Chicago White Sox Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 6 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said: Just want to say, what im quoting is an actual quote from the athletic under team rankings. Nothing law said on a podcast or interview. I think your points are fine. Id argue theres been much more bad than good as it relates to his baseball moves. Im also just not sure what you would define as comes crumbling down? He's never not lost 100 games. To me, Getz offered Jerry what most GMs wouldnt/wont. To have a bottom 3-5 payroll in a major market if he gave Getz a few million for management and org overhaul. He traded 110 million for 5 million. When I say a major job of these roles is influence, I mean things like AJ Preller going to SD and convincing/motivating ownership to spend. Youre absolutely right in that Getz is an executive, but he's operating the Sox like a PE teardown where he's going lean on the player side to maximize ownership outcomes while selling a narrative of transformation. I think thats where our views diverge. Im still rooting for the team but dont understand the praise for a suit pitching a consulting transformation to copy other teams... Guy - this an absolutely insane take. Getz traded $110M for $5M? This can’t be a serious post. The team is rebuilding and only two years removed from the worst record in baseball history. Of course the payroll was going to come down. Doesn’t help that Sox also fled Comcast and started their own RSN without having a deal with carriers in place at this same exact time. That’s a Brooks Boyer & Finance issue, not a Getz one. While our spending is absolutely pathetic regardless, there is zero reason to believe it will remain at this level long-term. We have always gone cheap when rebuilding and ramped the payroll back up as the team starts winning. I think that’s a stupid approach to running a sports org, but it’s the Jerry way and has been forever. Suggesting that Getz reallocating resources to fix the broken ass foundation is somehow him running a PE strategy to drive profits for the boss is one of the most ridiculous things I have seen typed on this board in my 25 years partaking on this site. Just fucking wild someone could type this s%*#. 1 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Look at Ray Ray Run Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 3 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said: Guy - this an absolutely insane take. Getz traded $110M for $5M? This can’t be a serious post. The team is rebuilding and only two years removed from the worst record in baseball history. Of course the payroll was going to come down. Doesn’t help that Sox also fled Comcast and started their own RSN without having a deal with carriers in place at this same exact time. That’s a Brooks Boyer & Finance issue, not a Getz one. While our spending is absolutely pathetic regardless, there is zero reason to believe it will remain at this level long-term. We have always gone cheap when rebuilding and ramped the payroll back up as the team starts winning. I think that’s a stupid approach to running a sports org, but it’s the Jerry way and has been forever. Suggesting that Getz reallocating resources to fix the broken ass foundation is somehow him running a PE strategy to drive profits for the boss is one of the most ridiculous things I have seen typed on this board in my 25 years partaking on this site. Just fucking wild someone could type this s%*#. Yes, Getz offered Jerry what he wanted. Big savings in return for an uptick in marginal spending. That's how he sold the job in my opinion. "We have always gone cheap when rebuilding and ramped the payroll back up as the team starts winning." Relative to league revenues and spending, this is the cheapest the organization has ever been under Jerry. It's not as if the Sox have gone through a lot of "rebuilds" either. I get your OK with the operations of the team. We'll agree to disagree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 2 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said: Yes, Getz offered Jerry what he wanted. Big savings in return for an uptick in marginal spending. That's how he sold the job in my opinion. "We have always gone cheap when rebuilding and ramped the payroll back up as the team starts winning." Relative to league revenues and spending, this is the cheapest the organization has ever been under Jerry. It's not as if the Sox have gone through a lot of "rebuilds" either. I get your OK with the operations of the team. We'll agree to disagree. I’m not ok with the operations of the team. Literally just said this level of spending is fucking ridiculous. I just don’t blame the lead baseball decision maker for the poor business decisions Jerry & Boyer are making. And I certainly won’t make up conspiracy theories that suggest Getz is somehow complicit in a scheme to make Jerry more money at the expense of his ability to build a winning baseball team. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Look at Ray Ray Run Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 2 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said: I’m not ok with the operations of the team. Literally just said this level of spending is fucking ridiculous. I just don’t blame the lead baseball decision maker for the poor business decisions Jerry & Boyer are making. And I certainly won’t make up conspiracy theories that suggest Getz is somehow complicit in a scheme to make Jerry more money at the expense of his ability to build a winning baseball team. It's crazy to me to think Getz has no say or influence over the baseball budget that he manages. That's not how a single organization I've ever seen operate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 6 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said: It's crazy to me to think Getz has no say or influence over the baseball budget that he manages. That's not how a single organization I've ever seen operate. I’m sure he presents options of what he could accomplish at varying levels of resource, but it’s not his call and Jerry will always protect the bottom line first & foremost unless the team is at the peak of its competitive window. We have years of history to support this. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 25 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said: It's crazy to me to think Getz has no say or influence over the baseball budget that he manages. That's not how a single organization I've ever seen operate. It is exactly why Jerry has never been willing to have a President of baseball operations like almost every other franchise in baseball. