I am going to be honest here, 2005 to 2006 is in the back of my head, where we rode our top dogs hard, and then they fell off the next year for the most part. If it were me, I am 100% looking for big innings next year, and I am NOT willing to count on the guys who we used hard in the last two months of the season as a whole. My gut tells me that guys like Newcomb, Hudson, Richards, Burke, Fedde, Schutlz, Taylor etc, are all at pretty high jumps YoY, and/or they were ridden really hard in the last two months of the season. I don't think they all will fall off, but if half had bad years next year, I wouldn't be surprised.

I wonder how deeply the Sox are scouting potential posting targets from NPB for next year. They got a gem in Murakami - perhaps they go to the well again if they feel a starting pitcher is being undervalued. Hiromi Itoh projects as a back-end starter, which is something the starting pitching-starved Sox could use without breaking the bank.

35 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said:

I am going to be honest here, 2005 to 2006 is in the back of my head, where we rode our top dogs hard, and then they fell off the next year for the most part. If it were me, I am 100% looking for big innings next year, and I am NOT willing to count on the guys who we used hard in the last two months of the season as a whole. My gut tells me that guys like Newcomb, Hudson, Richards, Burke, Fedde, Schutlz, Taylor etc, are all at pretty high jumps YoY, and/or they were ridden really hard in the last two months of the season. I don't think they all will fall off, but if half had bad years next year, I wouldn't be surprised.

yes and this is why we need a key FA add. hopefully a TOR type. 3 years say 100 million for one of the vet FAs.

6 minutes ago, chitownsportsfan said:

yes and this is why we need a key FA add. hopefully a TOR type. 3 years say 100 million for one of the vet FAs.

You have to find 300 more starting innings next year. That pushes the rotation into a reasonable spot, and reduces the burden on the pen so they don't get exposed as much.

14 hours ago, SoxBlanco said:

Schultz could be in the mix also.

maybe imo. I kinda feel they are going to slow play him one way or another. maybe he even starts in Charlotte and continues to work on his mechanics in a lower pressure environment. Or they have him out of the pen for more of the year in Chicago.

Grant Taylor is and will be the Closer. It would be extra foolish to move him into the rotation.

Castillo's future is uncertain because it became obvious that he lost velocity, movement and control of his fastball and did not have confidence to even attempt off-speed pitches. More concerning to me was that Castillo looked too nonchalant on the mound. He wasn't focused for whatever reason. A DFA would be a disaster financially for the team but might be the right move during Spring Training if he still sucks.

5 hours ago, joejoesox said:

Sox could get a haul for Grant Taylor, if they aren't sold on him being able to absorb a starter's innings for a full season, trading him this off season could help you find that next potential 2 SP and maybe more, I'm not suggesting they trade him but if someone blows you away you gotta consider it

The way Will has used him this season makes him more valuable than a SP, imo. Sucks for Grant because he won’t get paid as well when he gets to FA down the line, but there’s no way in hell I’m dealing him until he’s knocking on the door of FA.

Why the hell are we having conversations about getting rid of grant taylor when he literally just had one of the best relief performances in postseason history.

Edited 7 hours ago7 hr by AntMan26

4 minutes ago, AntMan26 said:

Why the hell are we having conversations about getting rid of grant taylor when he literally just had one of the best relief performances in postseason history.

Unless there is Mason Miller type deal out there, you don’t.

3 minutes ago, AntMan26 said:

Why the hell are we having conversations about getting rid of grant taylor when he literally just had one of the best relief performances in postseason history.

must be ptsd from the sale and crochet trades but he's not even close to getting expensive and we are not in a rebuild. our window is open now.

2 hours ago, tray said:

Grant Taylor is and will be the Closer. It would be extra foolish to move him into the rotation.

Castillo's future is uncertain because it became obvious that he lost velocity, movement and control of his fastball and did not have confidence to even attempt off-speed pitches. More concerning to me was that Castillo looked too nonchalant on the mound. He wasn't focused for whatever reason. A DFA would be a disaster financially for the team but might be the right move during Spring Training if he still sucks.

I think the point of all of this is that the Sox aren't really following any template of "starters" and "closers". Reading Bannister interviews, he has stressed that strikeouts cost money, so under Reinsdorf, they'll probably try to get the most out of soft contact, and bring along their 53 college IP, "stuff" guys as bullpen arms and openers.

7 hours ago, joejoesox said:

Sox could get a haul for Grant Taylor, if they aren't sold on him being able to absorb a starter's innings for a full season, trading him this off season could help you find that next potential 2 SP and maybe more, I'm not suggesting they trade him but if someone blows you away you gotta consider it

They could get a haul; and if the Sox still figure Taylor as a reliever, they probably should go get that haul.
But hopefully, Taylor starts dominates.
It would be great if H Smith could do the same; but I haven't seen anything about him that suggests starter (under the definition of giving you at least 5 innings, but preferably 6+)

3 hours ago, tray said:

Grant Taylor is and will be the Closer. It would be extra foolish to move him into the rotation.

Castillo's future is uncertain because it became obvious that he lost velocity, movement and control of his fastball and did not have confidence to even attempt off-speed pitches. More concerning to me was that Castillo looked too nonchalant on the mound. He wasn't focused for whatever reason. A DFA would be a disaster financially for the team but might be the right move during Spring Training if he still sucks.

tray and bad takes, name a more iconic duo

People say lots of things. Taylor is not a starter. Hagan Smith can’t be brought up because he can’t throw strikes in the minors.

