The Sox could have hired one of the best GM candidates or a schlub from the street, and the overall results would be the same. There is almost no money afforded a GM to do anything meaningful. From what we've read, JR had to be convinced signing Mune was a good idea, and they signed him for a bargain. Granted, an experienced GM would have done better with some trades, but the Sox just didn't have much to offer aside from Cease and Crochet. The Cease deal was really bad, but the Crochet deal looks better, with the true value still to be seen. No one really liked the Vargas deal when it happened, but he's turning into a solid piece.

Regardless, I would be beyond surprised if Getz has a job once Ishbia takes over.

As of now, it has to be being bad enough to land the #1 pick and getting Roch.

11 minutes ago, T R U said:

As of now, it has to be being bad enough to land the #1 pick and getting Roch.

He hasn't picked him yet.

11 minutes ago, hogan873 said:

The Sox could have hired one of the best GM candidates or a schlub from the street, and the overall results would be the same. There is almost no money afforded a GM to do anything meaningful. From what we've read, JR had to be convinced signing Mune was a good idea, and they signed him for a bargain. Granted, an experienced GM would have done better with some trades, but the Sox just didn't have much to offer aside from Cease and Crochet. The Cease deal was really bad, but the Crochet deal looks better, with the true value still to be seen. No one really liked the Vargas deal when it happened, but he's turning into a solid piece.

Regardless, I would be beyond surprised if Getz has a job once Ishbia takes over.

https://sportshandle.com/mlb-cost-per-win/

The money has been there from 2011-2023.

Pretty much dead middle of the pack at spending per win.

2024-25 make the numbers look a bit better....but even those tecord low twin totals are offset by lower payrolls.

Mostly big market playoff teams on top...Rockies also stand out for wasting a lot of money. Small market/highly efficient teams proliferate at the bottom.

19 minutes ago, caulfield12 said:

https://sportshandle.com/mlb-cost-per-win/

The money has been there from 2011-2023.

Pretty much dead middle of the pack at spending per win.

2024-25 make the numbers look a bit better....but even those tecord low twin totals are offset by lower payrolls.

Mostly big market playoff teams on top...Rockies also stand out for wasting a lot of money. Small market/highly efficient teams proliferate at the bottom.

Right. There was a lot of money spent on the wrong players in the past (remember the friends and family plan to woo Machado?). But in the past few years, the purse strings have been very tight.

35 minutes ago, wegner said:

He hasn't picked him yet.

That's true, but barring something drastic it would be absolute insanity to not pick him.

16 minutes ago, T R U said:

That's true, but barring something drastic it would be absolute insanity to not pick him.

100% agree with you...but until it's done.

29 minutes ago, hogan873 said:

Right. There was a lot of money spent on the wrong players in the past (remember the friends and family plan to woo Machado?). But in the past few years, the purse strings have been very tight.

That unprecedented financial flexibility led to unprecedented piles of crap.

I do often wonder if there is an alternate universe where they did sign Harper and Wheeler does come here and is Soxtalk happier in that universe?

2 hours ago, WBWSF said:

I've said it before and i will say it again, the major objective of this management team is to have a low payroll. A low payroll is more important than winning games.

Can't argue with that especially with the labor situation coming up starting in December although you could make the case JR's philosophy of "fiscal responsibility" (his words) dates back to the mid 1980's.

45 minutes ago, wegner said:

That unprecedented financial flexibility led to unprecedented piles of crap.

I do often wonder if there is an alternate universe where they did sign Harper and Wheeler does come here and is Soxtalk happier in that universe?

Doubtful. There would be arguments about Harper's hair (is it perfectly quaffed under that helmet?) that leak to Harper, and his performance plummets as he focuses only on his hair. Wheeler would pitch well, but his wife leaves him to move to the east coast. Soxtalk implodes when Wheeler has one bad outing. He quits baseball, and inexplicably sends a shoutout to Drake LaRoche on his way out the door.

Getz's biggest accomplishments....

