qwerty Posted January 25, 2005 Share Posted January 25, 2005 Some of these predictions are crazy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted January 25, 2005 Share Posted January 25, 2005 QUOTE(qwerty @ Jan 24, 2005 -> 07:13 PM) Some of these predictions are crazy. What are your predictions then aj, don't hold back on us Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TLAK Posted January 25, 2005 Share Posted January 25, 2005 QUOTE(qwerty @ Jan 24, 2005 -> 07:13 PM) Some of these predictions are crazy. My plan is better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3E8 Posted January 25, 2005 Share Posted January 25, 2005 QUOTE(qwerty @ Jan 24, 2005 -> 07:13 PM) Some of these predictions are crazy. I think I'll call you Cheat jr. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxFan562004 Posted January 25, 2005 Share Posted January 25, 2005 I'm predicting like .280, 10hrs, and 30sb... and that's great with me... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted January 25, 2005 Share Posted January 25, 2005 I have no idea at all. Not the slightest clue, and I can't even make a guess...there are too many variables that are undecided...how much of an effect will an extreme hitters park have on Iguchi(and USCF is an extreme hitters park...how else can you explain us hitting 242 homers last year WITHOUT Maggs and Frank for half a year? Guys stepped up, but the balls also had to have carried easier as well), how much of an effect will MLB pitching have on him, how fast is he really, how good is he really....I have never seen him play, so I can't comment. I will just say that the Sox seem to really like him, so he better atleast produce some bang for the buck. Â However, just let me say that I think it is funny some of those who are putting up .330 OBP's and say he is an upgrade over Harris. Color me pink, but isn't a .343 OBP(plus a .366ish OBP against RHP) at > better then a .330 OBP at $2.3 mill? Â Not saying I don't like the move...just saying he may not be nearly the upgrade some thought. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwerty Posted January 25, 2005 Share Posted January 25, 2005 QUOTE(3E8 @ Jan 24, 2005 -> 07:28 PM) I think I'll call you Cheat jr. Â Why because i don't think he will be great this year? I have no clue what he is gonna do but i don't see him hitting .300 in his first year with 25 homeruns and 80 rbis. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3E8 Posted January 25, 2005 Share Posted January 25, 2005 No, because we were already forewarned about having high expectations and had a couple kool-aid referrences. Did we really need it again? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxAce Posted January 25, 2005 Share Posted January 25, 2005 QUOTE(qwerty @ Jan 24, 2005 -> 07:57 PM) Why because i don't think he will be great this year? Â Also a stat machine.. Like Cheat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gene Honda Civic Posted January 25, 2005 Author Share Posted January 25, 2005 G AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB IBB HBP K SB CS SH SF GIDP AVE OBP SLG 91 263 43 56 9 4 8 35 24 0 10 78 3 3 0 4 6 .212 .299 .368 162 497 87 104 27 6 22 104 28 0 10 181 16 9 11 9 10 .209 .261 .416 139 455 63 110 22 1 16 81 41 0 13 121 19 9 0 9 17 .242 .318 .400 65 198 30 51 13 3 7 35 14 0 3 33 6 2 2 3 7 .260 .315 .463 162 628 114 156 31 2 21 115 45 0 15 143 48 8 2 7 19 .248 .311 .404 132 495 86 129 18 2 15 78 31 0 13 87 26 9 0 7 11 .259 .316 .393 156 586 122 193 29 2 20 129 70 2 17 91 46 5 0 11 12 .329 .409 .483 151 611 108 197 38 2 19 110 40 2 9 111 20 6 0 14 18 .322 .364 .485 Â Here are some updated MLE's for Iguchi. These are made by a poster over at BTF. They are corrected for League(AL) and park(USCF) -- Years go from '97 at top to '04 at bottom. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBAHO Posted January 25, 2005 Share Posted January 25, 2005 QUOTE(Gene Honda Civic @ Jan 25, 2005 -> 04:36 PM)  G AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB IBB HBP K SB CS SH SF GIDP AVE OBP SLG 91 263 43 56 9 4 8 35 24 0 10 78 3 3 0 4  6 .212 .299 .368 162 497 87 104 27 6 22 104 28 0 10 181 16 9 11 9 10 .209 .261 .416 139 455 63 110 22 1 16 81 41 0 13 121 19 9 0 9 17 .242 .318 .400 65 198 30 51 13 3 7 35 14 0 3 33 6 2 2 3  7 .260 .315 .463 162 628 114 156 31 2 21 115 45 0 15 143 48 8 2 7 19 .248 .311 .404 132 495 86 129 18 2 15 78 31 0 13 87 26 9 0 7 11 .259 .316 .393 156 586 122 193 29 2 20 129 70 2 17 91 46 5 0 11 12 .329 .409 .483 151 611 108 197 38 2 19 110 40 2 9 111 20 6 0 14 18 .322 .364 .485  Here are some updated MLE's for Iguchi. These are made by a poster over at BTF. They are corrected for League(AL) and park(USCF) -- Years go from '97 at top to '04 at bottom. I know you have doubts on Iguchi Gene, and you've got every right to. But looking at those last 2 seasons, gives me more hope than not, especially after he changed his batting stance, and starting hitting the ball over all parts of the park, and not just pulling the fastball. If he does that here, I think he'll do fine, but like I've said before he'll have to make adjustments with the 2 seam fastball. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted January 25, 2005 Share Posted January 25, 2005 .329 20 129 .409 .483 .892 and .322 19 110 .364 .485 .849 should not be expected at all, nor should they be predicted. Â I'll just say I wouldn't throw .250 15 50 .310 .390 .700 out the window, and I'm not gonna throw .310 25 100 .380 .470 .850 out the window either. I have no idea what we can expect from this guy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted January 25, 2005 Share Posted January 25, 2005 i am happy the sox are still trying to improve this offseason.  however, i find this unusual that i am in agreement with qwerty, man i never thought i would agree with him on anything, but why does alot of people think he is going to put up some good numbers.  