3 minutes ago, chw42 said:

The Tigers sold a few years ago at the deadline and somehow did better after and made the playoffs. It's definitely possible, especially with how weak the AL is this year. But they need a lot of bullpen help to make that happen this year.

That was when they had the 2024 White Sox to beat up on. The entire Central was over .500 because of that. Sox went 10-42 against the Central.

3 minutes ago, chw42 said:

They're both free agents in 2029. I doubt the Angels trade both.

RIght, I'm saying if Soriano is cheaper I'd be fine with getting him instead.

19 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said:

Quintana was signed to a dirt cheap extension with a longer track record.

Yeah, good call. How would people compare them from a talent perspective?

1 minute ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said:

Your dislike of Detmers almost feels personal lol.

He was rushed to the bigs as a 21 year old, and has had to learn everything at this level. His slider and fastball are both ++ imo and his other 3 pitches are league average at worse.

I think he has a great second half of his career. Not quite a wheeler like resurgence post 28, but still think it'll be a top 15ish starter over a 3-5 year period type run.

Detmers's slider is an incredible pitch. He's at like 99 on breaking stuff at Baseball Savant because of that pitch. His fastball does not grade out that well though, at least according to them.

Adding Detmers, along with Holmes, Minter/Weaver, and Stephenson would be huge for this team. Make it happen Getz.

7 minutes ago, chw42 said:

Soriano had a historic April but has been very mediocre since. I think the walk rate really limits his ceiling. Detmers is viewed more favorably because of the better strikeout and walk numbers, even if Soriano is better at actual run prevention so far.

I like the profile more. Groundballer with big stuff. More well-rounded arsenal. Proven success. Same age, same control. Detmers has arguably the best slider in the league, but that's all he's got. His fastball and changeup are some of the worst among starters. If the league figures out the breaking pitches (stop chasing it), his walk rate balloons along with the FIP.

18 minutes ago, hi8is said:

I get the concern. Also, I could care less about the fans who don’t understand development.

It’s not just fans who have changed expectations and patience has disappeared. If Schultz was doing this last season we all would be chalking it up to first year/development year, keep sending the kid out there for experience. They are getting him as soon as they are any sign of trouble now.

1 minute ago, HeGone10 said:

Adding Detmers, along with Holmes, Minter/Weaver, and Stephenson would be huge for this team. Make it happen Getz.

2 starting pitchers, a reliever, and a catcher / RH bat is the haul some pundants proclaim Getz to be after.

Not sure if that’s conjecture or if they have actual intel… but it makes sense.

Especially if the majority of that package helps for years beyond this run.

1 minute ago, Kyyle23 said:

It’s not just fans who have changed expectations and patience has disappeared. If Schultz was doing this last season we all would be chalking it up to first year/development year, keep sending the kid out there for experience. They are getting him as soon as they are any sign of trouble now.

True - it’s a challenge managing development paths of pitchers while also trying to contend. I think one reason they want two starting pitchers is so they can back off potentially derailing Noah.

He obviously isn’t there yet and we also know he hasn’t built up to a full starters workload.

His last outing was one of his most promising to date but the hook he had shows the complete absence of trust they have in him due to the circumstances your describing.

29 minutes ago, SoxBlanco said:

How does Detmers compare to Jose Quintana when we traded him to the Cubs? Seems like neither are/were considered an elite pitcher, but then you look at the stats and you realize they are pretty damn good.

Quintana did have one more year of control than Detmers has, if I recall correctly, but I was shocked we got both Eloy and Cease.

Detmers was BA’s #8 prospect in the 2020 draft. Didn’t officially pitch that year due to COVID. Went straight to AA in 2021 and dominated before being promoted to AAA and the majors for a brief cup of coffee. Ended up being BA’s #28 overall ranked prospect in 2022. So much better pedigree as a prospect.

He strikes out a lot more guys than Quintana and has better velocity & stuff. He lacks the control that peak Quintana had though, although it’s improved a ton this year. Quintana also ate a ton more innings, but Reid is getting better there. They are both lefties but I wouldn’t consider them all that similar.

Regarding the price, Quintana was traded right before prospect valuations changed significantly. And candidly, Hahn got very lucky a separate Epstein was willing to give up those pieces. He waited out for an offer for his price to be met after successful Sale & Eaton trades and I’m not sure any other team would have been willing to trade that level of prospect capital. Detmers will certainly cost less just given the current baseball operating environment.

i don’t hate the idea, depending on the cost. Also let’s all hit up some Orioles message boards and absolutely lowball the s%*# out of them.

1 minute ago, almagest said:

i don’t hate the idea, depending on the cost. Also let’s all hit up some Orioles message boards and absolutely lowball the s%*# out of them.

