RockRaines Posted June 2, 2005 Share Posted June 2, 2005 QUOTE(Flash Tizzle @ Jun 2, 2005 -> 01:35 PM) I agree, it's not. To keep it short, I don't believe including our highly touted, highly regarded pitching prospect in a trade for Eric Chavez is necessary. When McCarthy fills out his lanky figure, you can (likely) expect an increase in velocity. Even if he doesn't, his talent is still beneficial to our club. I can understand the question of awaiting McCarthy to fulfill his potential when Chavez has already proven it, but in this instance: with the factor of Beane, Chavez' contract, and our payroll, I wouldn't touch Mac. His velocity may go up, and the Hr's may then travel farther, the trade makes sense for both teams, now and in the next few years. We cn agree to disagree, but I am so for this trade its ridiculous, and I lOVE BMAC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AddisonStSox Posted June 2, 2005 Share Posted June 2, 2005 QUOTE(Rowand44 @ Jun 2, 2005 -> 01:37 PM) He's a great hitter, he'll get it turned around soon. I'm with you, I think he'll turn it around. Let's just roids aren't involved. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flash Tizzle Posted June 2, 2005 Share Posted June 2, 2005 QUOTE(RockRaines @ Jun 2, 2005 -> 01:37 PM) His velocity may go up, and the Hr's may then travel farther, the trade makes sense for both teams, now and in the next few years. We cn agree to disagree, but I am so for this trade its ridiculous, and I lOVE BMAC. His HR's may travel farther, but his breaking ball will snap quicker. His fastball won't allow hitters more time to adjust to his offspeed pitch, when it's developed. If I'm McCarthy, I'm exclusively working on my changeup in Charlotte. Three pitches: decent changeup, 94mph fastball, 87 mph curveball = legitimate ace. We can agree to disagree, though. This will probably go on forever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jabroni Posted June 2, 2005 Share Posted June 2, 2005 (edited) I agree, but I can't see that happening. It would cost a lot more, and I'm just not comfortable with paying Chavez $11+ million per year. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Chavez has a 6-year, $66 million contract that breaks down like this... 2005: $8 million + $500 K signing bonus 2006: $9 million + $500 K signing bonus 2007: $9 million + $500 K signing bonus 2008: $11 million + $500 K signing bonus 2009: $11 million + $500 K signing bonus 2010: $12 million 2011: $12.5 million team option or $3 million buyout Edited June 2, 2005 by Jabroni Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flash Tizzle Posted June 2, 2005 Share Posted June 2, 2005 QUOTE(Jabroni @ Jun 2, 2005 -> 01:45 PM) Chavez has a 6-year, $66 million contract that breaks down like this... 2005: $8 million + $500 K signing bonus 2006: $9 million + $500 K signing bonus 2007: $9 million + $500 K signing bonus 2008: $11 million + $500 K signing bonus 2009: $11 million + $500 K signing bonus 2010: $12 million 2011: $12.5 million team option or $3 million buyout Wow, that goes far beyond what I thought it did. What were people talking about only 30 million remaining on his contract? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mreye Posted June 2, 2005 Share Posted June 2, 2005 Ugh. These things are going faster that I can read! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KevHead0881 Posted June 2, 2005 Share Posted June 2, 2005 QUOTE(jerseysox @ Jun 2, 2005 -> 07:34 PM) Exactly how are his numbers better? They are very similar. His bat is left-handed. So that makes his terrible numbers better? He can hit to all fields. Grounding out to short and flying out to right are still outs. He does not clog the bases and can steal? Have you ever watched this guy run? I think he gets about 5 steals a year. Big deal. Also, for all the ranting about all the DPs Konerko hits into, Chavez has into one less than Paulie this year. As for the fielding, he's actually won 3 gold gloves, not 4, from 2001-03. He's made NINE errors this year. In my estimation, this guy is not an upgrade over Crede. Even if he is slightly better, I'd rather not trade future talent for this guy, whose numbers may have been inflated by the Giambi Juice. Difference is, Crede has a history of suckage. Chavez doesn't. I don't think we'd all be so down on Crede if he hadn't been performing like this year in and year out. The answer is