Going on Podcasts with people like McGuffy & Kap and others and gloating about his process for the organization and then losing 119 games and 100 games. 👏👏

2 hours ago, hogan873 said:

The Sox could have hired one of the best GM candidates or a schlub from the street, and the overall results would be the same. There is almost no money afforded a GM to do anything meaningful. From what we've read, JR had to be convinced signing Mune was a good idea, and they signed him for a bargain. Granted, an experienced GM would have done better with some trades, but the Sox just didn't have much to offer aside from Cease and Crochet. The Cease deal was really bad, but the Crochet deal looks better, with the true value still to be seen. No one really liked the Vargas deal when it happened, but he's turning into a solid piece.

Regardless, I would be beyond surprised if Getz has a job once Ishbia takes over.

This is nonsense. There are multiple front offices throughout baseball succeeding on very small budgets.

His biggest accomplishment is ushering in quarter zips.

2 hours ago, wegner said:

That unprecedented financial flexibility led to unprecedented piles of crap.

I do often wonder if there is an alternate universe where they did sign Harper and Wheeler does come here and is Soxtalk happier in that universe?

Include Hinch instead of TLR and I would subscribe to your newsletter

2 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said:

Include Hinch instead of TLR and I would subscribe to your newsletter

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Edited Thursday at 05:27 PM2 days by wegner
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1 hour ago, Lip Man 1 said:

Can't argue with that especially with the labor situation coming up starting in December although you could make the case JR's philosophy of "fiscal responsibility" (his words) dates back to the mid 1980's.

I lived thru past White Sox ownerships that were going broke {John Allyn and Bill Veeck) but this is a much different situation with JR. He's not broke and he's a multi billionaire. How much more money does he need? Most people couldn't spend what he's worth. This has to be one of the most shameful things in Chicago Sports history.

1 hour ago, Lip Man 1 said:

Can't argue with that especially with the labor situation coming up starting in December although you could make the case JR's philosophy of "fiscal responsibility" (his words) dates back to the mid 198

3 hours ago, wegner said:

That unprecedented financial flexibility led to unprecedented piles of crap.

I do often wonder if there is an alternate universe where they did sign Harper and Wheeler does come here and is Soxtalk happier in that universe?

their careers would die a quick death........any agent knows that along with players

yet some foolishly think if you pay them enough they would join this team

Edited Thursday at 06:58 PM2 days by kitekrazy

2 minutes ago, kitekrazy said:

their careers would die a quick death........any agent knows that along with players

yet some foolish think if you pay them enough they would join this team

Tatis and Semien staying with the Sox, along with Chris Bassitt...

Then you have Lopez Gio Sale Q Crochet Rodon Cease.

Edited Thursday at 06:59 PM2 days by caulfield12

4 minutes ago, caulfield12 said:

Tatis and Semien staying with the Sox, along with Chris Bassitt...

Then you have Lopez Gio Sale Q Crochet Rodon Cease.

That 7 man rotation will stay strong for the playoff run!!!

1 hour ago, wegner said:

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2 minutes ago, wegner said:

Needs a cigar in the other hand.

2 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said:

Needs a cigar in the other hand.

Dr said he needed to quit or he'd never make it to 150.

1 hour ago, WBWSF said:

I lived thru past White Sox ownerships that were going broke {John Allyn and Bill Veeck) but this is a much different situation with JR. He's not broke and he's a multi billionaire. How much more money does he need? Most people couldn't spend what he's worth. This has to be one of the most shameful things in Chicago Sports history.

Since we're making Mr. Burns posts here. Monty himself has your answer:

2 hours ago, WBWSF said:

I lived thru past White Sox ownerships that were going broke {John Allyn and Bill Veeck) but this is a much different situation with JR. He's not broke and he's a multi billionaire. How much more money does he need? Most people couldn't spend what he's worth. This has to be one of the most shameful things in Chicago Sports history.

I don't mean to defend Jerry Reinsdorf in any way, but my understanding is that he's a billionaire mostly because of illiquid assets that he has, including the White Sox, Bulls, and part of the United Center. Oh, don't get me wrong, I'm sure he lives a comfortable luxurious life and is far from broke and his children are surely set for life. But it's not like he has $1B sitting around ready to be cashed. If he did, he wouldn't have to pull in Ishbia right now to pay off their existing debt.

The team is dead last in revenue (thanks to his poor stewardship) and he's going to spend on the franchise accordingly.

I just wish he'd decide age 90 is a good time to retire and just sell controlling interest to the team to the Ishbias as soon as the labor issue is settled instead of 2029 at the earliest.