21 minutes ago, Quin said:

tray and bad takes, name a more iconic duo

Like death and taxes.

Edited 4 hours ago4 hr by WestEddy

1 hour ago, Quin said:

tray and bad takes, name a more iconic duo

Ingress and regress

The success of the 2026 White Sox pitching staff which heavily relies on the bullpen could become a template for pitching staffs throughout the league. A supposedly tired bullpen is also a bullpen that remains ready to pitch.

1 hour ago, Quin said:

tray and bad takes, name a more iconic duo

Take this 🖕

49 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said:

Ingress and regress

LOL> I was 100% right about that but go ahead you vengeful mofo.

"Ald. Pat Dowell (3rd Ward) highlighted that the $216 million podium structure, which includes a 1,200-space underground parking garage, solves a critical engineering problem at The 78 mega-development.

The site features a complex 40-foot grade change between Roosevelt Road and the city-built Wells-Wentworth connector. Deputy Planning Commissioner Jeff Cohen and Ald. Dowell clarified that without building this massive base structure to bridge the elevation gap, the northern section of the vacant rail yard remains completely unbuildable."

The infrastructure is backed by a $425 million Tax Increment Financing (TIF) package approved by the Chicago City Council in July 2026.

Originally,, Mansueto promised this soccer stadium would be privately financed . He lied, but the public is used to that routine by now.

10 minutes ago, tray said:

The success of the 2026 White Sox pitching staff which heavily relies on the bullpen could become a template for pitching staffs throughout the league. A supposedly tired bullpen is also a bullpen that remains ready to pitch.

Take this 🖕

DAYUM he said take this 😂😂😂

4 hours ago, southsider2k5 said:

Unless there is Mason Miller type deal out there, you don’t.

The guy that just blew the game for the padres lol

9 hours ago, joejoesox said:

Sox could get a haul for Grant Taylor, if they aren't sold on him being able to absorb a starter's innings for a full season, trading him this off season could help you find that next potential 2 SP and maybe more, I'm not suggesting they trade him but if someone blows you away you gotta consider it

The Sox are not gonna trade Taylor and, as great as he was yesterday, he’s not going to bring in what Crochet brought.

But let’s assume that Taylor could bring in what Crochet brought. Three really good young prospects. Where are they going to play? Where?

Catcher covered for years.

The infield is overstocked to the point that Mune has to be moved to DH, Vargas to 1st, to find a place to play Roch (Colson either SS or 3rd). Billy Carlson is already completely blocked. Caleb B. has to move the outfield to get a place to play next year, but still where in the outfield?

Where can Caleb B. play in the outfield, or for that matter Antonacci?

Braden Montgomery is in RF and gonna be a ton better next year; he’s there for years. Sox have an all-Star centerfielder who I think is getting moved to LF to make way for the defense, athleticism, and right-hand power bat of Doyle. Peters is gonna be in left, providing the White Sox with, arguably, its best defensive outfield in their history.

Antonacci, as much as I love him, has no starting position next year and is excellent depth. Where is Bonemer going to play?

Don’t you guys understand? The Sox everyday talent has really, really improved since they traded Crochet. So if they traded Taylor for three prospects the equivalent of Chase, Teel, and B. Montgomery, they would be blocked for playing time like Antonacci, Bonemer, and Carlson.

So, there’s absolutely no point to trading Taylor, as silly as the idea was to start with.

34 minutes ago, tray said:

LOL> I was 100% right about that but go ahead you vengeful mofo.

"Ald. Pat Dowell (3rd Ward) highlighted that the $216 million podium structure, which includes a 1,200-space underground parking garage, solves a critical engineering problem at The 78 mega-development.

The site features a complex 40-foot grade change between Roosevelt Road and the city-built Wells-Wentworth connector. Deputy Planning Commissioner Jeff Cohen and Ald. Dowell clarified that without building this massive base structure to bridge the elevation gap, the northern section of the vacant rail yard remains completely unbuildable."

The infrastructure is backed by a $425 million Tax Increment Financing (TIF) package approved by the Chicago City Council in July 2026.

Originally,, Mansueto promised this soccer stadium would be privately financed . He lied, but the public is used to that routine by now.

Sure son. Right.

there is no way on gods green earth that we will be trading established players for prospects. Unless it's a very specific case. We are in win now mode. Next season is ALCS or bust.

Since Vargas played outfield in the dodgers system, wondering what people think about moving him to left field. I think he has the athleticism to potentially become an elite defensive outfielder. He is not Eloy 2.0

27 minutes ago, Colome's Hat said:

Since Vargas played outfield in the dodgers system, wondering what people think about moving him to left field. I think he has the athleticism to potentially become an elite defensive outfielder. He is not Eloy 2.0

I don't think that would ever happen, less than 1% chance, a lot of guys would have to bust out and get injured before they move Vargas to the OF

@vilehoopster trading Taylor would allow another team to dream on him as a SP if the Sox aren't sold on him there. if the Sox see him as a legit starter then trading him doesn't make sense. my whole premise was based on if they don't think he will be able to handle the work load

they are really pushing him right now beyond anything he's ever done as a pitcher, so I feel like they're gonna know in the next 30 days if his arm can handle it, I remember specifically it being reported this year that he was already not feeling great after working more than 1 inning. right now he's got that post season adrenaline bump, how does he fare next season in regular games

this is all speculation and discussing random s%*# bro, it's not that big of a deal re: "Don't you guys understand?" 😂