Melissa1334 Posted February 11, 2005 Share Posted February 11, 2005 (edited) i was reading the usa today sports weekly, found some interesting stuff in their 1) They said that freddy was our ace(i thought it was mark ) 2)Mark and Freddy will be held under 200 ip(isnt that a little?, mark pitched atleast 220 the last few years plus led the league last season.) 3)that because we got Tad, willies value goes down what i dont get is that they said the sox have really changed our team and have perhaps one of the best pitching staffs in the league, also one of the best bullpens in the league. plus the sox have a really fast team and good defense....then why are we predicted to finish as low as 4th? just wonderg what yous thoght and if yous read it...oh the sox were on the front cover.. Edited February 11, 2005 by Melissa1334 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R.J. Posted February 11, 2005 Share Posted February 11, 2005 ...did they provide us with any multicolored pie charts or bar graphs with our chances? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melissa1334 Posted February 11, 2005 Author Share Posted February 11, 2005 QUOTE(R.J. @ Feb 11, 2005 -> 12:18 PM) ...did they provide us with any multicolored pie charts or bar graphs with our chances? ..riiiiggggghhhhht >who exactly is our ace...Mark or Freddy? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LosMediasBlancas Posted February 11, 2005 Share Posted February 11, 2005 QUOTE(Melissa1334 @ Feb 11, 2005 -> 06:22 PM) ..riiiiggggghhhhht >who exactly is our ace...Mark or Freddy? It should be Mark, equally talented as Freddie, but his tenure with the Sox should give him the edge. IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanOfCorn Posted February 11, 2005 Share Posted February 11, 2005 QUOTE(Melissa1334 @ Feb 11, 2005 -> 06:22 PM) ..riiiiggggghhhhht >who exactly is our ace...Mark or Freddy? Don't care...two aces are good to have. and if Hernandez can pitch like last year, we have three aces. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted February 11, 2005 Share Posted February 11, 2005 QUOTE(LosMediasBlancas @ Feb 11, 2005 -> 12:27 PM) It should be Mark, equally talented as Freddie, but his tenure with the Sox should give him the edge. IMO. Mark doesnt have ACE stuff. I think Freddy is the ace with Mark being the most reliable. But as far as having the ability to shut down opposing teams, I think Freddy has more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBigHurt35 Posted February 11, 2005 Share Posted February 11, 2005 QUOTE(TheDybber @ Feb 11, 2005 -> 01:28 PM) Don't care...two aces are good to have. and if Hernandez can pitch like last year, we have three aces. Agreed. Flip a coin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyho7476 Posted February 11, 2005 Share Posted February 11, 2005 QUOTE(RockRaines @ Feb 11, 2005 -> 03:02 PM) Mark doesnt have ACE stuff. I think Freddy is the ace with Mark being the most reliable. But as far as having the ability to shut down opposing teams, I think Freddy has more. I agree. I think both Mark and Freddy are number 2s, but Freddy has #1 ability. What? Yeah, its confusing to me too. An ace is someone like Schilling or Randy Johnson, something we do not have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperSteve Posted February 11, 2005 Share Posted February 11, 2005 QUOTE(tonyho7476 @ Feb 11, 2005 -> 03:39 PM) I agree. I think both Mark and Freddy are number 2s, but Freddy has #1 ability. What? Yeah, its confusing to me too. An ace is someone like Schilling or Randy Johnson, something we do not have. I agree 100%...they're better number ones than most teams number ones. An ace would be Santana, Halladay, Schilling etc. Loaiza two years ago was an ace to me...just shut people down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bc2k Posted February 11, 2005 Share Posted February 11, 2005 QUOTE(LosMediasBlancas @ Feb 11, 2005 -> 12:27 PM) It should be Mark, equally talented as Freddie, but his tenure with the Sox should give him the edge. IMO. Agreed. Freddy has the better stuff but I have more confidence in Buehrle getting out of a critical jam or winning an important game. Buehrle is a smarter pitcher than Garcia. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shakes Posted February 11, 2005 Share Posted February 11, 2005 QUOTE(Melissa1334 @ Feb 11, 2005 -> 11:57 AM) what i dont get is that they said the sox have really changed our team and have perhaps one of the best pitching staffs in the league, also one of the best bullpens in the league. plus the sox have a really fast team and good defense....then why are we predicted to finish as low as 4th? just wonderg what yous thoght and if yous read it...oh the sox were on the front cover.. This just seems like the trend for national writers. Everyone is drinking the Tigers and Indians Kool Aid. I, like most people here don't buy it, but we are going to hear it until the games are played. It should light a fire under the Sox this year. It is strange, everyone stresses pitching and defense so much. Then the Sox improve in both aspects and we are going to get worse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JUGGERNAUT Posted February 11, 2005 Share Posted February 11, 2005 Agreed. Freddy has the better stuff but I have more confidence in Buehrle getting out of a critical jam or winning an important game. Buehrle is a smarter pitcher than Garcia. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> What they are looking at along with ERA is K-BB. Garcia has a better K-BB than Mark so that gives him the nod over Mark. K-BB really shouldn't be affected by where you play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JUGGERNAUT Posted February 11, 2005 Share Posted February 11, 2005 04 Freddy G': Pre-All Star 3.45era 127.2ip 35W 105K .240 K-W = 70 Pos-All Star 4.37era 82.1ip 29W 079K .244 K-W = 82* *projected to 127ip is 40W, 122K. 04 Mark B's: Pre-All Star 4.03era 127.1ip 25w 98k .285 K-W = 73 Pos-All Star 3.74era 118.0ip 26w 67k .256 K-W = 41* *projected to 127ip is 31W, 72K As you can see Freddy maintained his K-W power in the 2nd 1/2 but Mark didn't. I think that's why most analysts consider Freddy as the ace. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JUGGERNAUT Posted February 11, 2005 Share Posted February 11, 2005 (edited) Mark B 02-04 k-bb Pre All-Star 3.95 392 106 240 0.271 134 Pos All-Star 3.77 322.2 67 178 0.269 111 (135*) Freddy G 02-04 Pre All-Star 3.76 378.1 102 293 0.238 191 Pos All-Star 4.94 256.2 96 216 0.272 120 (177*) *projected to 392ip 82W, 217K *projected to 378ip 141W, 318K Marky is pretty balanced. ERA, KK-B, & BAvs are pretty consistent in both. Fredy is better than Mark in the Pre but worse in the Pos. His KK-B is fairly consistent though. Garcia's the exact opposite of Radke. It's so errie looking at the 3yr avgs for the both it's scary. If you could combine them you'd have one of the very best pitchers in the game. Edited February 11, 2005 by JUGGERNAUT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted February 12, 2005 Share Posted February 12, 2005 I am going to say this now. 2004 Royals=2005 Tigers. Over-Rated Flops! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoodAsGould Posted February 12, 2005 Share Posted February 12, 2005 i dont care what kind of stuff they have its not like greg maddux had great stuff its if you know how to pitch and give me Buehrle over Garcia in that category. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AngelasDaddy0427 Posted February 12, 2005 Share Posted February 12, 2005 QUOTE(SoxFan101 @ Feb 11, 2005 -> 06:48 PM) i dont care what kind of stuff they have its not like greg maddux had great stuff its if you know how to pitch and give me Buehrle over Garcia in that category. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Exactly. Buherle flat out wins games. I'd take 5 Buherles over 5 Garcias any day of the week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WilliamTell Posted February 12, 2005 Share Posted February 12, 2005 I'd the Mark too, plus he's a lefty and I like lefties. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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