Texsox Posted February 21, 2005 Share Posted February 21, 2005 Here's what really sucks in all this. Let's say, for example, Frank comes into camp 15 pounds lighter because the extra bulk was slowing down the healing process with his ankle. Tongues wag all over MLB. I am not going to believe anyone was juiced just based on weight loss. I'm willing to give everyone one of these guys, except Bonds, Giambi, Sheffield (all admitted) and Sosa because, well, he's Sosa. :sosasucks the benefit of the doubt. Innocent until proven guilty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWSGuy406 Posted February 21, 2005 Share Posted February 21, 2005 QUOTE(Texsox @ Feb 21, 2005 -> 06:48 PM) All around the league, fans are pointing to players on other teams and claiming that guy who lost weight was on the juice; while *my* guy just needed to drop a couple pounds, he was flabby, etc. What's a guy in Minnesota suppose to think about the new slimmer, trimmer Carl. The same guy who was so moody all those seasons? Hmmm. The guy stops working out so hard and gains a few pounds of flab where muscle was and the world has him on the steroids. Tex -- why in the hell would I-Rod drop weight after having the season he did in Detroit? And, if Carl was on 'roids, he sure as hell wasted his money, because he was a real fatass lasts season. Roids usually enhances ones performance, and I doubt that Carl was enhanced at all last season... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lvjeremylv Posted February 21, 2005 Author Share Posted February 21, 2005 QUOTE(Texsox @ Feb 21, 2005 -> 10:48 AM) All around the league, fans are pointing to players on other teams and claiming that guy who lost weight was on the juice; while *my* guy just needed to drop a couple pounds, he was flabby, etc. What's a guy in Minnesota suppose to think about the new slimmer, trimmer Carl. The same guy who was so moody all those seasons? Hmmm. The guy stops working out so hard and gains a few pounds of flab where muscle was and the world has him on the steroids. Like I said..contract year. Carl knows he's going to actually have a shot to play this year in light of the uncertain return date of Frank, so he wants to be able to get out there and make the most of it and cash in one final time in his baseball career. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted February 21, 2005 Share Posted February 21, 2005 QUOTE(CWSGuy406 @ Feb 21, 2005 -> 01:44 PM) Tex -- why in the hell would I-Rod drop weight after having the season he did in Detroit? And, if Carl was on 'roids, he sure as hell wasted his money, because he was a real fatass lasts season. Roids usually enhances ones performance, and I doubt that Carl was enhanced at all last season... I don't know, he's been fighting with his wife and doesn't eat when he's stressed, he's getting older and isn't comfortable with the extra weight, he's working out less and enjoying the sunset of his career. We can convict anyone of we try hard enough. Frank tore a bicep muscle. Who tears bicep muscles except guys on juice? Frank has been somewhat moody throught his career! (I don't for a moment believe Frank has ever used steroids, just pointing out how easy it is to convict someone) All I'm saying is rushing to judgement isn't something I want to do. Feel free to choose in your mind whose juiced and who isn't. I've decided that speculation isn't something I want to do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wanne Posted February 21, 2005 Share Posted February 21, 2005 QUOTE(YASNY @ Feb 21, 2005 -> 11:19 AM) I know this much. I lost 23 lbs. in 6 weeks by giving up beer. Give up beer?!?!?.....NEVER!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWSGuy406 Posted February 21, 2005 Share Posted February 21, 2005 QUOTE(Texsox @ Feb 21, 2005 -> 07:49 PM) I don't know, he's been fighting with his wife and doesn't eat when he's stressed, he's getting older and isn't comfortable with the extra weight, he's working out less and enjoying the sunset of his career. We can convict anyone of we try hard enough. Frank tore a bicep muscle. Who tears bicep muscles except guys on juice? Frank has been somewhat moody throught his career! (I don't for a moment believe Frank has ever used steroids, just pointing out how easy it is to convict someone) All I'm saying is rushing to judgement isn't something I want to do. Feel free to choose in your mind whose juiced and who isn't. I've decided that speculation isn't something I want to do. I agree with your post about speculation, but Thomas' injury was really a freak incident and shouldn't be used anywhere near the argument of him being on steroids... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lvjeremylv Posted February 21, 2005 Author Share Posted February 21, 2005 QUOTE(Texsox @ Feb 21, 2005 -> 11:49 AM) I don't know, he's been fighting with his wife and doesn't eat when he's stressed, he's getting older and isn't comfortable with the extra weight, he's working out less and enjoying the sunset of his career. We can convict anyone of we try hard enough. Frank tore a bicep muscle. Who tears bicep muscles except guys on juice? Frank has been somewhat moody throught his career! (I don't for a moment believe Frank has ever used steroids, just pointing out how easy it is to convict someone) All I'm saying is rushing to judgement isn't something I want to do. Feel free to choose in your mind whose juiced and who isn't. I've decided that speculation isn't something I want to do. It's not really speculation in the case of Ivan Rodriguez. There's a standing statement by Canseco that he introduced him to steroids. So, you either believe Canseco or you don't - it's not really speculation. And someone said that I-Rod has pretty much looked the same throughout his career. Well, Canseco maintains that he introduced him to steroids in 1992 - his first full season on the majors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lvjeremylv Posted February 21, 2005 Author Share Posted February 21, 2005 QUOTE(Texsox @ Feb 21, 2005 -> 11:49 AM) Frank tore a bicep muscle. Who tears bicep muscles except guys on juice? Wasn't it his tricep? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted February 21, 2005 Share Posted February 21, 2005 QUOTE(SoxFan1 @ Feb 21, 2005 -> 11:45 AM) You lost 23 pounds??? I;m gonna try that...I already drink a lot of water but I don't drink beer. I want to lose at least 10 lbs before my 1st game (late March.) yeah well pro baseball players arent living on taco bell and beer, they are already in good physical shape, and dont just lose weight like that. Especially 22 lbs, thats alot of weight to drop. Im sure we will see many players come to camp alot lighter than last year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted February 21, 2005 Share Posted February 21, 2005 QUOTE(lvjeremylv @ Feb 21, 2005 -> 01:55 PM) Wasn't it his tricep? Yes, it was his triceps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted February 21, 2005 Share Posted February 21, 2005 (edited) QUOTE(lvjeremylv @ Feb 21, 2005 -> 01:55 PM) Wasn't it his tricep? It was one of those. Freakish injury as I recall, very suspicious. Sammy sneezes and blows out his back, haven't steroids been whispered to have played a role in such a freak injury?? Bottom line. Canseco is out to sell books. I've heard several contradictions in what he wrote then what he said. I believe his allegations are somewhere between 10% and 100% correct. Since I don't believe he is 100% accurate, and have no real way to determine which statements are false (Clemens? Alvarez?) I choose not to believe any of them. Edited February 21, 2005 by Texsox Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WilliamTell Posted February 21, 2005 Share Posted February 21, 2005 22 lbs. lighter??? Jose tellin it like it is possibly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soxhawks Posted February 21, 2005 Share Posted February 21, 2005 im sure he just stopped eating fast food like giambi did last offseason Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchetman Posted February 21, 2005 Share Posted February 21, 2005 this story has the before and after http://www.detnews.com/2005/tigers/0502/18/tigers-94607.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackie hayes Posted February 21, 2005 Share Posted February 21, 2005 QUOTE(Wanne @ Feb 21, 2005 -> 07:50 PM) Give up beer?!?!?.....NEVER!!! Bingo. I've reacted to YAS many ways. But never with pity before now... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsideirish Posted February 22, 2005 Share Posted February 22, 2005 QUOTE(LosMediasBlancas @ Feb 21, 2005 -> 07:34 PM) He had some pudge on his body. Guys that juice get a pudgy face, but the body usually remains cut and leaner. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Thats not true at all. Hulk Hogan, Jason Giambi, Lyle Alzado, need I say more? None of them were trim in the wasteline or necessarily "cut". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted February 22, 2005 Share Posted February 22, 2005 QUOTE(jackie hayes @ Feb 21, 2005 -> 05:12 PM) Bingo. I've reacted to YAS many ways. But never with pity before now... Oh, that was a very temporary thing. The problem is that I did this about five years ago. I'm starting to have to consider taking such drastic steps again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LosMediasBlancas Posted February 22, 2005 Share Posted February 22, 2005 22 lbs. in 4 1/2 months is really not THAT tough to do. That's like 22 lbs. divided by 18 weeks= 1.22 lbs. per week. That's not shocking weight loss people. In those pics it looks like he kept the muscle and shed all the pudge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted February 22, 2005 Share Posted February 22, 2005 Anyone who reports to camp weighing less than last season was on steroids. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LosMediasBlancas Posted February 22, 2005 Share Posted February 22, 2005 QUOTE(southsideirish @ Feb 22, 2005 -> 02:08 AM) Thats not true at all. Hulk Hogan, Jason Giambi, Lyle Alzado, need I say more? None of them were trim in the wasteline or necessarily "cut". Nor were they fat, Pudge has always been fat, remember the guy's nickname is Pudge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsideirish Posted February 22, 2005 Share Posted February 22, 2005 QUOTE(LosMediasBlancas @ Feb 22, 2005 -> 03:10 PM) Nor were they fat, Pudge has always been fat, remember the guy's nickname is Pudge. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I never remember Pudge being fat. I never remember him being anywhere near as fat as Giambi, Lyle Alzado, or Hulk Hogan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2HH Posted February 22, 2005 Share Posted February 22, 2005 Who cares...if he was juicing his stats will drop this season and that's good for us. Now that he's no longer Pudge we'll just have to call him Slim. -y2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LosMediasBlancas Posted February 22, 2005 Share Posted February 22, 2005 QUOTE(southsideirish @ Feb 22, 2005 -> 04:42 PM) I never remember Pudge being fat. I never remember him being anywhere near as fat as Giambi, Lyle Alzado, or Hulk Hogan. OK Dude. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsideirish Posted February 23, 2005 Share Posted February 23, 2005 QUOTE(LosMediasBlancas @ Feb 22, 2005 -> 05:02 PM) OK Dude. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> right on! its about time you understood. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LosMediasBlancas Posted February 23, 2005 Share Posted February 23, 2005 QUOTE(southsideirish @ Feb 23, 2005 -> 04:35 PM) right on! its about time you understood. Yeah, it just took a while for me to understand that a guy nicknamed 'Pudge' has always been very lean, my bad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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