White Sox acquired RHPs Jordan Hicks and David Sandlin from BOS

[ptatc]

5 minutes ago, Baron said:

It's not your fault. Just the usual suspects plus a mod that have their ears perk up like a german sheppard if something positive is uttered and here we go down memory lane. 

Yeah but I fall for it like clickbait 

[WestEddy]

1 hour ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said:

He lost the 4th most games in baseball history over a three year span and made horrible trades and signings as gm, was in charge of one of the worst minor league systems in baseball, and did nothing but agree with the owner moving towards historic cheapness.

Dude, he was only GM for 2 of those seasons. 

[CaliSoxFanViaSWside]

2 hours ago, ptatc said:

I don't think anyone is doing victory laps. I think most say its improving but is still bad. They were all positive moves. Building through development takes time. There really isn't an alternative when they have a restrictive budget.

Exactly most who praise Getz add the caveat " under the cirumstances" like Robert Murray just did. 

It's coming from a lot of places from respected media members. They might be just talking heads but Ill take their unbiased opinions over the hurt feelings of some Sox fans feigning fairness any time. Oh i do love alliteration ! Could have thrown an extra F word in there but too harsh.

 

[CaliSoxFanViaSWside]

21 minutes ago, WestEddy said:

Dude, he was only GM for 2 of those seasons. 

And the spiral down had already started. Plus it seems obvious to me that Getz likely felt powerless and lacking information in his previous jobs since he's been  building the infrastruture to support the acquisition of the highest qualify youth possible through data , scouts, coaching, communication, culture & tech. 

Edited February 2 by CaliSoxFanViaSWside

[CaliSoxFanViaSWside]

2 hours ago, southsider2k5 said:

Luckily no one associated with the team now played any part in that.

Yup would hate to think something as lowbrow  as guilt by association exists here.

[southsider2k5]

Good god, can we not ruin every single thread when someone dares to question Chris Getz?  

[Chick Mercedes]

3 hours ago, Baron said:

It's not your fault. Just the usual suspects plus a mod that have their ears perk up like a german sheppard if something positive is uttered and here we go down memory lane. 

Nah. Positive comments are fine. People were called out for questioning Getz

[Chicago White Sox]

7 hours ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said:

Take it up with Keith.

He addresses the graduating prospects. He also agrees the system should be better. 

I'm not going to repeat everything we've been discussing for the past three years, but i obviously agree with Keith. Getz didnt do his homework for 2 years and now he's doing it but at a C level. I'm not going to applaud that. People are thrilled about a team with a 66ish win forecast. Couldn't be me.

Maybe it works out, because randomness is what makes baseball great, but Getz hasn't reinvented anything here. 

I'm not going to get into you claiming he's a better GM than Kenny Williams. 

Better GM than KW in the modern era where analytics and biometrics reign king.  KW was a fantastic scout and great GM when scouting was the name of the game.  As soon as the sport modernized, KW was completely exposed as an executive.  I’m not sure how this is even debatable.  The White Sox org he left behind was perhaps the most inept sports club in Big Four history.

[CaliSoxFanViaSWside]

9 hours ago, southsider2k5 said:

Good god, can we not ruin every single thread when someone dares to question Chris Getz?  

Its like any other hot topic so who you want to censor now.Only you are allowed your opinion ?

[T R U]

14 hours ago, Chicago White Sox said:

You don’t automatically fire everyone simply because they were part of the previous regime.  Plenty of smart, talented people have worked for extremely poor leaders.  Everything should be evaluated on a case by case basis.

No, he should have been fired. When you’re responsible for player development and no one develops, you shouldn’t keep your job much less get promoted when they decide to clean house. We’re not talking about a good scout who the GM ignored here. 

[PaleAleSox]

11 minutes ago, T R U said:

No, he should have been fired. When you’re responsible for player development and no one develops, you shouldn’t keep your job much less get promoted when they decide to clean house. We’re not talking about a good scout who the GM ignored here. 

This is the only thing I’ll say about it (again), but if you were in “charge” of something but then change the entire process and how resources work when you are ACTUALLY in charge of it, then you probably weren’t really in charge the first time. 

