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    Biggest needs right now are a TOR starter, RP depth, and a CF (although Peters is doing a fine job). I think we can augment the bullpen at the deadline for a low cost. A legit SP or CF, however, wil

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    No rush to do anything imo. Just enjoy the ride.

At very least they should see if they can get any decent players by taking on some salary to minimize the prospects they need to give up. There's gotta be some teams that want to shed salary.

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2 minutes ago, ron883 said:

At very least they should see if they can get any decent players by taking on some salary to minimize the prospects they need to give up. There's gotta be some teams that want to shed salary.

It all depends on the most important thing, what will JR allow Getz to do?

Literally it all comes down to that decision.

The baseball media pushes buying as the thing for contenders to do - that they must do. . But buying is a losing proposition....well-heeled teams (budget and farm) can absorb those losses. Sox cannot.
You can't force things. Be open to good deals.

Got a good month + before you even should be thinking about it. And it's all without Murakami. They're not buying .

This team still has a lot of roster churn in it .They've had too many injuries and the young arms have not progressed as hoped.

Love the progress but no reason whatsoever to sell off your minor leaguers unless it's for other minor leaguers.

They might sell off Dominquez , Hays if they can or even Grichuk or Kay but not many starting pitchers to call up left.

Kay signed 2 years with a $10M 2028 option . He might be worth keeping.

16 minutes ago, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said:

Got a good month + before you even should be thinking about it. And it's all without Murakami. They're not buying .

This team still has a lot of roster churn in it .They've had too many injuries and the young arms have not progressed as hoped.

Love the progress but no reason whatsoever to sell off your minor leaguers unless it's for other minor leaguers.

They might sell off Dominquez , Hays if they can or even Grichuk or Kay but not many starting pitchers to call up left.

Kay signed 2 years with a $10M 2028 option . He might be worth keeping.

How many mutual options have been picked up by both parties when the player has a strong FA year though?

3-5%?

34 minutes ago, GreenSox said:

The baseball media pushes buying as the thing for contenders to do - that they must do. . But buying is a losing proposition....well-heeled teams (budget and farm) can absorb those losses. Sox cannot.
You can't force things. Be open to good deals.

And unless you're trading the farm for a dominant pitcher on a heater, it's a coin flip. The Sox don't need an infielder. They have a catcher coming back from the IL. They have a rookie RF who may earn a promotion. They have a slew of starting pitching options coming back from the IL. Maybe they'd trade for a closer. Will anyone out there be better than Grant Taylor?

Of course, with the upcoming lockout, we're told we may not see professional baseball again in the next 16-17 years. By the time they start playing baseball again, they might have to teach everyone the game again from scratch, because this is a reallllly scary lockout coming. So the Sox might have to push in all their chips to win the only World Series that will be played in any of these players' playable lifetimes.

1 minute ago, WestEddy said:

And unless you're trading the farm for a dominant pitcher on a heater, it's a coin flip. The Sox don't need an infielder. They have a catcher coming back from the IL. They have a rookie RF who may earn a promotion. They have a slew of starting pitching options coming back from the IL. Maybe they'd trade for a closer. Will anyone out there be better than Grant Taylor?

Of course, with the upcoming lockout, we're told we may not see professional baseball again in the next 16-17 years. By the time they start playing baseball again, they might have to teach everyone the game again from scratch, because this is a reallllly scary lockout coming. So the Sox might have to push in all their chips to win the only World Series that will be played in any of these players' playable lifetimes.

Regardless, big market teams will be buying all the way up until the last day of November unless they really have legit reasons to believe there will be a hard cap...with significant enough penalties to deter them.

4 minutes ago, caulfield12 said:

Regardless, big market teams will be buying all the way up until the last day of November unless they really have legit reasons to believe there will be a hard cap...with significant enough penalties to deter them.

1) there won't be a cap
2) if there's a cap, it will be grandfathered in over time
3) there won't be a cap

1 minute ago, WestEddy said:

1) there won't be a cap
2) if there's a cap, it will be grandfathered in over time
3) there won't be a cap

So why all the talk from the bottom 18 teams about not doing anything until they know exactly what the future financial conditions will look like?

That's a lot of excuse making.

Bit it's not like there are more than 8-10 players that everyone will be fighting for in FA.

It's not even a sure thing anymore that Skubal will get $300+ million at this point.

