Chisoxfn Posted October 30, 2004 Share Posted October 30, 2004 Baltimore is looking for a starting pitcher and a righthanded-hitting outfielder and may move or non-tender Jay Gibbons ... The White Sox have little money, and Ken Williams is starting at shortstop and trying to find a starter and an outfielder First off, if were looking for an outfielder and Gibbons gets non-tendered, I think he would be a good option at 1.5 mill or so and I think you could get him at a very very reasonable price if he is non-tendered. He had a very down year and he isn't amazing, but he's solid defensively and has very good left handed power. He always seemed like he had potential to be a pretty good offensive player. Anyway, I think if the Sox add a shortstop, starter, and outfielder (Gibbons maybe) then this team would have most of their holes filled. I do think it would be nice to get a good reliever, but at the same time Marte should be better next year and I guess we'll have to hope Shingo will be great in a full season as closer. If we don't add another reliever, Politte and Cotts are really going to have to step it up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shagar69 Posted October 30, 2004 Share Posted October 30, 2004 yeah, i wouldnt mind gibbons. but then we'd have a 4 mil bench players in jurassic. we gotta get rid of his ass somehow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted October 30, 2004 Author Share Posted October 30, 2004 yeah, i wouldnt mind gibbons. but then we'd have a 4 mil bench players in jurassic. we gotta get rid of his ass somehow. I fully expect Lee to be moved, so I'm assuming we'd have an outfield of Jurassic/Gload-Rowand-Gibbons (or someone else). I know it wouldn't be the best outfield in the world. If its the case you sign him. However, maybe if they deal Lee then they could add a reliever. Who knows to be honest, but thats a good point. IF htey were able to get another starter, Omar, and sign Gibbons then I'd be happy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aboz56 Posted October 30, 2004 Share Posted October 30, 2004 If we don't add another reliever, Politte and Cotts are really going to have to step it up. Cotts needs to get some confidence and not nibble around the plate. The kid can pitch, sometimes I wonder if he even believes it himself though. I really think we should give him a chance at starting next year, sign a good starter via FA and get Judy out of here. Buehrle Garcia FA (Pavano, Perez, perhaps Milton) Contreras Cotts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T R U Posted October 30, 2004 Share Posted October 30, 2004 Cotts needs to get some confidence and not nibble around the plate. The kid can pitch, sometimes I wonder if he even believes it himself though. I really think we should give him a chance at starting next year, sign a good starter via FA and get Judy out of here. Buehrle Garcia FA (Pavano, Perez, perhaps Milton) Contreras Cotts Yeah since Cotts will do SO much better than Garland :headshake Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shagar69 Posted October 30, 2004 Share Posted October 30, 2004 I fully expect Lee to be moved, so I'm assuming we'd have an outfield of Jurassic/Gload-Rowand-Gibbons (or someone else). I know it wouldn't be the best outfield in the world. If its the case you sign him. However, maybe if they deal Lee then they could add a reliever. Who knows to be honest, but thats a good point. IF htey were able to get another starter, Omar, and sign Gibbons then I'd be happy. wow, thats a pretty s***ty OF! if we trade lee, we better get a HELL of a lot more than a reliever. we better get a #1 type starter in return otherwise that team sucks and wont win 80 games Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted October 30, 2004 Author Share Posted October 30, 2004 wow, thats a pretty s***ty OF! if we trade lee, we better get a HELL of a lot more than a reliever. we better get a #1 type starter in return otherwise that team sucks and wont win 80 games I just through it out there, who knows whats going to happen. Maybe Konerko goes instead and Gload will play 1st. I mean Everett is gonna be DH'ing at the start of the season anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted October 30, 2004 Share Posted October 30, 2004 First off, if were looking for an outfielder and Gibbons gets non-tendered, I think he would be a good option at 1.5 mill or so and I think you could get him at a very very reasonable price if he is non-tendered. He had a very down year and he isn't amazing, but he's solid defensively and has very good left handed power. He always seemed like he had potential to be a pretty good offensive player. Anyway, I think if the Sox add a