AddisonStSox Posted January 8, 2005 Share Posted January 8, 2005 Now that Kenny has devoted himself to the "New Look White Sox," who on the current roster is expendable and proves valuable in the trade market? Whether it was the inability to snag Omar Vizquel, the trade of Carlos Lee, or the surprise signing of El Duque and Pierznski, the future of the White Sox has become painfully obvious. The White Sox we have been accustomed to over the past 2-4 years may no longer fit the dynamic of this ball club. Who, in your best judgment, is expendable? Do we have players on this roster that would undoubtedly bring a nice return in the trade market? Do we have players on this roster that would qualify as a salary dump? I ask these questions because I have identified at least two members of the Sox that would best serve this ball club in the trade market. 1. Cliff Politte. I believe with the addition of Dustin Hermanson and Louis Vizcaino and the improvement of both Cotts and Adkins, Politte no longer plays a necessary role in the bullpen of 2005 and beyond. Politte, a right-handed set-up/long reliever has found his match in Dustin Hermanson. Hermanson can set-up, provide long relief, and spot-start. Although you could never have too many strong arms in the bullpen, I believe Politte would best serve this team in a trade for either a middle infielder, a young IF prospect, or a younger arm for the bullpen. If the Sox prove to be contenders in 2005, look for Politte to draw heavy interest around the trade deadline. 2. Willie Harris. I will try to make this claim with no anti-Willie bias. With the addition of a middle infielder on the horizon, does Willie become a necessity in 2005? IMO, he does not. I believe trading Willie Harris could be rather productive for the Sox. Many clubs out there have a need for speedy, rangey middle infielders, and I think many of those clubs would overpay. Why? I don't know. Anyone that has watched Willie play on a day-to-day basis like we have over the past few seasons knows Willie remains one of the biggest question marks on this club. Do we have a legit, everyday starting second baseman or do we have an average glorified pinch-runner? It seems both Ozzie and Kenny don't like Harris and I think he stands just as good a chance as anybody in terms of getting dealt. Have at it fellas. Who can/should be dealt? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3E8 Posted January 8, 2005 Share Posted January 8, 2005 I was hoping they'd deal Konerko this offseason. He chews up more than 10% of our payroll and several teams would probably be interested. Coming off best offensive year yet. I think Gload is Major League ready. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knightni Posted January 8, 2005 Share Posted January 8, 2005 I support the trading of Harris while he still has value. Pollitte might not be moved. It just depends on which member of the bullpen wants the biggest raise. Then, THAT player will be traded before he is due $$$. If Crede has a decent season, he will stay. But honestly, if he turns it around, he would be great trade bait. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buehrle>Wood Posted January 8, 2005 Share Posted January 8, 2005 Marte could defiantly get a great package in return. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted January 8, 2005 Share Posted January 8, 2005 mate, crede, harris, everett, adkins, politte, cotts, diaz and borchard. obviously not all at the same time. put a combo of the players with a minor leaguer and make a trade for a really good pitching prospect or mlb pit youngster with upside potential. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WilliamTell Posted January 8, 2005 Share Posted January 8, 2005 I like Borchard, but the guy can't do anything it seems. If he has any trade value, throw him out there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bjm676 Posted January 8, 2005 Share Posted January 8, 2005 Joe Borchard. I heard they were in need of a bag of balls. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knightni Posted January 8, 2005 Share Posted January 8, 2005 QUOTE(robinventura23 @ Jan 8, 2005 -> 03:35 PM) Joe Borchard. I heard they were in need of a bag of balls. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AngelasDaddy0427 Posted January 8, 2005 Share Posted January 8, 2005 It's nice to make a list of all of our crappy players and make believe that every other GM in baseball is stupid enough to give us something of value for them. IMO Willie Harris is one of the best defensive secondbasemen in the game today and he will eventually, like Cora, come around offensively and put up a really solid year. The only problem is that it's no secret that the managment doesn't like his attitude so we wouldn't get anything for him. Thats the one thing that pisses me off about Ozzie. Yes it's fun to hear him bad mouthing some player we might not like but it also takes away any value that player has. In a dream world I would love to see the sox trade Borchard, Harris, Everett if we could get something for them. However I just can't imagine anyone giving us anything worth s*** for them. Also IMO Diaz needs to stay with this team. He should be the backup plan incase any of our starters get hurt or we need an extra arm in the pen. Under no circumstances should he be traded unless they offer something very special. I don't want Jason Grilli on this team at all. Diaz>>Grilli Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted January 8, 2005 Share Posted January 8, 2005 timo perez prolly isn't big trade bait, but he's anti ozzie....very slow, suspect defense (see lack of speed) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Kickass Posted January 8, 2005 Share Posted January 8, 2005 I'd agree that Timo and Wee Willie are the most likely candidates for a trade... with Politte or Diaz being the most likely candidates on the pitching mound. I mostly wrote this to use the words Wee and Willie in the same sentence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvilJester99 Posted January 8, 2005 Share Posted January 8, 2005 Probably tough to get rid of as well but Grilli would have to be on this list as well... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxfest Posted January 9, 2005 Share Posted January 9, 2005 QUOTE(AddisonStSox @ Jan 8, 2005 -> 01:07 PM) Now that Kenny has devoted himself to the "New Look White Sox," who on the current roster is expendable and proves valuable in the trade market? Whether it was the inability to snag Omar Vizquel, the trade of Carlos Lee, or the surprise signing of El Duque and Pierznski, the future of the White Sox has become painfully obvious. The White Sox we have been accustomed to over the past 2-4 years may no longer fit the dynamic of this ball club. Who, in your best judgment, is expendable? Do we have players on this roster that would undoubtedly bring a nice return in the trade market? Do we have players on this roster that would qualify as a salary dump? I ask these questions because I have identified at least two members of the Sox that would best serve this ball club in the trade market. 1. Cliff Politte. I believe with the addition of Dustin Hermanson and Louis Vizcaino and the improvement of both Cotts and Adkins, Politte no longer plays a necessary role in the bullpen of 2005 and beyond. Politte, a right-handed set-up/long reliever has found his match in Dustin Hermanson. Hermanson can set-up, provide long relief, and spot-start. Although you could never have too many strong arms in the bullpen, I believe Politte would best serve this team in a trade for either a middle infielder, a young IF prospect, or a younger arm for the bullpen. If the Sox prove to be contenders in 2005, look for Politte to draw heavy interest around the trade deadline. 2. Willie Harris. I will try to make this claim with no anti-Willie bias. With the addition of a middle infielder on the horizon, does Willie become a necessity in 2005? IMO, he does not. I believe trading Willie Harris could be rather productive for the Sox. Many clubs out there have a need for speedy, rangey middle infielders, and I think many of those clubs would overpay. Why? I don't know. Anyone that has watched Willie play on a day-to-day basis like we have over the past few seasons knows Willie remains one of the biggest question marks on this club. Do we have a legit, everyday starting second baseman or do we have an average glorified pinch-runner? It seems both Ozzie and Kenny don't like Harris and I think he stands just as good a chance as anybody in terms of getting dealt. Have at it fellas. Who can/should be dealt? Nobody wants worthless Harris he has NO trade value at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chisox05 Posted January 9, 2005 Share Posted January 9, 2005 Harris and Politte would be who id try to trade. The loss of either one of them wouldnt really hurt the sox. We have a crowded bullpen and id in fact be happier having jbaj or munoz be on the team than politte. Harris still has value. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwerty Posted January 9, 2005 Share Posted January 9, 2005 QUOTE(Soxfest @ Jan 8, 2005 -> 06:29 PM) Nobody wants worthless Harris he has NO trade value at all. How is that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AddisonStSox Posted January 9, 2005 Author Share Posted January 9, 2005 QUOTE(qwerty @ Jan 8, 2005 -> 06:56 PM) How is that? I second that. Please explain why he was no trade value. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBAHO Posted January 9, 2005 Share Posted January 9, 2005 I think it's more likely Adkins would be dealt before Politte but of course it would depend on the return. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chisox05 Posted January 9, 2005 Share Posted January 9, 2005 I think it's more likely Adkins would be dealt before Politte but of course it would depend on the return. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Id definetely would rather have adkins dealt, he cant handle pressure situations, even 7th and 8th inning situations. He would muster up a good era and ozzie would put him as a setup and hed fail, this happened a couple of times and shows his mental attitude, i dont want guys like that on our team and we could get value in return, however i doubt KW would want to trade him, its almost a matter of pride in the fact that he traded durham for him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted January 9, 2005 Share Posted January 9, 2005 QUOTE(chisox05 @ Jan 9, 2005 -> 04:29 AM) however i doubt KW would want to trade him, its almost a matter of pride in the fact that he traded durham for him. are you sure you got the right trade, we got cotts from oak diaz from sfo adkin from???? if i am mistaken, i am say sorry right away. i got a little mixed up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxmatt Posted January 9, 2005 Share Posted January 9, 2005 QUOTE(LDF @ Jan 8, 2005 -> 10:37 PM) are you sure you got the right trade, we got cotts from oak diaz from sfo adkin from???? if i am mistaken, i am say sorry right away. i got a little mixed up We got adkins from Oakland in 2002. The trade was Ray durham to oakland for Adkins. It was done right at the trade deadline. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chisox05 Posted January 9, 2005 Share Posted January 9, 2005 are you sure you got the right trade, we got cotts from oak diaz from sfo adkin from???? if i am mistaken, i am say sorry right away. i got a little mixed up <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Durham for Adkins trade deadline a couple years ago with the ATHLETICS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted January 9, 2005 Share Posted January 9, 2005 QUOTE(Chisoxmatt @ Jan 8, 2005 -> 11:19 PM) We got adkins from Oakland in 2002. The trade was Ray durham to oakland for Adkins. It was done right at the trade deadline. Didn't we get Adkins from SF for Lofton? I could very well be wrong on this. My memory isn't what it used to be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted January 9, 2005 Share Posted January 9, 2005 QUOTE(YASNY @ Jan 9, 2005 -> 05:38 AM) Didn't we get Adkins from SF for Lofton? I could very well be wrong on this. My memory isn't what it used to be. i know remember the trade, it was ray to oak for adkins and a ptbnl who wounded up being cotts. diaz came from sfo for lofton Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
santo=dorf Posted January 9, 2005 Share Posted January 9, 2005 QUOTE(LDF @ Jan 8, 2005 -> 11:53 PM) i know remember the trade, it was ray to oak for adkins and a ptbnl who wounded up being cotts. diaz came from sfo for lofton <{POST_SNAPBACK}> 2002: Ray for Adkins and $ 2002: Lofton for Diaz and Meaux 2003: Mark Johnson, Keith Foulke, Joe Valentine for Billy Koch and Neal Cotts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxAce Posted January 9, 2005 Share Posted January 9, 2005 QUOTE(santo=dorf @ Jan 9, 2005 -> 12:03 AM) 2003: Mark Johnson, Keith Foulke, Joe Valentine for Billy Koch and Neal Cotts I was just about to say that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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