Edited by caulfield12

The only buy candidates (outside of relievers) I can think of that make sense (without obliterating the team's young assets) are Sandy Alcantara to reinforce the rotation or, if he actually hits the market, Mike Trout to solidify center field and add vet leadership / more star power.

It's a shame that so many SP trade candidates are from the AL Central

5 minutes ago, Quin said:

The only buy candidates (outside of relievers) I can think of that make sense (without obliterating the team's young assets) are Sandy Alcantara to reinforce the rotation or, if he actually hits the market, Mike Trout to solidify center field and add vet leadership / more star power.

It's a shame that so many SP trade candidates are from the AL CentraI

Is Wacha Lugo or Flaherty even worth it???

Just depends on the asking price.

Don't have enough trade chips for Joe Ryan...

Robbie Ray would likely be out of the budget.

spotrac.com

Current Starting Pitcher Trade Candidates

Tracking the reported trade candidates for the Starting Pitcher, including cash remaining if traded today and at the trade deadline.
2 hours ago, caulfield12 said:

How many mutual options have been picked up by both parties when the player has a strong FA year though?

3-5%?

Usually none, but which mutual option are you referring to? Kay is under contract for next season at $5 million. He has a mutual option for $10 million in 2028 or a $2 million buyout.

Dominguez is also under contract for next season at $10 million. He has a mutual option for $12 million for 2028 of a $2 million buyout.

3 hours ago, WhiteSox2023 said:

Usually none, but which mutual option are you referring to? Kay is under contract for next season at $5 million. He has a mutual option for $10 million in 2028 or a $2 million buyout.

Dominguez is also under contract for next season at $10 million. He has a mutual option for $12 million for 2028 of a $2 million buyout.

Kay

That's the only one that will eventually be perceived as a bargain or value deal if he continues to pitch like May. But that's still a long long way away at this point.

Jerry is not going to push "all in" at this stage of the game. If we make a big move, it will be because Ishiba has more input than we have been led to believe.

Biggest needs right now are a TOR starter, RP depth, and a CF (although Peters is doing a fine job). I think we can augment the bullpen at the deadline for a low cost. A legit SP or CF, however, will be way too expensive and we should wait until the offseason to address (and hopefully in free agency).

Selling should only happen if this team completely collapses between now and the end of July. And even then, it’s not like we have a ton of vets on short term deals. Maybe Kay and a couple of relievers go? Not going to get a ton though and there is probably a lot of risk in pissing off the clubhouse.

Honestly, I’m hoping we can stay in the thick of things and be soft buyers.

I could see being a buyer for solid bullpen help. Would a team like the Giants be interested in trading a bullpen arm for a White Sox prospect?

PLAYER (15)

