Grossman's Season Basically Over

[GoodAsGould]

The bears defense has no holes in it really unless you want to say Hunter Hillenmeyer but he didnt look that bad last year. As long as Azumah stays healthy he is a solid CB and has gotten better at the position each year so thats definitely not a hole as of now.

 

Our DT is far from a hole 2. Ian Scott showed last year he could handle it pretty well. He is by far not pro bowl material but he isnt hurting the defense he is a pretty solid player.

 

Ravens are the only team that id say have a better defense than us right now. Jacksonville you overate and the Panthers arent as good either. They have Jenkins, Peppers, Morgan, and Minter the rest arent amazing at all. Ricky Manning had a horrible year last year and Lucas isnt anything special. And their OLB's are not really that much better than Hillenmeyer.

 

Buffalo is a really good defense 2 but I think we might be better. Although i wouldnt call Clements, kelsey, or Schobel all pro calibur.

[hammerhead johnson]

The bears defense has no holes in it really unless you want to say Hunter Hillenmeyer but he didnt look that bad last year.  As long as Azumah stays healthy he is a solid CB and has gotten better at the position each year so thats definitely not a hole as of now.

 

Our DT is far from a hole 2.  Ian Scott showed last year he could handle it pretty well.  He is by far not pro bowl material but he isnt hurting the defense he is a pretty solid player.

 

Ravens are the only team that id say have a better defense than us right now.  Jacksonville you overate and the Panthers arent as good either.  They have Jenkins, Peppers, Morgan, and Minter the rest arent amazing at all. Ricky Manning had a horrible year last year and Lucas isnt anything special.  And their OLB's are not really that much better than Hillenmeyer.

 

Buffalo is a really good defense 2 but I think we might be better.  Although i wouldnt call Clements, kelsey, or Schobel all pro calibur.

 

Ian Scott, Alphonso Boone, and Tank Johnson are all adequate players right now. Azumah is a run-of-the-mill CB if I've ever seen one. Great special teams player, though.

 

Nate Clements is a motherf***ing stud CB. Schobel and Kelsey are two of the more underrated defensive ends in the NFL, your point is proof of that. Are they not rated very highly on X-Box or playstation?

 

The Ravens are not an elite defense. Ray Lewis is nowhere near what he once was...he couldn't shed blocks for s*** in the 3-4. They have holes at both DT slots, OLB (with the departure of Hartwell), Strong Safety, etc. You have them ranked ahead of New England?

 

Jacksonville and Carolina are top defensive teams. Really now, there is no argument there. When I think "Devastating Front 7", those two come to mind immediately. Their secondaries ain't too shabby either. Ricky Manning is somewhere between adequate and above average, but closer to the latter.

[DukeNukeEm]

Ricky Manning Jr. - 3 INT game against the Eagle = Jerry Azumah.

[hammerhead johnson]

Tillman, Harris and Brown all have the talent to be All-Pro's, but in all honesty, they all might not pan out.

 

Tommie Harris is thought of as a star around the league, actually. IMO, he is our most valuable defensive player. You can make good arguments for Urlacher or Brown, though.

[Rowand44]

The Bears could never, ever begin to approach the Elite 4.

 

New England

Jacksonville

Buffalo

Carolina

 

Let's take a look at this more closely.  I will only list players who are above average (aka solid) or better.  If you're merely adequate, you represent a hole as far as I'm concerned.

 

First off, one of the deepest defensive squads in the history of the NFL:

 

New England

FS: Eugene Wilson (All-Pro Caliber)

SS: Rodney Harrison (All-Pro Caliber)

CB: Duane Starks (Solid), Randall Gay (Solid)

CB: Asante Samuel (Solid), Tyrone Poole (Solid)

OLB: Willie McGinnest (Solid), Rosey Colvin (Solid)

ILB: Ted Johnson (Solid)

ILB: Chad Brown (Solid), Monty Beisel (Solid)

OLB: Mike Vrabel (All-Pro Caliber)

DE: Richard Seymour (All-Pro Caliber)

DT: Vince Wilfork (All-Pro Caliber)

DE: Ty Warren (All-Pro Caliber), Jarvis Green (Solid)

 

I'm counting 16 guys who are solid (aka above average) or better.  There is not one hole on this defense. 

 

It's New England, and then the following 3 teams:

 

Jacksonville

FS: Deon Grant (Solid)

SS: Donovan Darius (All-Pro Caliber)

CB: Rashean Mathis (All-Pro Caliber)

CB: Kiwaukee Thomas (Solid)

OLB: Akin Oyodele (Solid)

MLB: Mike Peterson (All-Pro Caliber)

OLB: Daryl Smith (Solid), Greg Favors (Solid)

DE: Paul Spicer (Solid)

DT: Marcus Stroud (All-Pro Caliber), Tony Williams (Solid)

DT: John Henderson (All-Pro Caliber), Rob Meier (Solid)

DE: Reggie Hayward (All-Pro Caliber), Bobby McCray (Solid)

 

Buffalo

FS: Troy Vincent (Solid)

SS: Lawyer Milloy (All-Pro Caliber)

CB: Nate Clements (All-Pro Caliber)

CB: Terrence McGee (Solid)

OLB: Jeff Posey (Solid)

MLB: London Fletcher (Solid)

OLB: Takeo Spikes (All-Pro Caliber)

DE: Chris Kelsay (All-Pro Caliber)

DT: HOLE

DT: Sam Adams (All-Pro Caliber)