shortstop, starter, and outfielder (Gibbons maybe) then this team would have most of their holes filled. I do think it would be nice to get a good reliever, but at the same time Marte should be better next year and I guess we'll have to hope Shingo will be great in a full season as closer. If we don't add another reliever, Politte and Cotts are really going to have to step it up. If Gibbons is non tendered I think he'd be a great player to look at. However I think if the sox sign vizquel it's more important to go after a starter and a reliever, jmo. I think the sox can survive with the pen they have, however if they could sign a percival or trade for a baez or someone like that, the backend of the pen could be absolutely dominate with politte, marte, shingo, percival/baez/whoever, add cotts and adkins to the front end of that pen and that bullpen would have a chance to be absolutely outstanding. I honestly expect Jurrassic to come to st in shape and I fully expect him to have a huge year that's the main reason I think we can live without another outfielder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punch and Judy Garland Posted October 30, 2004 Share Posted October 30, 2004 It is interesting to note that most of us agree that the Sox were wrong to move Foulke because he didn't throw hard enough despite being pretty successful and now we're saying the same thing about Shingo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted October 30, 2004 Share Posted October 30, 2004 Gibbons is the same all or nothing OF that we have all over our roster right now. Nothing against the guy, but no thanks. I want us to sign a CFer if we are going to sign another OFer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
santo=dorf Posted October 30, 2004 Share Posted October 30, 2004 Gibbons is the same all or nothing OF that we have all over our roster right now. Nothing against the guy, but no thanks. I want us to sign a CFer if we are going to sign another OFer. I agree. He will also scare the children at USCF. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shagar69 Posted October 30, 2004 Share Posted October 30, 2004 I agree. He will also scare the children at USCF. yeah, him and borchard are two of the ugliest people ive ever seen! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beck72 Posted October 30, 2004 Share Posted October 30, 2004 It is interesting to note that most of us agree that the Sox were wrong to move Foulke because he didn't throw hard enough despite being pretty successful and now we're saying the same thing about Shingo. No one is talking about trading Shingo. People are just saying they'd like insurance in case he can't do the job, or gets hurt. If he goes down, what other option is there? We know Shingo can do the job in set up as well as close. What I'd like to see the Sox do is get a hard throwing setup guy who could close. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butter Parque Posted October 30, 2004 Share Posted October 30, 2004 I just don't understand how we would want to keep a .270 hitter who can hit 30-40 HR's rathe rather then a .290-.300 hitter who can hit 30-40 HR's. It doesn't make sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoodAsGould Posted October 30, 2004 Share Posted October 30, 2004 the thing against shingo is japanese pitchers are known to have 1 good year and then it seems hitters catch up to them... so it would be really smart to have insurance on shingo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redandwhite Posted October 30, 2004 Share Posted October 30, 2004 Gibbons is the same all or nothing OF that we have all over our roster right now. Nothing against the guy, but no thanks. I want us to sign a CFer if we are going to sign another OFer. I love this mindset, and with that being said, what do you think about going out and trading for Andruw Jones? He is currently owed 51 million dollars over the next four years if I am not mistaking, but if we can get that contract down from 12 to about 7-8, I would love it. 27 years old, gold glove centerfielder, 30-40 home run power, 100+ rbis and a high .200's average. Someones going to take him off the Braves hands, why not it be the White Sox. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redandwhite Posted October 30, 2004 Share Posted October 30, 2004 If we make a deal with the Braves, its going to be fore Ortiz. I would want Jones, but I dont know what we would give up. Would this be reasonable? Konerko,Garland,Adkins, and PTBNL for Ortiz,Jones. The Braves want to dump Andruw Jones. No need to go out and hand them over quality talent in this type of deal. Andruw Jones for prospects, and no deal for Ortiz. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redandwhite Posted October 30, 2004 Share Posted October 30, 2004 or atleast don't trade Garland to acquire Ortiz. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redandwhite Posted October 30, 2004 Share Posted October 30, 2004 c: burke/davis 1b: konerko 2b: uribe ss: visquel 3b: crede lf: Everett cf: Jones rf: rowand gload perez valdez harris burke/davis buehrle garcia contreras garland starter acquired in carlos lee trade. politte cotts marte takatsu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redandwhite Posted October 30, 2004 Share Posted October 30, 2004 they value jd drew higher than they do andruw jones in my opinion. they can trade jones and get some prospects to retain drew, or they can keep jones and lose drew for nothing on the free agent market. the former is the obvious choice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redandwhite Posted October 30, 2004 Share Posted October 30, 2004 garland is capable of being a twenty game winner in chicago, theres no reason to force him out of town. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redandwhite Posted October 30, 2004 Share Posted October 30, 2004 What would that accomplish?? I would rather have Lee than Andruw Jones. Your saying trade Carlos for a SP. Why not just sign one of the market. Lowe, Clement, Perez. By getting Andruw Jones, which you think can get by just prospects, we would clean out alot of the farm. By keeping Lee,(who like I said I would rather have anyway) you dont need to trade any prospects. I just dont get your thinking here. BTW, what prospects, names, would we be trading for Jones?? in a perfect world, my outfield would be lee, jones, rowand. with that being said, lee is a hot commodity on the trade market, and jones is not. if your able to acquire and solve other needs by trading lee, then its a no brainer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwerty Posted October 30, 2004 Share Posted October 30, 2004 If we make a deal with the Braves, its going to be fore Ortiz. I would want Jones, but I dont know what we would give up. Would this be reasonable? Konerko,Garland,Adkins, and PTBNL for Ortiz,Jones. Ortiz is a free agent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chisox05 Posted October 30, 2004 Share Posted October 30, 2004 I love this mindset, and with that being said, what do you think about going out and trading for Andruw Jones? He is currently owed 51 million dollars over the next four years if I am not mistaking, but if we can get that contract down from 12 to about 7-8, I would love it. 27 years old, gold glove centerfielder, 30-40 home run power, 100+ rbis and a high .200's average. Someones going to take him off the Braves hands, why not it be the White Sox. Andruw Jones I remember midseason we had a practically done deal- jones for ordonez, so obviously kenny likes him. I am keeping my eye on all of these guys that kenny targeted but couldnt get in offseason and midseason. Also, because of jones fairly large contract, we could trade something like garland and borchard for him. This would give us LF-Carl Everett(Im actually expecting a solid year from him) CF-Andruw Jones(Very solid all around player) RF-Aaron Rowand(Coming off big year-not sure what we will get this year) WITH LF/CF/RF-Timo Perez(Much healthier and faster(injured w/out telling any1)and he is a great clutch hitter and great arm, can play lfcfrf all well) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redandwhite Posted October 30, 2004 Share Posted October 30, 2004 Yes, but you wouldnt need to trade Lee, and just sign a FA pitcher. Who speciificly are you thinking about trading Lee for? RJ? I think the pitching market is deep enough that a trade is not needed to sign a solid starter. An outfield of Lee, Rowand and Everret is still pretty solid, and by trading Lee, and putting Jones in the mix doesnt make it the team that much better, if at all. I guess we will just agree to disagree, but I think your shooting yourself in the foot by giving away prospects(which it will take more than that to get Andruw) when you really dont have to, and still put your team in a great positon. For some reason, and I might be wrong, I think some team will be willing to give up quite a bit of talent in a trade for Lee. One tier down from what the Brewers got for Sexson, if you will. Maybe a possible deal with the Blue Jays: Blue Jays trade: Vinnie Chulk, Kevin Cash, Acquilino Lopez, Ted Lilly, plus. White Sox trade: Carlos Lee Take it for what its worth. Like I said, I think Lee is a hot commodity in the trade market. Im not wrong, your not right, just two different opinions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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