TEAM

POS

AGE

CASH SALARYREMAINING AS OF 6/2

TAX SALARYREMAINING AS OF 6/2

CASH SALARY8/3 TRADE DEADLINE

TAX SALARY8/3 TRADE DEADLINE

FUTURE ALLOCATIONS

Pete Fairbanks

mlb_mia.png

RP

32

$7,572,193

$8,203,209

$3,529,412

$3,823,529

$7,572,193 thru 2026

Carlos Estevez

mlb_kc.png

RP

33

$6,373,262

$7,004,278

$2,970,588

$3,264,706

$8,373,262 thru 2027

Kenley Jansen

mlb_det.png

RP

38

$5,679,144

$6,941,176

$2,647,059

$3,235,294

$7,679,144 thru 2027

Antonio Senzatela

mlb_col.png

RP

31

$7,572,193

$6,373,262

$3,529,412

$2,970,588

$7,572,193 thru 2027

Seranthony Dominguez

mlb_chw.png

RP

31

$4,417,112

$6,310,160

$2,058,824

$2,941,176

$16,417,112 thru 2028

Kyle Finnegan

mlb_det.png

RP

34

$5,521,390

$5,994,652

$2,573,529

$2,794,118

$15,771,390 thru 2027

Gregory Soto

mlb_pit.png

RP

31

$4,890,374

$4,890,374

$2,279,412

$2,279,412

$4,890,374 thru 2026

Bryan Abreu

mlb_hou.png

RP

29

$3,691,444

$3,691,444

$1,720,588

$1,720,588

$3,691,444 thru 2026

Sean Newcomb

mlb_chw.png

RP

33

$2,839,572

$2,839,572

$1,323,529

$1,323,529

$2,839,572 thru 2026

JoJo Romero

mlb_stl.png

RP

29

$2,688,128

$2,688,128

$1,252,941

$1,252,941

$2,688,128 thru 2026

Ryan Thompson

mlb_ari.png

RP

34

$2,492,513

$2,492,513

$1,161,765

$1,161,765

$2,492,513 thru 2026

Kevin Ginkel

mlb_ari.png

RP

32

$1,719,519

$1,719,519

$801,471

$801,471

$1,719,519 thru 2026

Taylor Clarke

mlb_ari.png

RP

33

$978,075

$978,075

$455,882

$455,882

$978,075 thru 2026

Paul Sewald

mlb_ari.png

RP

36

$946,524

$946,524

$441,176

$441,176

$946,524 thru 2026

Riley O'Brien

mlb_stl.png

RP

31

The dreaded Pete Fairbanks again.

Lots of veteran arms, including Dominguez/Newcomb.

AZ might be in toughest position as an organization deciding what to do.

Only two guys that are 29.

Riley O'Brien the biggest prize right now.

Caufield I'm impressed with the list, nice work.

Conservatively buy, listen on the rental type guys? Play the middle and don't give up your best prospects/young players yet.

Edited by Bob Sacamano

Community LogoMCCOVEY CHRONICLES

The Giants’ top 10 trade chips

Webb

Roupp

Ray

T.Mahle (Z.Littell equivalent)

Winn/Miller (relievers)

Complicated/expensive case for CF Jung Ho Lee

On the other hand, here are the worst hitting outfields in MLB right now:

30. Brewers, 79 wRC+
29. Phillies, 80 wRC+
28. Rays, 80 wRC+
27. White Sox, 82 wRC+
26. Padres, 84 wRC+
25. Marlins, 84 wRC+
24. Astros, 87 wRC+
23. Giants, 89 wRC+
22. Reds, 91 wRC+
21. Athletics, 92 wRC+

Milwaukee, Tampa Bay, and San Diego (disagree here) are almost certainly locks for the postseason, while the Phillies, White Sox, Astros, and Reds are extremely in the mix. With a looming lockout plus salary cap on the horizon, I’m not sure what the risk appetite will be, but if there’s a cap then there’s going to be a floor, and you could envision a scenario where the Rays, Reds, or Marlins add Lee just to help get them to a theoretical floor sooner… with the Giants kicking in some money to get back a decent prospect or two.

https://www.mccoveychronicles.com/san-francisco-giants-analysis/107269/the-san-francisco-giants-top-10-trade-chips-2026-mlb-trade-deadline

Congrats to KC/Cleveland for getting out of Bottom 10 outfields in mlb (DeLauter/A.Martinez).

Edited by caulfield12

3 minutes ago, Bob Sacamano said:

Conservatively buy, listen on the rental type guys? Play the middle and don't give up your best prospects/young players yet.

5 minutes ago, Falstaff said:

Caufield I'm impressed with the list, nice work.

No no.

Mysteriously blocked from spotrac last year in China, but back working again. Always had to rely just on mlbtraderumors.

Quick search at spotrac or google will spit out a list and organize it by salaries high to low.

I believe there’s gonna be a floor even if there’s no hard cap, which means the Sox have to add payroll. Also, they are headed for a significant 40 man crunch. I could see them packaging a few guys who have to be protected this winter for an arb eligible type from another team. Don’t have a name in mind, but smart teams like the Rays are always rotating the stock of guys on their 40 man so they get something for them.

2 hours ago, Timmy U said:

I believe there’s gonna be a floor even if there’s no hard cap, which means the Sox have to add payroll. Also, they are headed for a significant 40 man crunch. I could see them packaging a few guys who have to be protected this winter for an arb eligible type from another team. Don’t have a name in mind, but smart teams like the Rays are always rotating the stock of guys on their 40 man so they get something for them.

While I don't believe there will be a cap, if a cap and/or floor are negotiated, I'd imagine teams would have years to gradually comply, and a certain class of player would be exempt, or again, applied over time. Owners aren't going to sign a contract that makes teams dump $100M in salary before the 2027 season starts. Conversely, they're not going to subject a good dozen "poor" teams to a Brewster's Millions scenario during a truncated spring training and offseason.

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