13 minutes ago, WestEddy said:

Bad expectations.

Bad expectations that just one of the four players he acquired would play better with the Sox than their previous team? Wow…

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13 minutes ago, fathom said:

Oh come on. The Sox even said Castillo was brought in due to his ability to provide innings as a starter, yet 3 of his 4 starts have been short.

4 Starts. Handled Cincy. 2 games - Boston and the Cubs, two very good offenses (Red Sox on a historical tear) - 4 and 4.2 innings. Got clobbered by the Mets. They picked him up as a project. We'll see how the changes they're making take over a few more starts.

16 minutes ago, fathom said:

Oh come on. The Sox even said Castillo was brought in due to his ability to provide innings as a starter, yet 3 of his 4 starts have been short.

Bad expectations is a crazy statement. If we weren't to expect anything, why did they trade for them in the first place?

53 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said:

No, call up Adams and use him in the rotation. Instead, we have a past his prime and expensive “ace” that has pitched one good start out of four.

Experience in a pennant race and subsequent playoffs means something.

1 minute ago, WestEddy said:

Experience in a pennant race and subsequent playoffs means something.

3 minutes ago, WestEddy said:

4 Starts. Handled Cincy. 2 games - Boston and the Cubs, two very good offenses (Red Sox on a historical tear) - 4 and 4.2 innings. Got clobbered by the Mets. They picked him up as a project. We'll see how the changes they're making take over a few more starts.

Adams would be a project as well, and isn’t nearing retirement.

1 hour ago, Bob Sacamano said:

I said at the time that I don't think these deals really help the team overall much. Maybe raise the floor, not so much the ceiling. Though, I may have been in denial and thought that was best case scenario.

I think Doyle's ceiling is relatively high and his floor is negative WAR and unplayable. If he's a league average hitter and keeps up the defensive work, that's worth 4 WAR (ie his 2024 season). If he can OPS the same .764 he did in Colorado while hitting 20+ bombs, ~115 OPS+ or so, that's an easy all-star. Will he ever reach those numbers again? I dunno, maybe. With Brazoban and Castillo I agree with you though.

29 minutes ago, almagest said:

He'd better not be. Skubal is almost certainly staying with the Dodgers (unless they can't afford him given their recent money and legal woes), but even if not I doubt the Sox would pay him 50+ mil/yr or whatever he'll get. The second tier has some guys worth considering though, like Michael King (opt out), Jose Berrios, Casey Mize and Shota Imanaga. Then grab a reclamation project or two and I'd feel pretty good.

I will be absolutely stunned if they sign anyone outside the organization for more than 25 mil this offseason

4 minutes ago, nrockway said:

I think Doyle's ceiling is relatively high and his floor is negative WAR and unplayable. If he's a league average hitter and keeps up the defensive work, that's worth 4 WAR (ie his 2024 season). If he can OPS the same .764 he did in Colorado while hitting 20+ bombs, ~115 OPS+ or so, that's an easy all-star. Will he ever reach those numbers again? I dunno, maybe. With Brazoban and Castillo I agree with you though.

I was just talking to his season specifically. Maybe some offseason work and adjustment helps Doyle for next year

8 minutes ago, fathom said:

I will be absolutely stunned if they sign anyone outside the organization for more than 25 mil this offseason

Most of the guys I mentioned they can probably get for around that or less per year, at least based on some of the projected AAV numbers I've seen

9 minutes ago, fathom said:

I will be absolutely stunned if they sign anyone outside the organization for more than 25 mil this offseason

If they manage to crush the union, I bet they take advantage of the depressed market. If things stay largely the same, probably not.

9 minutes ago, Bob Sacamano said:

I was just talking to his season specifically. Maybe some offseason work and adjustment helps Doyle for next year

Yeah good point. I don't think he's giving our team anything this year.

13 minutes ago, Bob Sacamano said:

I was just talking to his season specifically. Maybe some offseason work and adjustment helps Doyle for next year

It's exactly the kind of move you make with spring training in front of you, not behind you

2 minutes ago, Bob Sacamano said:

I was just talking to his season specifically. Maybe some offseason work and adjustment helps Doyle for next year

He said they suggested a tweak to his hands/stance, which is something that can bear relatively quick fruit like with Vargas last season and Gonzo in the minors this year.

But overall he hasn't really gotten much playing time to evaluate him on. I suspect Getz and co. were concerned about Peters' slump lingering on which would have potentially opened up more CF ABs for a guy with a high defensive floor there, but Peters has picked it back up since.

Doyle did have that 110mph lineout vs. Manaea and his BABIP is low enough (.231) to suggest some bad luck, so time will tell.