as simple as that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beck72 Posted June 2, 2005 Share Posted June 2, 2005 His laughing at Patrick's question "How's Moneyball look now?" was a direct hit at Beane. Chavez's comment along the lines of 'Travis Lee said the same thing to me last night' can't sit well in Oak. Beane can't have the face of the A's laughing at him. He won't last 'til the AS break there Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted June 2, 2005 Share Posted June 2, 2005 QUOTE(Tony82087 @ Jun 2, 2005 -> 01:38 PM) We got Chavy, go after his buddy Durazo next season for 1b. Edit, we GET Chavy.... If Chavez were to be added by traded, I really think Ross would be our starting first baseman next season. Wow, so now I've traded for Chavez and made Ross a starting firstbaseman. :headshake Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jabroni Posted June 2, 2005 Share Posted June 2, 2005 If some of you guys want the Sox to acquire fat contracts, how about Abreu? I imagine it's just as likely for him to be traded to the Sox as is a trade of Chavez for just Crede and McCarthy. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I'd rather have Chavez than Abreu. Chavez plays a tougher position where we have a definite hole offensively. Abreu is 31 years old, Chavez is only 27. Also, we have Brian Anderson and Ryan Sweeney performing well in the minors while Josh Fields is struggling. A 3rd baseman is more of a need than an outfielder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kev211 Posted June 2, 2005 Share Posted June 2, 2005 QUOTE(retro1983hat @ Jun 2, 2005 -> 02:36 PM) I'd be shocked if anything happens until July 1. Same here maybe even later like hours before the deadline Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jabroni Posted June 2, 2005 Share Posted June 2, 2005 (edited) If Chavez were to be added by traded, I really think Ross would be our starting first baseman next season. Wow, so now I've traded for Chavez and made Ross a starting firstbaseman. :headshake <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Chavez + Gload > Crede + Konerko In my opinion anyways, especially if we keep Frank. Edited June 2, 2005 by Jabroni Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted June 2, 2005 Share Posted June 2, 2005 QUOTE(Jabroni @ Jun 2, 2005 -> 02:53 PM) I'd rather have Chavez than Abreu. Chavez plays a tougher position where we have a definite hole offensively. Abreu is 31 years old, Chavez is only 27. Also, we have Brian Anderson and Ryan Sweeney performing well in the minors while Josh Fields is struggling. A 3rd baseman is more of a need than an outfielder. Just a thought, does trading for Chavez make Fields expendable in the near future?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted June 2, 2005 Share Posted June 2, 2005 QUOTE(Jabroni @ Jun 2, 2005 -> 01:54 PM) Chavez + Gload > Crede + Konerko In my opinion anyways, especially if we keep Frank. Oh god, it's not even close in my mind Chavez + Gload>>>>>>Crede and Konerko. I'm a huge fan of Ross and I really believe he can be a starting first baseman. He's great with the leather and though Crede and Konerko are solid gloveman Konerko has no range at first. Not to mention Chavez and Ross can both move on the bases while Pauly and Joe can not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jabroni Posted June 2, 2005 Share Posted June 2, 2005 (edited) Just a thought, does trading for Chavez make Fields expendable in the near future?? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> If we traded for Chavez, Fields could be included in the deal. Who knows? Not sure if Beane would want him or not though. He is struggling pretty badly. If we did get Chavez and the Sox kept Fields, they would most likely convert him to a 1st baseman to replace Gload. Edited June 2, 2005 by Jabroni Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flash Tizzle Posted June 2, 2005 Share Posted June 2, 2005 (edited) QUOTE(kyyle23 @ Jun 2, 2005 -> 01:55 PM) Just a thought, does trading for Chavez make Fields expendable in the near future?? Either they ship him off quickly or shift him to another position once he advances in the minors. How would it feel for Fields knowing there's NO possibility of earning a 3B spot when Chavez will own the position for the next 6 years? Edited June 2, 2005 by Flash Tizzle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted June 2, 2005 Share Posted June 2, 2005 QUOTE(kyyle23 @ Jun 2, 2005 -> 01:55 PM) Just a thought, does trading for Chavez make Fields expendable in the near future?? Fields is not going to be ready any time soon, his numbers are terrible and he isnt that great of a glove man, I would agree with you on that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwerty Posted June 2, 2005 Share Posted June 2, 2005 QUOTE(RockRaines @ Jun 2, 2005 -> 12:46 PM) Konerko will make more money in the FA market than Chavez's contract. Take a look at what the power hitting 1B got this year. Look at what Beltre and Glaus signed for in the offseason. I think Chavez's contract is almost a bargain, if not totally respectable for us. And yes, Chavez's hitting is better than Konerko's so on that alone, yes he deserves more money, if you add in his 4 gold gloves at 3B. yes he is worth more. So for your answer, yes, Chavez is worth that much. If konerko keeps hitting nearly as bad as he has this year he won't be getting as much as your thinking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
santo=dorf Posted June 2, 2005 Share Posted June 2, 2005 (edited) QUOTE(Jabroni @ Jun 2, 2005 -> 02:45 PM) Chavez has a 6-year, $66 million contract that breaks down like this... 2005: $8 million + $500 K signing bonus 2006: $9 million + $500 K signing bonus 2007: $9 million + $500 K signing bonus 2008: $11 million + $500 K signing bonus 2009: $11 million + $500 K signing bonus 2010: $12 million 2011: $12.5 million team option or $3 million buyout <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Holy s***! That contract is worse than I thought. f*** Chavez at all costs. Edited June 2, 2005 by santo=dorf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marsh Posted June 2, 2005 Share Posted June 2, 2005 QUOTE(kyyle23 @ Jun 2, 2005 -> 02:55 PM) Just a thought, does trading for Chavez make Fields expendable in the near future?? Where does all the Josh Fields love come from? Can somebody fill me in please. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwerty Posted June 2, 2005 Share Posted June 2, 2005 QUOTE(santo=dorf @ Jun 2, 2005 -> 03:02 PM) Holy s***! That contract is worse than I thought. f*** Chavez at all costs. ... his dogs he wants williams to take care of. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flash Tizzle Posted June 2, 2005 Share Posted June 2, 2005 QUOTE(qwerty @ Jun 2, 2005 -> 02:01 PM) If konerko keeps hitting nearly as bad as he has this year he won't be getting as much as your thinking. Average won't matter as long as the power numbers (HR/RBI) are there. And they are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted June 2, 2005 Share Posted June 2, 2005 No love here, Marsh. Usually 1st round picks are protected for a little while, I was wondering out loud. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jabroni Posted June 2, 2005 Share Posted June 2, 2005 Exactly how are his numbers better? They are very similar. His bat is left-handed. So that makes his terrible numbers better? He can hit to all fields. Grounding out to short and flying out to right are still outs. He does not clog the bases and can steal? Have you ever watched this guy run? I think he gets about 5 steals a year. Big deal. Also, for all the ranting about all the DPs Konerko hits into, Chavez has into one less than Paulie this year. As for the fielding, he's actually won 3 gold gloves, not 4, from 2001-03. He's made NINE errors this year. In my estimation, this guy is not an upgrade over Crede. Even if he is slightly better, I'd rather not trade future talent for this guy, whose numbers may have been inflated by the Giambi Juice. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Just because he doesn't get many steals, that doesn't mean he's not a helluva lot faster running the bases than Crede. Going from 1st to 3rd on a single is just as important as a stolen base. Crede can't do either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marsh Posted June 2, 2005 Share Posted June 2, 2005 QUOTE(kyyle23 @ Jun 2, 2005 -> 03:04 PM) No love here, Marsh. Usually 1st round picks are protected for a little while, I was wondering out loud. oh, ok. If I remember correctly we traded one of our recent first rounders to the Mets. The college closer dude. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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