July 23Jul 23 15 hours ago, 77 Hitmen said:Very well summarized.I root for Gonzo like Andrew Vaughn. Go win an MVP but go 0-4 against the Sox. Now Nicky Lopez, I found myself feeling a bit salty about him putting up a .300 BA now that he's off the Sox.
July 23Jul 23 9 hours ago, hi8is said:On a hung middle middle change that was lofted over the short right field porch in Yankee Stadium.Good for him but I’m still not ready to:Regret the tradeAssume we should have traded him for a starterAssume this prevents us from obtaining a starterAssume Gonzo is a better option than MeidrothAssume Gonzalez will have more trade value than Chase will when it’s time for Roch to come upAssume Gonzo will be a better mlb player than ProsekIMO we just need to root for the kid and move on.Like fucking hell we will.
July 23Jul 23 14 minutes ago, ron883 said:Like fucking hell we will.He put ketchup on a Nathan hotdog in NYC, get him out of here.
July 23Jul 23 1 hour ago, 77 Hitmen said:Yeah, I expect we're in for a slew of rage-bait posts if Gonzo finds success in Pittsburgh since it'll be a couple of years before the verdict will be in on this year's draft class.No rage bait. Only giant helpings of crow served to select people.
July 23Jul 23 8 minutes ago, ron883 said:No rage bait. Only giant helpings of crow served to select people.I can't think of anyone who was saying that Gonzo wasn't any good. Wasn't the consensus that he didn't have a spot on this team?
Tuesday at 03:23 AM4 days On 7/23/2026 at 3:42 PM, ron883 said:No rage bait. Only giant helpings of crow served to select people.Well he's batting .200 now
Tuesday at 03:25 AM4 days 4 minutes ago, nrockway said:Well he's batting .200 now.292 ISO. Absolute BEAST!
Tuesday at 03:25 AM4 days 3 minutes ago, nrockway said:Well he's batting .200 nowHe has a .364 xwOBA with the Pirates…that would be third on the Sox behind Murakami & Vargas.
Tuesday at 03:48 AM4 days 19 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said:He has a .364 xwOBA with the Pirates…that would be third on the Sox behind Murakami & Vargas.And his real woba is sandwiched between Andrew Benintendi and Jarred Kelenic. Baseball Savant isn't registering that xwoba as statistically significant. Neither is his .200 batting average, right, but more in line with the player that he actually is. An MLB player to be sure, just not a particularly good one.
Tuesday at 11:52 AM4 days 8 hours ago, nrockway said:And his real woba is sandwiched between Andrew Benintendi and Jarred Kelenic. Baseball Savant isn't registering that xwoba as statistically significant. Neither is his .200 batting average, right, but more in line with the player that he actually is. An MLB player to be sure, just not a particularly good one.None of this is statistically significant given its 28 total plate appearances with the Pirates. The problem is you are actually drawing conclusions off a SSS impacted by a ridiculously low .182 BABIP and declaring the player is “not a very good one”.
Tuesday at 06:37 PM4 days 6 hours ago, Chicago White Sox said:None of this is statistically significant given its 28 total plate appearances with the Pirates. The problem is you are actually drawing conclusions off a SSS impacted by a ridiculously low .182 BABIP and declaring the player is “not a very good one”.If Gonzalez ever produces more than 2 OWAR in a season, I'll eat my words, but a first round pick and the extra draft money is so so much more valuable.
Tuesday at 06:44 PM4 days 9 minutes ago, nrockway said:If Gonzalez ever produces more than 2 OWAR in a season, I'll eat my words, but a first round pick and the extra draft money is so so much more valuable.Yea, his upside is avg regular at best. Half the time he just slots in as a good utility guy. Given the depth in the org it was an OK trade. We just won't know for 3-5 years how it looks.
Tuesday at 11:10 PM3 days I think Gonzalez is a good player. Heck, I wanted to keep him and let him spend most of the time at DH instead of our still negative fWAR guy. I think he'll hit well; probably like Mead. But I don't lament it...I guess because I understood the trade and I don't think there's a huge risk.Speaking of Mead, it's okay with me if we call up the guy we traded him for and let him DH.In the long run, pretty impressive Sox development to turn-around 2 hitters so quickly. Edited Tuesday at 11:11 PM3 days by GreenSox
3 hours ago3 hr 24 minutes ago, chitownsportsfan said:2 for his last 14. wrc+ of 58 in Pit.Stop that.I want to be pissed with all the other humbugs still.