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted February 4 Share Posted February 4 3 hours ago, T R U said: Those are not really comparable scenarios. There is a very big difference between trying to plug a hole on a contending team and trying to plug a hole on a rebuilding team. There was nothing wrong with the James Shields trade at the time, but in hindsight it was absolutely horrific. The guys you named that Getz acquired were waiver claims, released players, or nothing trades. The things wrong with it at the time was that once it failed , which was only 6 months when the rebuild started , keeping Tatis likely happens. Then there's Preller vs Hahn. Preller was a guy who understood the value of an athletic SS especially one with bloodlines and Hahn was not if you look at his drafts after the rebuild started. But the Sox were clueless to what other GMs already knew. In the drafts since Getz 1st year as Asst. GM to now 3 of the 5 top picks have been SS and likely will be 4 out of 6 next year. I know that's the difference between Hostetler and Shirley but it's also a difference in organization philosophy that's continued under Getz. I doubt Hostetler or Shirley had complete autonomy on draft day . It seems more likely to me that Hahn or KW were more likely to overule a decision than Getz is based on Getz allowing more people a voice in the process. Getz didnt hire Shirley but he's hired more people concerned with data, signing ,drafting & development. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted February 4 Share Posted February 4 2 hours ago, Chicago White Sox said: I’m not ok with the operations of the team. Literally just said this level of spending is fucking ridiculous. I just don’t blame the lead baseball decision maker for the poor business decisions Jerry & Boyer are making. And I certainly won’t make up conspiracy theories that suggest Getz is somehow complicit in a scheme to make Jerry more money at the expense of his ability to build a winning baseball team. Honestly the lengths some these guys go through to bash Getz or people hired by him is borderline libel or slander and malicious . The other one being that Bannister/Katz were somehow responsible for all the TJ surgeries last year. Only on Soxtalk do you find these things. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestEddy Posted February 4 Share Posted February 4 1 hour ago, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said: Honestly the lengths some these guys go through to bash Getz or people hired by him is borderline libel or slander and malicious . The other one being that Bannister/Katz were somehow responsible for all the TJ surgeries last year. Only on Soxtalk do you find these things. Or how the "front office" told some nobody to reach out to Liptak and tell him that Katz used to be called a name in SF so they could trash him out the door. But you're gas-lighting if you roll your eyes and push back. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lip Man 1 Posted February 4 Share Posted February 4 (edited) 6 hours ago, WestEddy said: Or how the "front office" told some nobody to reach out to Liptak and tell him that Katz used to be called a name in SF so they could trash him out the door. But you're gas-lighting if you roll your eyes and push back. Excuse me but once again my sources weren't nobody's in the Sox organization or the media. You can certainly think that if you wish but you'd be wrong. And I find your comment insulting. I'm nobody's f#$%^&* stooge. Edited February 4 by Lip Man 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted February 4 Share Posted February 4 (edited) 4 hours ago, WestEddy said: Or how the "front office" told some nobody to reach out to Liptak and tell him that Katz used to be called a name in SF so they could trash him out the door. But you're gas-lighting if you roll your eyes and push back. I find it funny that we have heard numerous stories over the years from legitimate sources about how dysfunctional Jerry’s organization has been run but you would question a poster on this site that has done interviews and obviously has sources of his own. Sure, not every story is going to be true but we know of plenty that are. The only thing that will clean the s%*# stains off of this organization that were left by Jerry will be when he finally sells the team. Edited February 4 by WhiteSox2023 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted February 4 Share Posted February 4 9 hours ago, WhiteSox2023 said: I find it funny that we have heard numerous stories over the years from legitimate sources about how dysfunctional Jerry’s organization has been run but you would question a poster on this site that has done interviews and obviously has sources of his own. Sure, not every story is going to be true but we know of plenty that are. The only thing that will clean the s%*# stains off of this organization that were left by Jerry will be when he finally sells the team. Technically ,if you pay attention to Lip, it'll be his son's selling the team after JR passes away. And I have always believed that to be true based on what @Lip Man 1 has said. Ishbia is suppossed to get controlling interest between 2029 and 2034. What happens if JR is still around after the 2034 season ends ? He'd be well into his 98th year by that point. And what if his sons decide not to sell the Sox ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestEddy Posted February 4 Share Posted February 4 11 hours ago, WhiteSox2023 said: I find it funny that we have heard numerous stories over the years from legitimate sources about how dysfunctional Jerry’s organization has been run but you would question a poster on this site that has done interviews and obviously has sources of his own. Sure, not every story is going to be true but we know of plenty that are. The only thing that will clean the s%*# stains off of this organization that were left by Jerry will be when he finally sells the team. I didn't mean to imply that Mr. Liptak is anything but a very good reporter who had a legitimate conversation with a person in the organization. My comment was about how everything gets framed as Reinsdorf directing a coordinated effort to trash every person who leaves and actually has nothing to do with Mr. Liptak. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tray Posted February 4 Share Posted February 4 (edited) Any business, whether in mlb or otherwise, will risk bankruptcy or at least, serious financial issues in the future by routinely spending in excess of what their revenues can support. Multi / mega million deferred player contracts are a recipe for disaster for teams like the WSox whose historical revenue figures cannot be reasonably projected to meet wildly projected liabilities. These limitations have nothing to do with Jerry Reinsdorf but they are governed by the degree of revenue from all sources that the WSox take in and the liabilities they have. I sense that many of those who complain about the WSox budget for player contracts probably don't go to many games or otherwise support the team.....and I have to say, I wonder if they will even root for Jerry's boys to win. They do however, contribute to a bad vibe around the WSox that radiates here and beyond. Edited February 4 by tray Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted February 4 Share Posted February 4 19 minutes ago, WestEddy said: I didn't mean to imply that Mr. Liptak is anything but a very good reporter who had a legitimate conversation with a person in the organization. My comment was about how everything gets framed as Reinsdorf directing a coordinated effort to trash every person who leaves and actually has nothing to do with Mr. Liptak. The irony of you trashing Lip's reputation here isn't lost. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted February 4 Share Posted February 4 42 minutes ago, tray said: Any business, whether in mlb or otherwise, will risk bankruptcy or at least, serious financial issues in the future by routinely spending in excess of what their revenues can support. Multi / mega million deferred player contracts are a recipe for disaster for teams like the WSox whose historical revenue figures cannot be reasonably projected to meet wildly projected liabilities. These limitations have nothing to do with Jerry Reinsdorf but they are governed by the degree of revenue from all sources that the WSox take in and the liabilities they have. I sense that many of those who complain about the WSox budget for player contracts probably don't go to many games or otherwise support the team.....and I have to say, I wonder if they will even root for Jerry's boys to win. They do however, contribute to a bad vibe around the WSox that radiates here and beyond. JFC are you one pathetic Reinsdorf shill. Never fucking call people’s fandom into question for challenging the dumb business decisions of this org you ignorant f***. 1 2 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lip Man 1 Posted February 4 Share Posted February 4 2 hours ago, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said: Technically ,if you pay attention to Lip, it'll be his son's selling the team after JR passes away. And I have always believed that to be true based on what @Lip Man 1 has said. Ishbia is suppossed to get controlling interest between 2029 and 2034. What happens if JR is still around after the 2034 season ends ? He'd be well into his 98th year by that point. And what if his sons decide not to sell the Sox ? If I remember right Ishbia gains the first option to get the team at a certain date. That would negate the if JR is still alive factor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lukakke Appling Posted February 4 Share Posted February 4 36 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said: JFC are you one pathetic Reinsdorf shill. Never fucking call people’s fandom into question for challenging the dumb business decisions of this org you ignorant f***. Do you even go to games, bro? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baron Posted February 4 Share Posted February 4 and this just keeps going on and on...and the mods...well 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted February 4 Share Posted February 4 1 hour ago, tray said: Any business, whether in mlb or otherwise, will risk bankruptcy or at least, serious financial issues in the future by routinely spending in excess of what their revenues can support. Multi / mega million deferred player contracts are a recipe for disaster for teams like the WSox whose historical revenue figures cannot be reasonably projected to meet wildly projected liabilities. These limitations have nothing to do with Jerry Reinsdorf but they are governed by the degree of revenue from all sources that the WSox take in and the liabilities they have. I sense that many of those who complain about the WSox budget for player contracts probably don't go to many games or otherwise support the team.....and I have to say, I wonder if they will even root for Jerry's boys to win. They do however, contribute to a bad vibe around the WSox that radiates here and beyond. Yes, all teams have budgets. But last I checked, the White Sox reside in a large market and still have the smallest largest contract among ALL 30 MLB teams — Benintendi at 5-years, $75 million. I’m not sure why you apparently think Sox fans can’t be Sox fans without supporting a terrible owner. Just like how some Sox fans have the right to defend Jerry, the overwhelming majority of Sox fans also have the right to be upset with one of the worst owners in baseball. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted February 4 Share Posted February 4 1 minute ago, WhiteSox2023 said: Yes, all teams have budgets. But last I checked, the White Sox reside in a large market and still have the smallest largest contract among ALL 30 MLB teams — Benintendi at 5-years, $75 million. I’m not sure why you apparently think Sox fans can’t be Sox fans without supporting a terrible owner. Just like how some Sox fans have the right to defend Jerry, the overwhelming majority of Sox fans also have the right to be upset with one of the worst owners in baseball. Luckily by never agreeing to one of those highly risky nine figure contracts, the Sox have avoided going bankrupt unlike the other 29 organizations!! 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Springfield Soxfan Posted Friday at 06:50 PM Share Posted Friday at 06:50 PM My apologies if I missed it but did Iriarte and Romo clear waivers? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestEddy Posted Friday at 06:55 PM Share Posted Friday at 06:55 PM 6 minutes ago, Springfield Soxfan said: My apologies if I missed it but did Iriarte and Romo clear waivers? Nothing reported, yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Springfield Soxfan Posted Friday at 07:15 PM Share Posted Friday at 07:15 PM 21 minutes ago, WestEddy said: Nothing reported, yet. Thanks, did not miss anything. I thought it was like 48-72 hours. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted Friday at 07:19 PM Share Posted Friday at 07:19 PM 5 minutes ago, Springfield Soxfan said: Thanks, did not miss anything. I thought it was like 48-72 hours. I think a week 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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