree, they won’t get offered more in July than what’s out there now.

Edited 7 hours ago by Bob Sacamano

[ChiSoxFanMike]

1 hour ago, Bob Sacamano said:

For whatever it’s worth

That guy has literally never been right about anything.

[Chicago White Sox]

31 minutes ago, ChiSoxFanMike said:

That guy has literally never been right about anything.

I believe he was formally Al’s Cheesy Beef and got a couple things right he heard secondhand and then tried parlaying that into a fake insider account before outing himself as Orlando on Soxtalk becuase of a pair of Nike’s.  But because he so badly wants attention, he created this account to spew out fake rumors.

Is FootlongComiskeyDog still doing this con?  He blocked me on Twitter for calling him out over fake rumors so can’t tell what he’s up to.  I did listen in on one of is Twitter spaces and practically died of laughter at how dumb everything he said was.

[ChiSoxFanMike]

21 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said:

I believe he was formally Al’s Cheesy Beef and got a couple things right he heard secondhand and then tried parlaying that into a fake insider account before outing himself as Orlando on Soxtalk becuase of a pair of Nike’s.  But because he so badly wants attention, he created this account to spew out fake rumors.

Is FootlongComiskeyDog still doing this con?  He blocked me on Twitter for calling him out over fake rumors so can’t tell what he’s up to.  I did listen in on one of is Twitter spaces and practically died of laughter at how dumb everything he said was.

I think he’s still on Twitter but I haven’t seen any rumors from him recently. I feel like all the foodie insider accounts have died off recently. Bartolo’s Colonoscopy is the last one standing.

[WhiteSox2023]

50 minutes ago, ChiSoxFanMike said:

I think he’s still on Twitter but I haven’t seen any rumors from him recently. I feel like all the foodie insider accounts have died off recently. Bartolo’s Colonoscopy is the last one standing.

I hope “Bartolo’s Colonoscopy” isn’t considered a “foodie”.  🤢🤮🤣

[WhiteSox2023]

1 hour ago, Chicago White Sox said:

I believe he was formally Al’s Cheesy Beef and got a couple things right he heard secondhand and then tried parlaying that into a fake insider account before outing himself as Orlando on Soxtalk becuase of a pair of Nike’s.  But because he so badly wants attention, he created this account to spew out fake rumors.

Is FootlongComiskeyDog still doing this con?  He blocked me on Twitter for calling him out over fake rumors so can’t tell what he’s up to.  I did listen in on one of is Twitter spaces and practically died of laughter at how dumb everything he said was.

Wasn’t there another supposed insider named after a reliever that pitched for both the Cubs and Sox?  Steve Cishek maybe?

[Chicago White Sox]

29 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said:

Wasn’t there another supposed insider named after a reliever that pitched for both the Cubs and Sox?  Steve Cishek maybe?

Yes, he got a couple things right and then also overplayed his hand a bit but was not a total fraud.  It’s clear that whomever his source was was fired as part of Getz’s first wave of layoffs.

[Bob Sacamano]

42 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said:

I hope “Bartolo’s Colonoscopy” isn’t considered a “foodie”.  🤢🤮🤣

For the ass-eaters out there maybe

[Chicago White Sox]

At this point, I say keep Robert and make a run for the last playoff spot.  It’s going to take some luck and a couple breakthrough performances on the pitching side, but I think the lineup can actually be pretty good next year if we hold onto Robert.  Maybe bring back Tauchman on the cheap and add him to the OF / DH mix, but I think there is a very talented core in place and one that is setup well against both LH & RH pitching.  Just not very excited about what I expect the Mets to offer and don’t see another obvious fit at this time.  As such, let’s roll the dice and see if the baseball gods help us luck into the playoffs.  Crazy s%*# has happened and I’m sick and tired of fucking losing.

[WestEddy]

2 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said:

At this point, I say keep Robert and make a run for the last playoff spot.  It’s going to take some luck and a couple breakthrough performances on the pitching side, but I think the lineup can actually be pretty good next year if we hold onto Robert.  Maybe bring back Tauchman on the cheap and add him to the OF / DH mix, but I think there is a very talented core in place and one that is setup well against both LH & RH pitching.  Just not very excited about what I expect the Mets to offer and don’t see another obvious fit at this time.  As such, let’s roll the dice and see if the baseball gods help us luck into the playoffs.  Crazy s%*# has happened and I’m sick and tired of fucking losing.

I agree and disagree. I'm still in the trade him camp, although the Reds looked like the best trade partner. I don't know if they match up with the Pirates or Mariners for their Comp pick. I think the Sox could get 2 WAR in CF some way, and Robert being out of the picture forces them to get creative. 

That said, Robert does fill a huge hole out there, and if he does break through in the manner he's being marketed, hoo-boy, get outta his way. 