is the japanese league = mlb............ no  so why do people think he is going to put mlb # up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted January 25, 2005 Share Posted January 25, 2005 We don't know what kind of numbers he'll put up. People are making as close to an educated guess as possible. That's what you are seeing. No one is arguing the point that it is all speculative. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gotoh00 Posted January 25, 2005 Share Posted January 25, 2005 Hey, do you watch Japanese baseball at all? Many major league players, while some don't like to admit it, say its a higher level of baseball than AAA. Maybe its not quite up to the major's standards, but I'd say about 40% of its players could easily get starting jobs in the U.S. Most of them pitchers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwerty Posted January 25, 2005 Share Posted January 25, 2005 QUOTE(gotoh00 @ Jan 25, 2005 -> 02:27 AM) Hey, do you watch Japanese baseball at all? Many major league players, while some don't like to admit it, say its a higher level of baseball than AAA. Maybe its not quite up to the major's standards, but I'd say about 40% of its players could easily get starting jobs in the U.S. Most of them pitchers.  I have heard japanese baseball considered ''4a''. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBAHO Posted January 25, 2005 Share Posted January 25, 2005 QUOTE(qwerty @ Jan 25, 2005 -> 07:41 PM) I have heard japanese baseball considered ''4a''. Bryant Nelson had a season in Japan before he came back to play for Charlotte last season. I'd be interested to see the stats while he was playing over there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gene Honda Civic Posted January 25, 2005 Author Share Posted January 25, 2005 (edited) QUOTE(DBAH0 @ Jan 25, 2005 -> 03:24 AM) Bryant Nelson had a season in Japan before he came back to play for Charlotte last season. I'd be interested to see the stats while he was playing over there. .228/.256/.323 -- but I would say the same thing about a player headed over there... You hear DJ talk about the "Shooto" all the time, and over here the japanese playeres have to adjust to the difference between the speeds, and the 2 seam fastball. Â Edit: He played on Iguchi's team. Edited January 25, 2005 by Gene Honda Civic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted January 25, 2005 Share Posted January 25, 2005 QUOTE(qwerty @ Jan 25, 2005 -> 08:41 AM) I have heard japanese baseball considered ''4a''. Â Â by whom??????????? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted January 25, 2005 Share Posted January 25, 2005 QUOTE(gotoh00 @ Jan 25, 2005 -> 08:27 AM) Hey, do you watch Japanese baseball at all? Many major league players, while some don't like to admit it, say its a higher level of baseball than AAA. Maybe its not quite up to the major's standards, but I'd say about 40% of its players could easily get starting jobs in the U.S. Most of them pitchers.   well i may not agree with your 40% assessment, since we are both not in the professional level of judging talent and grading the league. i will give way to you knowledge of baseball in japan.  if it is 40% then why wasn't this guy snatch up and courted by other teams???? Why did he have to settle for less than what he was asking for? why isn't there more influx of those players this offseason?  i know i may coming across strong, but i am not in the thinking of this guy putting up good numbers. i will cheer for him and hope for the best. i love the move and if it pays off great. if not, i am still in the thinking that we had nothing to loose and all to gain in getting this guy here.  fyi ............... many who posted and predicted good numbers will turn on him if he fails. i will still be in his corner saying that the risk in getting him was a worthwhile risk. i just want him to be given a chance without any major expectations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwerty Posted January 25, 2005 Share Posted January 25, 2005 QUOTE(LDF @ Jan 25, 2005 -> 04:46 AM) by whom??????????? Â Magazine's and various articles. They say the talent is above triple a and below major league talent for the most part. Which makes sense i think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted January 25, 2005 Share Posted January 25, 2005 QUOTE(qwerty @ Jan 25, 2005 -> 10:55 AM) Magazine's and various articles. They say the talent is above triple a and below major league talent for the most part. Which makes sense i think. Â you may be right, i read as much as the next guy and i don't remember reading such a thing. Â i will give way to you on this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwerty Posted January 25, 2005 Share Posted January 25, 2005 QUOTE(LDF @ Jan 25, 2005 -> 04:58 AM) you may be right, i read as much as the next guy and i don't remember reading such a thing. Â i will give way to you on this. Â Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted January 25, 2005 Share Posted January 25, 2005 4A is exactly the terminology I had in my head. Of course, qwerty may have put there at some point. Â Â Â Or .... I may have planted it in qwerty's head at some point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jabroni Posted January 25, 2005 Share Posted January 25, 2005 Bryant Nelson had a season in Japan before he came back to play for Charlotte last season. I'd be interested to see the stats while he was playing over there. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Yep, Bryant Nelson played with Iguchi. But he was pretty bad... Â http://www.japanesebaseball.com/players/pl...p?PlayerID=1604 Â 167 AB .228 AVG .323 SLG .256 OBP 3 HR 17 RBI 2 SB 7 BB 29 K Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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