[Chicago White Sox]

21 minutes ago, PaleAleSox said:

This is the only thing I’ll say about it (again), but if you were in “charge” of something but then change the entire process and how resources work when you are ACTUALLY in charge of it, then you probably weren’t really in charge the first time. 

Exactly this.  Everyone’s performance is impacted by the budget and resource they are given.  The player development function was certainly bad under Getz, but is that because he had no idea what to do or is it because KW & Hahn wouldn’t let him modernize the infrastructure?  Just fascinating that as soon as he took over the org, he invested in data and technology.  Also interesting that despite bad outcomes in his previous area, he was able to convince Jerry he had a plan for figuring out the org.  Sure feels like a dude who was held back by his leadership team.  Not justifying that means Getz should have been promoted to GM, but I think it’s unfair to assume he should have been fired based on outcomes alone when we know this org was rotten to its core under KW & Hahn.

[Look at Ray Ray Run]

1 hour ago, T R U said:

No, he should have been fired. When you’re responsible for player development and no one develops, you shouldn’t keep your job much less get promoted when they decide to clean house. We’re not talking about a good scout who the GM ignored here. 

Yes, and a huge part of the leadership roles Getz sat in is influence and having influence. Its a failure on him to have failures and simply blame those above him. Now his job is to influence ownership into investing in the roster and hes been a disaster there too.

I said what I said though and dont want to derail the thread. 

Edited February 3 by Look at Ray Ray Run

[Chicago White Sox]

38 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said:

Yes, and a huge part of the leadership roles Getz sat in is influence and having influence. Its a failure on him to have failures and simply blame those above him. Now his job is to influence ownership into investing in the roster and hes been a disaster there too.

I said what I said though and dont want to derail the thread. 

No idea what you’re referring to here, but Getz has nothing to do with setting the overall budget (that’s 100% on Brooks, Finance, & Jerry).

[T R U]

2 hours ago, Chicago White Sox said:

Exactly this.  Everyone’s performance is impacted by the budget and resource they are given.  The player development function was certainly bad under Getz, but is that because he had no idea what to do or is it because KW & Hahn wouldn’t let him modernize the infrastructure?  Just fascinating that as soon as he took over the org, he invested in data and technology.  Also interesting that despite bad outcomes in his previous area, he was able to convince Jerry he had a plan for figuring out the org.  Sure feels like a dude who was held back by his leadership team.  Not justifying that means Getz should have been promoted to GM, but I think it’s unfair to assume he should have been fired based on outcomes alone when we know this org was rotten to its core under KW & Hahn.

The point is, this organization had cratered and the proper thing to do at that point was clean house and do an actual search to bring in the right people to get the ship headed in the right direction. 

I really don't think that's unfair at all. It's unfair to the fanbase more than anything. 

[WestEddy]

3 minutes ago, T R U said:

The point is, this organization had cratered and the proper thing to do at that point was clean house and do an actual search to bring in the right people to get the ship headed in the right direction. 

Nobody's arguing that they shouldn't have done that. Everybody couches their arguments with "I didn't want Getz" or "Getz shouldn't have been hired in the first place". Part of the illogical part for me is that while they should have cleaned house, Getz wasn't glaringly responsible for what he inherited. They developed the top prospects. The Sox didn't have the coaching or trainers in place to keep them on the field in top shape. 

That Getz didn't get fired along with Hahn and KW isn't an argument that he should have been fired. Some like to frame it as Getz snitching and blaming, but he most probably laid out a plan for what needed to happen going forward, and he seems to be clicking off a list. I don't get this obsession with portraying him as a painfully stupid failure. Nothing worked in 2024. processes started working in 2025. 

[southsider2k5]

5 hours ago, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said:

Its like any other hot topic so who you want to censor now.Only you are allowed your opinion ?

And this is exactly why Soxtalk has gotten to where it has.

[T R U]

11 minutes ago, WestEddy said:

Nobody's arguing that they shouldn't have done that. Everybody couches their arguments with "I didn't want Getz" or "Getz shouldn't have been hired in the first place". Part of the illogical part for me is that while they should have cleaned house, Getz wasn't glaringly responsible for what he inherited. They developed the top prospects. The Sox didn't have the coaching or trainers in place to keep them on the field in top shape. 