I don’t like idea of spending big on a catcher with control. Teel will be back next year and you’re going to want that DH spot for Murakami or Vargas if Roch comes up.

4 minutes ago, fathom said:

I don’t like idea of spending big on a catcher with control. Teel will be back next year and you’re going to want that DH spot for Murakami or Vargas if Roch comes up.

Yeah, I don't disagree, but I also don't know if the Sox can count on Teel at C full-time. The injuries this year are REALLY alarming. You might need more of a legit catcher platoon, with Teel also getting time at 1B/DH when Murakami gets a break. If Rutschman doesn't cost too much I'd at least consider it.

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Just now, almagest said:

Yeah, I don't disagree, but I also don't know if the Sox can count on Teel at C full-time. The injuries this year are REALLY alarming. You might need more of a legit catcher platoon, with Teel also getting time at 1B/DH. If Rutschman doesn't cost too much I'd at least consider it.

Given Teel’s inability to hit lefties, needing a platoon partner was always a strong possibility. It’s too bad Quero forgot how to hit LHP. The catching position went from a strength to a full blown disaster.

What is katie Perry's bootyhole reporting?

I think something might happen tonight

9 minutes ago, Colome's Hat said:

I think something might happen tonight

They desperately need some starters for the Rays series. That is going to be rough if Schultz and Fedde are pitching.

Detmers career summary:

2021: Tough, short rookie season

2022: Nice 25 start performance, peripherals a little mediocre but nothing to complain about. 129 innings

2023: Decent 28 start performance, peripherals somewhat consistent but the actual run scoring went the wrong direction

2024: Horrible, some signs of bad batted ball luck (FIP et al not as bad as 6+ ERA) but he made half a season of starts in AAA and got bombed there too

2025: Solid season out of the bullpen, although the numbers aren't great for a reliever. Fielding independent statistics continue to like his performance better than ERA does

2026: Nice season, quickly approaching all-time high in innings and again fielding independent statistics think he deserves better than his 4 ERA. Had a really bad stretch of starts recently but his most recent 3 were good.

To me, I just have a hard time endorsing paying a real high price for this guy. The stuff is good, no doubt. But there's not that much of a track record of strong performance, his last reasonably good season as a starter before this one was in 2023 and even that was a year he posted a 4.48 ERA (4.13 FIP, 4.57 xERA, 4.14 SIERA for the sabermetricians at home). He's still young and there's not many injury issues in the past that I know of. His recent performance is more or less his best performance, although that's almost always true of players who get lots of attention as a top trade candidate — you are frequently buying high.

This season, the metrics say he deserves better than the 4.03 ERA, although I also take note that he has rather consistently underperformed the metrics. Statcast says the defense behind Detmers has been 6 runs worse than average this season, so maybe that explains it all. But there's a lot of explaining you have to do about why this guy is not just worth having on your team, but worth paying a high price for. You get 2 more years after this with team control. Have to weigh what you expect happens with regard to a lockout here since that's half of your future control.

Obviously, he'd a big upgrade for the White Sox. But if you think Bonemer is a top 25 prospect, then no way you trade him for this guy. IMO, of course

41 minutes ago, fathom said:

I don’t like idea of spending big on a catcher with control. Teel will be back next year and you’re going to want that DH spot for Murakami or Vargas if Roch comes up.

This isn't the time of year to make "long term" decisions anyway. Work those out in the offseason when you aren't "buying' per se and don't have a buyers premium.

Sox have a lot of good players; but they aren't great. There's no one really outside of catcher to push out.

12 minutes ago, Colome's Hat said:

I think something might happen tonight

Where is this coming from? I saw something in my latte too

1 hour ago, HeGone10 said:

Adding Detmers, along with Holmes, Minter/Weaver, and Stephenson would be huge for this team. Make it happen Getz.

Why not Adley too. Let’s go!

1 hour ago, hi8is said:

The business of baseball is totally different nowadays - teams value prospects much more.

Most Sox fans grasp this fact. A few are still at the roulette wheel with cocaine eyes betting the house on black

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20 minutes ago, Colome's Hat said:

I think something might happen tonight

If it doesn’t, soxtalk dot com will not forget it

2 hours ago, Kyyle23 said:

What I’m really worried about is the same thing we just saw happen with Schultz plays out in front of us: nobody has the patience for these kids figuring it out because all of our expectations have changed and been updated. Then you get to the point where we have a very real amount of fans who are completely done with Schultz, because he isn’t “there” yet. What happens with Hagen if he comes out and can’t hit the broadside of a barn because he knows that he was just inserted into the bullpen of a team in the playoff hunt?

Can’t worry about it. Professional baseball. Get er done, or step aside. Sort em out later. Let the bodies hit the floor.