17 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said:

Iguchi really wasn’t that great outside of the WS year in 2005. We just remember him as better than he was because of the WS and that it had been such a long drought at 2B. Ray Ray owned Iguchi.

Durham really was a complete player, very underrated.

3 minutes ago, Lip Man 1 said:

Durham really was a complete player, very underrated.

Except defensive lapses and Ks...although great going out into the outfield for popups.

I feel like I have said this a million times, but I will say it again. These things have a way of sorting themselves out. I can't remember the last time we had an actual roster crunch or positional fight because we had too many good players at the same time. Oh we have these debates all of the time about what if this guy makes it, but until that actually happens, just play the guys in front of you. The odds that everyone of these guys makes it and forces Ant and Meidroth into some kind of fight to the death for only 2B, then we have a great problem people you have someone who you can then trade for a nice return. As it stands today, no one worth a damn is being blocked. Let them play and see who fails and who makes it.

8 minutes ago, caulfield12 said:

Except defensive lapses and Ks...although great going out into the outfield for popups.

Six years double figures in home runs, stole a ton of bases and had some good years batting average wise. His error totals weren't crazy, we're not talking Tim Anderson here and the strike outs weren't ridiculous.

I'd take his career anytime on my team.

7 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said:

I feel like I have said this a million times, but I will say it again. These things have a way of sorting themselves out. I can't remember the last time we had an actual roster crunch or positional fight because we had too many good players at the same time. Oh we have these debates all of the time about what if this guy makes it, but until that actually happens, just play the guys in front of you. The odds that everyone of these guys makes it and forces Ant and Meidroth into some kind of fight to the death for only 2B, then we have a great problem people you have someone who you can then trade for a nice return. As it stands today, no one worth a damn is being blocked. Let them play and see who fails and who makes it.

You are 100 % right. But we all have visions of the perfect starting lineup in which it’s like MLB The Show with injuries turned off and you can have Antonacci’s better bat at 2B and add a power bat in LF for 162 games a year. 🤣

Meidroth has been something of a virtuoso at 2B defensively. He has range to his right and up the middle and has a quick catch and release on double plays. According to Baseball Reference, Chase has a .266 BA with 14 doubles and 6 HR. Replace him? No. What other lame brain ideas are out there to break up one of the best position player groups the White Sox have had since winning the World Series? Then consider his value as a gamer to this team in the clubhouse and on the field. The old adage "if it ain't broke don't fix it" should apply.

Roch is the no. 1 pick, but at this point, it is hard to project him as being better than Colson Montgomery or Vargas or Meidroth at their respective positions. Once Roch has proven himself at a position of his choice and has had a minimum of 100 ABs at AAA, then he will get his chance at the major league level. After seeing so many other heralded Draft choices under perform or even fail, I am taking a wait and see approach on Roch. He might be another Bobby Witt Jr, or not.

Edited June 26Jun 26 by tray

2 minutes ago, tray said:

Meidroth has been something of a virtuoso at 2B defensively. He has range to his right and up the middle and has a quick catch and release on double plays. According to Baseball Reference, Chase has a .266 BA with 14 doubles and 6 HR. Replace him? No. What other lame brain ideas are out there to break up one of the best position player groups the White Sox have had since winning the World Series? Then consider his value as a gamer to this team in the clubhouse and on the field. The old adage "if it ain't broke don't fix it" should apply.

Roch is the no. 1 pick, but at this point, it is hard to project him as being better than Colson Montgomery or Vargas or Meidroth at their respective positions. Once Roch has proved himself at a position of his choice and has had a minimum of 100 ABs at AAA, then he will get his chance at the major league level. After seeing so many other heralded Draft choices under perform or even fail, I am taking a wait and see approach on Roch. He might be another Bobby Witt Jr, or not.

He will never be another Bobby Witt in power or speed or defensive brilliance.

Meidroth is a very good but not quite great/elite defender.

2006-2008 Sox position groups, 2019-2021 all make good arguments.

Current White Sox still not getting enough from OF overall...catcher pre Teel and DH has been below average, too.

6 minutes ago, tray said:

Meidroth has been something of a virtuoso at 2B defensively. He has range to his right and up the middle and has a quick catch and release on double plays. According to Baseball Reference, Chase has a .266 BA with 14 doubles and 6 HR. Replace him? No. What other lame brain ideas are out there to break up one of the best position player groups the White Sox have had since winning the World Series? Then consider his value as a gamer to this team in the clubhouse and on the field. The old adage "if it ain't broke don't fix it" should apply.

