chisox05 Posted November 7, 2004 Share Posted November 7, 2004 I doubt he will get it but his only real contender is crosby. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwerty Posted November 7, 2004 Share Posted November 7, 2004 If you doubt it, why would you make a thread about it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwerty Posted November 7, 2004 Share Posted November 7, 2004 Takatsu for ROY is complete joke. Crosby will run away with it, and I think Grienke should come in 2nd. Takatsu shouldnt even be a canidate. Rios and frasor from the blue jays will also get some votes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shagar69 Posted November 7, 2004 Share Posted November 7, 2004 Takatsu for ROY is complete joke. Crosby will run away with it, and I think Grienke should come in 2nd. Takatsu shouldnt even be a canidate. agreed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Critic Posted November 7, 2004 Share Posted November 7, 2004 While I don't think he should win it, I don't think it's a joke to consider him. As long as being a rookie means being in your first year of MLB, then he should be considered. He had a damn good year and that shouldn't be overlooked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackie hayes Posted November 7, 2004 Share Posted November 7, 2004 I don't think there's anything strange talking about Takatsu as roy. His overall numbers put him in the top tier of AL relievers. Â But he won't win. If Matsui wasn't selected, no way Takatsu is. (Unless the writers are sensitive to some of the criticism of that vote, which is doubtful.) Â Why is Crosby such a shoe-in? He was pretty brutal at the plate in the 2nd half. I'd probably rank them Greinke, Takatsu, Crosby. And what's the deal w/ Morneau? Is he eligible? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackie hayes Posted November 7, 2004 Share Posted November 7, 2004 The way I look at it, is that Shingo was in a Professonal leauge over in Japan. He was in Japan's equivalent to our MLB. Yes, this was his 1st year in the MLB, but all it was to me is a professonal baseball player going into another established leauge. Â Im not trying to take anything away from Shingo, he was a gigantic bright spot in the 2004 campaign, and we all know how good of a year he had. I just think Rookie of the Year is the wrong award to be given to him. But according to MLB rules, a person shouldn't consider that when voting. I believe the directions are to vote for the best player who's in his first full year in this league -- no exceptions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkokieSox Posted November 7, 2004 Share Posted November 7, 2004 Takatsu for ROY is complete joke. Crosby will run away with it, and I think Grienke should come in 2nd. Takatsu shouldnt even be a canidate. I agree, but if Ichiro and Matsui can become ROY candidates, then Takatsu should be as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punch and Judy Garland Posted November 7, 2004 Share Posted November 7, 2004 if people don't like it , change the damn rule. Shing should finish in the top 3 no question about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwerty Posted November 7, 2004 Share Posted November 7, 2004 I don't think there's anything strange talking about Takatsu as roy. His overall numbers put him in the top tier of AL relievers. But he won't win. If Matsui wasn't selected, no way Takatsu is. (Unless the writers are sensitive to some of the criticism of that vote, which is doubtful.)  Why is Crosby such a shoe-in? He was pretty brutal at the plate in the 2nd half. I'd probably rank them Greinke, Takatsu, Crosby. And what's the deal w/ Morneau? Is he eligible? Crosby plays one of the more important posistions and is an everyday player unlike grienke and shingo. I still don't think shingo should win it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxAce Posted November 7, 2004 Share Posted November 7, 2004 I agree, but if Ichiro and Matsui can become ROY candidates, then Takatsu should be as well. Agreed and they both won. I would have no problem with Shingo winning it regardless if it isn't right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackie hayes Posted November 7, 2004 Share Posted November 7, 2004 Crosby plays one of the more important posistions and is an everyday player unlike grienke and shingo. I still don't think shingo should win it. I am trying to keep that in mind, but is a starting shortstop more important than a starting pitcher? And even if he is, how much of a boost does that give him? Crosby was (I've heard) a good defender, but his struggles at the plate are a big strike against him, imo, while Greinke was as good as any sp on the Sox while in the ML. But everyone weighs these things differently. Â I take a lot away from Takatsu b/c he didn't pitch very much (not that that was his fault, just in terms of judging his overall contribution). If he threw 80+ innings, I'd probably put him above Greinke. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackie hayes Posted November 7, 2004 Share Posted November 7, 2004 Agreed and they both won. I would have no problem with Shingo winning it regardless if it isn't right. Matsui didn't win, Berroa did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxAce Posted November 7, 2004 Share Posted November 7, 2004 Matsui didn't win, Berroa did. Ah my fault. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWSGuy406 Posted November 7, 2004 Share Posted November 7, 2004 I'm indifferent to it. Â If Shingo happens to win it, great for him - just some nice recognition for a hell of a year that he had. If he doesn't win it, oh well, no big deal -- doesn't take anything away from what he did this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butter Parque Posted November 8, 2004 Share Posted November 8, 2004 I'd rank it: Â Bobby Crosby Zack Greinke Madrisich Shingo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted November 8, 2004 Share Posted November 8, 2004 Takatsu for ROY is complete joke. Crosby will run away with it, and I think Grienke should come in 2nd. Takatsu shouldnt even be a canidate. I agree that he shouldn't be eligible but with these rules he is eligible so he should definitely be considered, imo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rudy Law Posted November 8, 2004 Share Posted November 8, 2004 Berroa beat Matsui because two writer left Matsui off their ballots completely. The NHL has a rule, where I believe a player has to be 27 or younger to qualify for the ROY award. Â Until that rule is amended, and it should be, Shingo has to be considered. I think he should finish second to Crosby. Greinke and Madritsch were good, and I'd prefer both of them for the future. But what should be considered is the overall contribution made, regardless of future potential, and Shingo bests them both in that regard. Â I know the only rules of eligibility are fewer than 45 days service or less than 130 ab's. Morneau is not eligible based on 2003, and had Mauer been injured 8 more days--he would have been eligible next year. Â Speaking of ROY, Was there ever a weeker AL ROY than Ozzie Guillen? Gregg Olson? Marty Cordova? Maybe Joe Charboneau. I can't think of any. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Critic Posted November 8, 2004 Share Posted November 8, 2004 I'd rank it:Â Bobby Crosby Zack Greinke Madrisich Shingo I think I'd put him ahead of Madritsch, but still rank him 3rd. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2OutRally Posted November 8, 2004 Share Posted November 8, 2004 I was stating my dislike that he can be called a rookie, thats all. Since Shingo is up for the award, I guess I do hope he gets it, just to get some props, but I still think its the wronng award. I agree.... I mean, wasn't he the all time saves leader in Japan and to come here and win ROY? Thats kinda crazy because... he's not a rookie. Â It should be called...First Year Most Amazing Player in the MLB Award. And then Shingo should win. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSteve Posted November 8, 2004 Share Posted November 8, 2004 I agree.... I mean, wasn't he the all time saves leader in Japan and to come here and win ROY? Thats kinda crazy because... he's not a rookie. Â It should be called...First Year Most Amazing Player in the MLB Award. Â And then Shingo should win. I agree. As I've said before, I was against Matsui winning last year for the same reasons brought up against Shingo. So I say he shouldn't win. I'll be happy as hell if he does, but I don't think he should. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AngelasDaddy0427 Posted November 8, 2004 Share Posted November 8, 2004 I disagree I think he should be rookie of the year. It's his first major league season. He should win too. SHINGO TIME! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesox91403 Posted November 8, 2004 Share Posted November 8, 2004 Maybe they will invent an award recognizing an established Japanese player who comes over here and has a great first season awar. Ok, I doubt it, Speaking on a bias, I say give it to Shingo. But hell, I thought MIke Caruso should have won the award a few years ago too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smalls2598 Posted November 8, 2004 Share Posted November 8, 2004 so shingo ended up taking 2nd in the voting.  ESPN ROY link  NEW YORK -- Oakland Athletics shortstop Bobby Crosby was just a vote shy of being a unanimous pick for AL Rookie of the Year, and Pittsburgh Pirates outfielder Jason Bay won the NL award Monday.    Crosby received 27 of 28 first-place votes in balloting by the Baseball Writers' Association of America for 138 points. Chicago White Sox closer Shingo Takatsu received the other first-place vote and finished second with 44 points, followed by Baltimore pitcher Daniel Cabrera with 29 points.   Bay, the first Pittsburgh player and first native Canadian to win the NL award, got 25 of 32 first-place votes and 146 points. San Diego shortstop Khalil Greene received seven first-place votes, 24 seconds and one third for 108 points, and Padres reliever Akinori Otsuka was next with 23 points.    Crosby, 24, took over Oakland's shortstop job from 2002 AL MVP Miguel Tejada, who signed with Baltimore. Crosby hit .239 with 22 homers and 64 RBIs, his average the lowest for a non-pitcher given the award.    He led AL rookies in hits (130), doubles (34) and walks (58), and was third among all AL players with 4.17 pitches per plate appearance. However, his 141 strikeouts were the most for Oakland since Jose Canseco's 152 in 1991.    Crosby became the sixth A's player to earn the honor, following Harry Byrd (1952), Canseco (1986), Mark McGwire (1987), Walt Weiss (1988) and Ben Grieve (1998).    Bay hit .282 with 26 homers and 82 RBIs. The 26-year-old from Trail, British Columbia, had the most homers by an NL rookie since Albert Pujols hit 37 three years ago. Bay started the season on the disabled list while recovering from surgery on his right shoulder and didn't play his first major league game of the season until May 7.    Pittsburgh had been the only pre-expansion team without a rookie of the year, with four players finishing second: first baseman Donn Clendenon (1962), second baseman Johnny Ray (1982), pitcher Mike Dunne (1987) and outfielder-first baseman Orlando Merced (1991).1991 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonkeyKongerko Posted November 8, 2004 Share Posted November 8, 2004 I'm surprised Shingo did as well as he did. There should be an award like Newcomer of the Year for non-rookies spending their first season in MLB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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