1 hour ago1 hr 1 hour ago, chitownsportsfan said:2 for his last 14. wrc+ of 58 in Pit.they don't have a Ryan Fuller or Derek Shoman in Pittsburgh
1 hour ago1 hr One thought about the general philosophy around trading a young MLB-ready player for a draft pick/draft slot $. I think executives (rightly) see the ceiling for high schoolers taken in the first ~60 picks to be extremely high. Floor is most often extremely low and that's why they aren't just snatched 1-1. So if you look at Jacob Gonzalez and say even though his ceiling includes being a valuable player, it doesn't include being a star player, that informs your decision to get a pick instead. If you lose a deal like that 4 out of 5 times, but the 1 time you win it's by 10x, then it's a good gamble. Of course if I was a big fan of Gonzo I might want to say that he's a lefty shortstop flashing power so the ceiling might be rather high for him.I had a nice interaction with Jacob at spring training when he was signing autographs (notably, he was a minor leaguer who was often NOT asked for autographs because fans didn't know who he was or perhaps didn't care) so I basically root for him. At the same time, I also root for the White Sox to not make stupid decisions so it won't break my heart if he's an unexceptional player.
1 hour ago1 hr 5 minutes ago, Jake said:One thought about the general philosophy around trading a young MLB-ready player for a draft pick/draft slot $. I think executives (rightly) see the ceiling for high schoolers taken in the first ~60 picks to be extremely high. Floor is most often extremely low and that's why they aren't just snatched 1-1. So if you look at Jacob Gonzalez and say even though his ceiling includes being a valuable player, it doesn't include being a star player, that informs your decision to get a pick instead. If you lose a deal like that 4 out of 5 times, but the 1 time you win it's by 10x, then it's a good gamble. Of course if I was a big fan of Gonzo I might want to say that he's a lefty shortstop flashing power so the ceiling might be rather high for him.I had a nice interaction with Jacob at spring training when he was signing autographs (notably, he was a minor leaguer who was often NOT asked for autographs because fans didn't know who he was or perhaps didn't care) so I basically root for him. At the same time, I also root for the White Sox to not make stupid decisions so it won't break my heart if he's an unexceptional player.What is Jacob Thome’s ceiling?
1 hour ago1 hr Just now, Chicago White Sox said:What is Jacob Thome’s ceiling?🤷 I would say part of the deal here is that the ceiling for these kids is high in part because we're not even as good at knowing their ceilings. I look at Jacob Thome and I see a kid. I don't know what the man version of him will be like. Might be worse at baseball than the kid version for all I know. And then to be ticky tack about this, I think this question should probably be about Cole Prosek even though we took him with the other pick. He got paid more and I wonder whether the Sox were thinking they might not have the pool money for him if they hadn't gotten Thome under slot at 34. And then you can look at the numerous other over-slot players who may have been chosen in part due to the financial flexibility afforded by the extra pick at #34.
1 hour ago1 hr 4 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said:What is Jacob Thome’s ceiling?Absolute best case? Probably like a LH version of Vargas. Middle case? Probably a backup utility guy. Half the time he never makes MLB, floor with any HS guy is obviously just org filler. Like Vargas as a prospect, he needs to add weight and get more athletic.
1 hour ago1 hr 1 minute ago, Jake said:🤷 I would say part of the deal here is that the ceiling for these kids is high in part because we're not even as good at knowing their ceilings. I look at Jacob Thome and I see a kid. I don't know what the man version of him will be like. Might be worse at baseball than the kid version for all I know.And then to be ticky tack about this, I think this question should probably be about Cole Prosek even though we took him with the other pick. He got paid more and I wonder whether the Sox were thinking they might not have the pool money for him if they hadn't gotten Thome under slot at 34. And then you can look at the numerous other over-slot players who may have been chosen in part due to the financial flexibility afforded by the extra pick at #34.They probably had a deal in theory with Thome before they even made the trade. They had to get that pick because the Yankees were rumored to want him at 35. They wanted him AND his discount they already knew he'd give.
1 hour ago1 hr 26 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said:What is Jacob Thome’s ceiling?Higher than Landon Gonzalez's? 😉
38 minutes ago38 min 53 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said:What is Jacob Thome’s ceiling?I mean, technically a hall of famer. That is everyone's ceiling!
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