Roch is the no. 1 pick, but at this point, it is hard to project him as being better than Colson Montgomery or Vargas or Meidroth at their respective positions. Once Roch has proven himself at a position of his choice and has had a minimum of 100 ABs at AAA, then he will get his chance at the major league level. After seeing so many other heralded Draft choices under perform or even fail, I am taking a wait and see approach on Roch. He might be another Bobby Witt Jr, or not.

3 minutes ago, ron883 said:

First Bill Maher, then Blago, and now this other @hole . I disagree.

Edited June 26Jun 26 by tray

I just said to wait to see what Roch does in the Minors for Csakes.

1 hour ago, tray said:

I just said to wait to see what Roch does in the Minors for Csakes.

Nothing wrong with that thought at all. And there are even more variables. Will Mune even be here still after 2027 once Roch is ready? Maybe not. Maybe Vargas is playing 1B after next season? Even if you are a Getz hater, you can’t argue that he hasn’t acquired players with positional flexibility unlike Hahn who loved acquiring positionless turnstile DH’s.

Edited June 26Jun 26 by WhiteSox2023

Looking at the splits, Chase rakes against LP and Sam kills it against RP. Platooning and coming off the bench during the game is an option.

2 hours ago, Falstaff said:

Looking at the splits, Chase rakes against LP and Sam kills it against RP. Platooning and coming off the bench during the game is an option.

I don't know what is wrong with all these people that want to turn Antonacci into a platoon player, but they should get checked out professionally.

23 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said:

I don't know what is wrong with all these people that want to turn Antonacci into a platoon player, but they should get checked out professionally.

You don’t bench a dude with an .800 OPS with speed and the ability to mind f*** the opposing team.

1 hour ago, WhiteSox2023 said:

You don’t bench a dude with an .800 OPS with speed and the ability to mind f*** the opposing team.

So you are anti platooning then? Lot of guys can’t hit same side pitching and so far Antonacci is one of them. I think that will change over time, but right now the team would benefit from sitting him against lefties.

2 hours ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said:

I don't know what is wrong with all these people that want to turn Antonacci into a platoon player, but they should get checked out professionally.

We're trying to win games now and against tough LHP he should 100% sit for Grichuk. It's not like you're losing an elite LF glove. If we fall out of contention sure, let him get more experience.

Against LP Sam is 159/260/442 with a 182 slg

I love the guy but the numbers are what they are.

Edited June 26Jun 26 by Falstaff

Totally understand giving Grich the start in left against most LHP and pulling him for Sam once the bullpen is cracked.

And I’m one of Sam’s biggest homers. 😆

Long term though, I do think he deserves to be a starter and will figure out lefties.

55 minutes ago, hi8is said:

Totally understand giving Grich the start in left against most LHP and pulling him for Sam once the bullpen is cracked.

And I’m one of Sam’s biggest homers. 😆

Long term though, I do think he deserves to be a starter and will figure out lefties.

I love your phrase "once the bullpen is cracked. " We can be expand that to "once a starting pitcher is cracked." So, Sam , Peters and Chase may have unfavorable splits but I like them in the line-up until the starter is "cracked." Then the game of pinch hitters versus relievers can begin....like deploying Grichuk as a pinch hitter in late innings. Would I start Grichuk against a LH starter? Probably not...I would save him for later....but that is what Venable gets paid for.

I also agree with your point that Sam and some of the other young hitters may have unfavorable splits, but they will get better because they are exposed to all pitchers.

Edited June 27Jun 27 by tray

Any of you haters gonna spend $100 to tell Chase he sucks? 😆

But seriously, anybody going to this?

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7 minutes ago, Road Mrs. Colon said:

Any of you haters gonna spend $100 to tell Chase he sucks? 😆

But seriously, anybody going to this?

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Seems like a rip off.

For the same price you can go on a 3 hour cruise with Meidroth, Teel, Ozzie, and Pierzynski.

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Stats can be used to make almost any point, depending on one's agenda. For example, there are any number of current and former starting mlb players, including some of the great ones, that had/have lopsided splits. It's just a weak point.

On 6/26/2026 at 6:45 PM, Falstaff said:

Against LP Sam is 159/260/442 with a 182 slg

I love the guy but the numbers are what they are.

As a rookie.

On 6/25/2026 at 8:56 PM, ron883 said:

Let me see . . . . What meme can I use to lose all credibility as a poster on this forum??? And somewhat as a person??

Ding, ding, ding!

2 minutes ago, vilehoopster said:

Let me see . . . . What meme can I use to lose all credibility as a poster on this forum??? And somewhat as a person??

Ding, ding, ding!

You must be cheering for Belgium tonight.