53 minutes ago, Y2Jimmy0 said:

There's a lot going on with Schultz. Lots of changes being worked on etc. I think the org has failed him but regardless, a role shift is likely coming due to innings.

It feels like they made changes recently in an effort to improve command - it has come at a cost of "stuff" - but I also wonder if they view it as they can re-unlock that easier, so from a development perspective repeatability / command was priority. As a result, Noah's in the tough spot of actively working on mechanical and development changes at the big league level (as a young pitcher). I think the key is Sox have to manage his "psyche" well and I feel that is a very underrated area where Venable has excelled.

I keep reminding myself - Schultz is going to be a stud in the long-run - but in the short run there is more work to do and some of that is going to require a step back. That said, I'd love to see a game where he's just off the charts electric (we saw some of that when he first came up - where the stuff stood out - despite the challenges with command.

14 minutes ago, Chisoxfn said:

It feels like they made changes recently in an effort to improve command - it has come at a cost of "stuff" - but I also wonder if they view it as they can re-unlock that easier than not so repeatability / command was priority, but in meantime he's in the tough spot of actively working on mechanical and development changes at the big league level (as a young pitcher). I think the key is Sox have to manage his "psyche" well and I feel that is a very underrated area where Venable has excelled.

I keep reminding myself - Schultz is going to be a stud in the long-run - but in the short run there is more work to do and some of that is going to require a step back. That said, I'd love to see a game where he's just off the charts electric (we saw some of that when he first came up - where the stuff stood out - despite the challenges with command.

I'm not sure he's going to be a stud but they clearly need to work on his delivery. If it's giving him chronic knee pain at 29th percentile extension, at his size, something needs to change. I don't think he's going to be a stud; I don't see the TOR talent, but certainly 3rd or 4th starter. One big problem for him is that (granted small sample size) lefties having a .358 wOBA against him. He gets no platoon advantage, as a LHP that's not great, Bob.

I'd rather he go down and work on things in AAA. I think Sandlin gives us more of a chance to win now. Or, if they think someone else can of the candidates, I'd rather them come up.

1 hour ago, Y2Jimmy0 said:

It's a great question. They've totally changed who Schultz is. He's throwing 6 pitches with a higher slot and he's got too many voices. I believe a simplification is coming.

27 minutes ago, chitownsportsfan said:

I'm not sure he's going to be a stud but they clearly need to work on his delivery. If it's giving him chronic knee pain at 29th percentile extension, at his size, something needs to change. I don't think he's going to be a stud; I don't see the TOR talent, but certainly 3rd or 4th starter. One big problem for him is that (granted small sample size) lefties having a .358 wOBA against him. He gets no platoon advantage, as a LHP that's not great, Bob.

I'd rather he go down and work on things in AAA. I think Sandlin gives us more of a chance to win now. Or, if they think someone else can of the candidates, I'd rather them come up.

Hot take - Sandlin has a higher ceiling than Schultz at this point.

28 minutes ago, chitownsportsfan said:

I'm not sure he's going to be a stud but they clearly need to work on his delivery. If it's giving him chronic knee pain at 29th percentile extension, at his size, something needs to change. I don't think he's going to be a stud; I don't see the TOR talent, but certainly 3rd or 4th starter. One big problem for him is that (granted small sample size) lefties having a .358 wOBA against him. He gets no platoon advantage, as a LHP that's not great, Bob.

I'd rather he go down and work on things in AAA. I think Sandlin gives us more of a chance to win now. Or, if they think someone else can of the candidates, I'd rather them come up.

I don't disagree with you on the short-term, he is clearly not in a good place and it can be very difficult to get that right at the big league level. On the long-term, I can't get out the past that even this year, he showed elite stuff (and has a track record of that at the minor league level). Right now this feels very much an issue with the pitching development side and they better figure this out. But I do think the elite tools are absolutely there.

They don't let Fedde go through the lineup more than twice. So he and Schultz can do a tandem.
Also have Sandlin in AAA, who has had some nice starts and is doing fine in AAA (although, like seemingly everyone else, walks too many).
And they'll make a trade of some sort. 6 man staff (or 5 +fedde/schultz) might make some sense to keep everyone fresh.

24 minutes ago, GreenSox said:

They don't let Fedde go through the lineup more than twice. So he and Schultz can do a tandem.
Also have Sandlin in AAA, who has had some nice starts and is doing fine in AAA (although, like seemingly everyone else, walks too many).
And they'll make a trade of some sort. 6 man staff (or 5 +fedde/schultz) might make some sense to keep everyone fresh.

Mason Adams has a 1.200 WHIP and 9 SO/9 on AAA. Wouldn't be shocked if we see him up.

25 minutes ago, GreenSox said:

They don't let Fedde go through the lineup more than twice. So he and Schultz can do a tandem.
Also have Sandlin in AAA, who has had some nice starts and is doing fine in AAA (although, like seemingly everyone else, walks too many).
And they'll make a trade of some sort. 6 man staff (or 5 +fedde/schultz) might make some sense to keep everyone fresh.

Problem with that is Noah has no platoon advantage against LHP. Hate to agree with Ron but I think Adams or Sandlin gives us a better chance to win right now. Adams' velocity reports are good right? IMO it would be hard to be worse than Noah, although you never know.