[Chicago White Sox]

1 minute ago, WestEddy said:

I agree and disagree. I'm still in the trade him camp, although the Reds looked like the best trade partner. I don't know if they match up with the Pirates or Mariners for their Comp pick. I think the Sox could get 2 WAR in CF some way, and Robert being out of the picture forces them to get creative. 

That said, Robert does fill a huge hole out there, and if he does break through in the manner he's being marketed, hoo-boy, get outta his way. 

I’m expecting more than 2 wins from Robert next year so his loss is bigger and harder to replace in my view.  I also am a big context guy and think his value is greater than the sum of the individual parts.  Him slotting into between Colson & Murakami is fascinating to me.  Those guys all have contact issues, but if you put some high OBP guys in front of them pitchers are going to have a real hard time getting through the three of them without making a mistake.

Again, I would trade Robert for a quality return but I don’t see the Mets paying the price needed because money doesn’t mean as much to them as it would the Reds or Pirates.  And I get no joy lining Uncle Jerry’s pockets with money, so if all I can get is scraps and payroll relief, then let’s hold and make a fucking run at this thing.

[WestEddy]

10 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said:

I’m expecting more than 2 wins from Robert next year so his loss is bigger and harder to replace in my view.  I also am a big context guy and think his value is greater than the sum of the individual parts.  Him slotting into between Colson & Murakami is fascinating to me.  Those guys all have contact issues, but if you put some high OBP guys in front of them pitchers are going to have a real hard time getting through the three of them without making a mistake.

Again, I would trade Robert for a quality return but I don’t see the Mets paying the price needed because money doesn’t mean as much to them as it would the Reds or Pirates.  And I get no joy lining Uncle Jerry’s pockets with money, so if all I can get is scraps and payroll relief, then let’s hold and make a fucking run at this thing.

I think that's where we are. The league sees Robert as what he's produced in the last 2 seasons, and Getz sees him as the post ASB guy, which means he won't be dealt unless it's for a price that nobody really wants to pay. Which is fine. I look forward to the old Robert awakening and making the league rue their miserly off-season ways. 

[Bob Sacamano]

3 minutes ago, WestEddy said:

I think that's where we are. The league sees Robert as what he's produced in the last 2 seasons, and Getz sees him as the post ASB guy, which means he won't be dealt unless it's for a price that nobody really wants to pay. Which is fine. I look forward to the old Robert awakening and making the league rue their miserly off-season ways. 

Really, it’s been one month in the last 2 years.

[almagest]

I'm not a fan of trading players just to trade them, so I don't blame Getz for holding out for something useful for Robert. No reason to trade him for nothing, especially if they're eating half his salary. Not sure what the Reds were offering, but it clearly wasn't enough. See if you can get anything at the deadline if he's playing well, or just let him finish the year here and move on, or if you have nothing in CF still buy him out and give him a cheap prove it deal or pick up that last option if he's good.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

2 month rental bats don’t really bring much back. And that’s if he’s even both healthy and producing. Pretty gigantic “if.”

Edited 4 hours ago by Bob Sacamano

[almagest]

10 minutes ago, Bob Sacamano said:

2 month rental bats don’t really bring much back. And that’s if he’s even both healthy and producing. Pretty gigantic “if.”

And if teams view him this way (which it seems they do), then there's no shot they're getting anything good for him right now either, even if they eat money. So you trade him and pay $10 million of his salary and probably get nothing useful - if the best case rumors are true, where the Sox get a reclamation pitcher in the minors and a comp pick worth about $1 mil is that enough for you? It's not for me, as neither the comp pick nor a reclamation project are very likely to amount to anything. You then have a hole in CF and if it was so easy to find 1.5 to 2 WAR there in free agency or in other trades, then teams wouldn't even be talking about Robert.

[southsider2k5]

20 minutes ago, Bob Sacamano said:

2 month rental bats don’t really bring much back. And that’s if he’s even both healthy and producing. Pretty gigantic “if.”

Which is what makes this song and dance so weird.  

What we know so far is that apparently no one was willing to put a decent return out there for Robert.

We pick him up again on a one year option at 20 million, and again put a price tag much higher than his injury history and contract status valued him a few short months ago, and around we go again.

Why?  So we can get to July with him probably playing around 60% of the season, another stretch injured, and maybe a month where everything went right, so that teams can again value him as an injury riddled rental?  

We have done this for YEARS now.  Why?

[joejoesox]

5 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said:

Which is what makes this song and dance so weird.  

What we know so far is that apparently no one was willing to put a decent return out there for Robert.

We pick him up again on a one year option at 20 million, and again put a price tag much higher than his injury history and contract status valued him a few short months ago, and around we go again.

Why?  So we can get to July with him probably playing around 60% of the season, another stretch injured, and maybe a month where everything went right, so that teams can again value him as an injury riddled rental?  

We have done this for YEARS now.  Why?

reminds me of sunk cost fallacy