That Getz didn't get fired along with Hahn and KW isn't an argument that he should have been fired. Some like to frame it as Getz snitching and blaming, but he most probably laid out a plan for what needed to happen going forward, and he seems to be clicking off a list. I don't get this obsession with portraying him as a painfully stupid failure. Nothing worked in 2024. processes started working in 2025. 

Im not accusing anybody of wanting Getz to be the GM, I am just generally speaking that when you have a failed rebuild it is incredible rare that you hire from within to lead the next rebuild.

[CaliSoxFanViaSWside]

11 hours ago, Chick Mercedes said:

Nah. Positive comments are fine. People were called out for questioning Getz

The term victory lap was applied to the people praising Getz so it was the anti Getz doing the poking at the opposite side. 

We can have our opinions without denigrading opposite opinions .No GM is perfect and many things are out of his control. Hes tried to build an infrastuture to carty the team foward into the next owner based on empowering everyone with information. Sdems rather noble to me. Theres a kind of harmony throughout the organization now that has a lot to do the purity of being genuinely positive and caring about building something. A lot of people are starting to see that and they feel good about it. It isnt just the Rick and Kenny Show. 

A similar improvement to last year will get the Sox within spitting distance of .500. Step by step rebuild ,still without much of a player payroll.

 

[Baron]

14 hours ago, southsider2k5 said:

Good god, can we not ruin every single thread when someone dares to question Chris Getz?  

[T R U]

5 minutes ago, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said:

The term victory lap was applied to the people praising Getz so it was the anti Getz doing the poking at the opposite side. 

We can have our opinions without denigrading opposite opinions .No GM is perfect and many things are out of his control. Hes tried to build an infrastuture to carty the team foward into the next owner based on empowering everyone with information. Sdems rather noble to me. Theres a kind of harmony throughout the organization now that has a lot to do the purity of being genuinely positive and caring about building something. A lot of people are starting to see that and they feel good about it. It isnt just the Rick and Kenny Show. 

A similar improvement to last year will get the Sox within spitting distance of .500. Step by step rebuild ,still without much of a player payroll.

 

You need to take last years improvement with a grain of salt, they were coming off the worst season in baseball history. This season is where you will actually see what kind of improvement is happening. 

[Lukakke Appling]

 

20 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said:

And this is exactly why Soxtalk has gotten to where it has.

This lack of self awareness is something else. 

[CaliSoxFanViaSWside]

3 hours ago, T R U said:

No, he should have been fired. When you’re responsible for player development and no one develops, you shouldn’t keep your job much less get promoted when they decide to clean house. We’re not talking about a good scout who the GM ignored here. 

But he wasn't so maybe start seeing what he's doing instead of what you think should have been done because he was a pawn in a toxic and backwards power structure. 

Hes still a pawn of JR but building a foundation to build a better workplace to enable the people he hired to have a voice is good.

We are seeing coaches and administrators all over podcasts now. Didn't see much of that before. And they all seem to be singing the same song about believing in what we're doing and trying to build a winning environment and supporting these fine young men. 

[T R U]

7 minutes ago, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said:

But he wasn't so maybe start seeing what he's doing instead of what you think should have been done because he was a pawn in a toxic and backwards power structure. 

Hes still a pawn of JR but building a foundation to build a better workplace to enable the people he hired to have a voice is good.

We are seeing coaches and administrators all over podcasts now. Didn't see much of that before. And they all seem to be singing the same song about believing in what we're doing and trying to build a winning environment and supporting these fine young men. 

You're right, he wasn't. I have no choice but to hope he works out, doesn't mean I can't be critical of the decision making that led us here. 

[CaliSoxFanViaSWside]

14 minutes ago, T R U said:

You need to take last years improvement with a grain of salt, they were coming off the worst season in baseball history. This season is where you will actually see what kind of improvement is happening. 

Oh I do and I also know its an uphill battle without much of a playroll  so you have to keep that in mind.

Last years Pythagorean victory total was 71 wins. Someone correct me if I'm remembering that wrong.

2024 the Pythagoresn victory total was also higher and some people used that to bet on the over  and make money.  The line this year is 65.5 wins . It'll probably be higher before opening day barring another rash of TJ injuries or something equally catastrophic.