2 minutes ago, hi8is said:

That makes sense.

Also makes sense to me if the ask on our end included Torrens.

That would make a lot more sense then. Especially with the “with other stuff” caveat in the tweet.

Do people not realize that Boston Smith is in his first Minor League season, he's absolutely crushing it in AA

ranking him at 15 is ridiculous, in fact if he's not in your top 10 I question that list

Glad that nonsense blew up. Oooh a negative war pitcher who used to be good.

And certainly don't trade high ceiling prospects for that (or at all)

2 minutes ago, GreenSox said:

Glad that nonsense blew up. Oooh a negative war pitcher who used to be good.

And certainly don't trade high ceiling prospects for that (or at all)

He has positive 1.2 fWAR no?

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3 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said:

He has positive 1.2 fWAR no?

-0.2 bWAR

1.2 fWAR

1 hour ago, fathom said:

Gross, as Peralta has been terrible this year. I do think Wolkow and Smith are two of the most likely trade chips they use.

I have no doubt problem dealing the strikeout king. If he ever makes the majors, he won’t last long. Boston is nice to have around with how bad our “stud” catcher prospects have looked so far.

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12 minutes ago, GreenSox said:

Glad that nonsense blew up. Oooh a negative war pitcher who used to be good.

And certainly don't trade high ceiling prospects for that (or at all)

Not saying they should trade either for Peralta, but with Wolkow’s contact issues, trading him now could actually be selling high.

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12 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said:

He has positive 1.2 fWAR no?

I was looking at b where it’s -.2.  I think Peralta would be okay.  But he should be cheap.  And Smith and Wolcow is not only not a low price, it is also a lot of ceiling, which is exactly what not to trade.  Plus, what other interesting catcher or 1B do we really have in the org?   There are other prospects to trade.

No.

What would Torrens cost by himself?

10 minutes ago, hi8is said:

-0.2 bWAR

1.2 fWAR

bWAR is a bad metric for evaluating pitchers IMO

1 minute ago, Chicago White Sox said:

bWAR is a bad metric for evaluating pitchers IMO

Especially if what you're after is projected performance and not what he's already done.

If my scouts like Peralta, I’d do Wolkow+ but that second prospect would have to be less than Smith.

That’s the Wed/Thurs asking price, by Sunday it will be cheaper when no one else is meeting that asking price.

Wolkow as the main piece doesn’t bother me, but Boston Smith as the 2nd is too much. Wolkow, Albertus, and lotto ticket arm

2 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said:

If my scouts like Peralta, I’d do Wolkow+ but that second prospect would have to be less than Smith.

Or they would have to include Torrens. But yeah, I would prefer not to trade Smith.

Smith's production is incredible, but there's a lot of question marks under the hood. Serious swing and miss and he's getting by with a lot of passivity. He's not very big for a guy who is supposed to be a masher and he might be years away from having a defensive position (and the position might be LF). He's a fun prospect and you have to love this partial season of production but the same thing that is tantalizing (that he's done so much in so little time) is also part of the risk (there's no track record). In principle, I don't love risking much on a rental pitcher, of course.

Wolkow is going to have near-zero trade value. I like him and he's so young, but I think most front offices don't have much faith that a guy can spin his wheels for that long and become anything.

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12 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said:

If my scouts like Peralta, I’d do Wolkow+ but that second prospect would have to be less than Smith.

I was about to type exactly the same thing. Wolkow, I'm fine moving but with our catching issue right now, no to Boston Smith.

I think the foodie accounts are running with their own embellishments, at this point...

1 minute ago, WestEddy said:

I think the foodie accounts are running with their own embellishments, at this point...

I like that his source is a tweet we all read.

1 minute ago, WestEddy said:

I think the foodie accounts are running with their own embellishments, at this point...

Posted 3 minutes after Marino’s tweet. 🤣

Since we are apparently willing to take on money for like the first time ever, I'd rather just get Ray from SFG and Torrens from NYM.

I think the BP is in ok shape especially with the possibility of Schultz/Smith etc being moved there.

for those that don't want to give away anything and are ok not getting much back - why isn't there more intrigue around Mize?
For me - I notice that he's 6'3, 212, which is close to the magic 6'4 220lb.
How much could he possibly go for when they aren't even letting you see the rehab start to ensure he's not losing 2-3 more starts left in the year. And he's a rental. That's gotta be pennies.

If I was the sox I think the attraction is that Peralta is very likely better than you've seen so far, but also that he's only 30 and been pretty reliably at 175 IP per year and in the playoffs. For a team with some guys who will be managed here on out, you don't want the chance that a Ray starts to fade (not saying he isn't a workhorse, but he's 35 and it can happen).

3 minutes ago, bmags said:

for those that don't want to give away anything and are ok not getting much back - why isn't there more intrigue around Mize?
For me - I notice that he's 6'3, 212, which is close to the magic 6'4 220lb.
How much could he possibly go for when they aren't even letting you see the rehab start to ensure he's not losing 2-3 more starts left in the year. And he's a rental. That's gotta be pennies.

Been on the IL twice this year and I think he just left another start early last week I want to say?

5 minutes ago, bmags said:

If I was the sox I think the attraction is that Peralta is very likely better than you've seen so far, but also that he's only 30 and been pretty reliably at 175 IP per year and in the playoffs. For a team with some guys who will be managed here on out, you don't want the chance that a Ray starts to fade (not saying he isn't a workhorse, but he's 35 and it can happen).

Girardi made a great point on the broadcast Wednesday: there isn't a single SP on the WS roster with post season experience. I'm not like a huge experience matters guy but it doesn't hurt and adding a SP with post season and pennant chase experience might not be an awful idea.

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