DE: Aaron Schobel (All-Pro Caliber)

 

Carolina

FS: HOLE

SS: Mike Minter (Solid)

CB: Ken Lucas (Solid), Ricky Manning (Solid)

CB: Chris Gamble (Solid)

OLB: Thomas Davis (Solid)

MLB: Dan Morgan (All-Pro Caliber)

OLB: Will Witherspoon (Solid)

DE: Julius Peppers (All-Pro Caliber)

DT: Brentson Buckner (Solid)

DT: Kris Jenkins (All-Pro Caliber)

DE: Mike Rucker (All-Pro Caliber)

Now that we have the elite 4 out of the way, we have the teams ranked 5 through 13 IMO in no particular order because it's too tough to call at this point.  Those teams:

 

Chicago

Pittsburgh

Philadelphia

Baltimore

Denver

Dallas

Washington

Tampa Bay

San Diego

 

Now, let's take a closer look.  As I have said, I won't even attempt to put these teams in any particular order.  I'll also have a 14-22 bracket for teams that are middle-of-the-road.  Some might wonder why I don't have the NY Jets or Atlanta in the Top 13, but I'll go on to explain later.  They'd round out the Top 15 IMO.

 

Chicago

FS: Mike Green (Solid)

SS: Mike Brown (All-Pro Caliber)

CB: Charles Tillman (Solid)

CB: HOLE

OLB: Lance Briggs (Solid)

MLB: Brian Urlacher (All-Pro Caliber)

OLB: HOLE

DE: Alex Brown (Solid)

DT: HOLE

DT: Tommie Harris (All-Pro Caliber)

DE: Adawale Ogunleye (All-Pro Caliber)

 

Now, scroll back up real quick and compare the elite 4 with the Bears.  We just can't f*** with those teams.

 

Philadelphia

FS: Brian Dawkins (All-Pro Caliber)

SS: Mike Lewis (All-Pro Caliber)

CB: Sheldon Brown (All-Pro Caliber)

CB: Lito Shepherd (Solid)

OLB: HOLE

MLB: Jeremiah Trotter (Solid)

OLB: HOLE

DE: Jevon Kearse (All-Pro Caliber)

DT: HOLE

DT: Corey Simon (All-Pro Caliber)

DE: HOLE

 

Pittsburgh

FS: Chris Hope (Solid)

SS: Troy Polamalu (All-Pro Caliber)

CB: Deshea Townsend (Solid)

CB: HOLE

OLB: Joey Porter (All-Pro Caliber)

ILB: James Farrior (All-Pro Caliber)

ILB: HOLE

OLB: HOLE

DE: Kimo Von Oelhoffen (Solid)

DT: Casey Hampton (All-Pro Caliber)

DE: Aaron Smith (All-Pro Caliber)

 

Baltimore

FS: Ed Reed (All-Pro Caliber)

SS: HOLE

CB: Chris McAllister (All-Pro Caliber)

CB: Samari Rolle (Solid)

OLB: Adalius Thomas (All-Pro Caliber)

MLB: Ray Lewis (All-Pro Caliber)

OLB: HOLE

DE: Terrell Suggs (All-Pro Caliber)

DT: HOLE

DT: HOLE

DE: Anthony Weaver (Solid)

 

Tampa Bay

FS: HOLE

SS: Jermaine Phillips (Solid)

CB: Brian Kelly (All-Pro Caliber)

CB: Ronde Barber (All-Pro Caliber)

OLB: HOLE

MLB: Sheldon Quarles (Solid)

OLB: Derrick Brooks (All-Pro Caliber)

DE: Greg Spires (All-Pro Caliber)

DT: Anthony McFarland (All-Pro Caliber)

DT: Chris Hovan (Solid), Ellis Wyms (Solid)

DE: Simeon Rice (All-Pro Caliber), Dewayne White (Solid)

 

Dallas

FS: HOLE

SS: Roy Williams (All-Pro Caliber)

CB: Terrence Newman (Solid), Aaron Glenn (Solid)

CB: Anthony Henry (Solid)

OLB: HOLE

MLB: Dat Nguyen (Solid)

OLB: HOLE

DE: Greg Ellis (Solid)

DT: Laroi Glover (All-Pro Caliber)

DT: Jason Ferguson (Solid)

DE: Demarcus Ware (Solid), Marcus Spears (Solid)

 

Washington

FS: Sean Taylor (All-Pro Caliber)

SS: HOLE

CB: Shawn Springs (Solid)

CB: Walt Harris (Solid, Carlos Rogers (Solid)

OLB: Lavar Arrington (All-Pro Caliber)

MLB: Lemar Marshall (Solid)

OLB: Marcus Washington (All-Pro Caliber)

DE: Renaldo Wynn (Solid)

DT: Brandon Noble (Solid)

DT: Cornelius Griffin (Solid)

DE: HOLE

 

Denver

FS: John Lynch (Solid)

SS: HOLE

CB: Champ Bailey (All-Pro Caliber)

CB: HOLE

OLB: DJ Williams (All-Pro Caliber)

MLB: Al Wilson (All-Pro Caliber)

OLB: Ian Gold (Solid)

DE: Trevor Pryce (All-Pro Caliber), Ebenezer Ekuban (Solid)

DT: Gerard Warren (Solid)

DT: Monsanto Pope (Solid)

DE: Courtney Brown (Solid)

 

San Diego

FS: Bhawoh Jue (Solid)

SS: Terrence Kiel (Solid)

CB: Quentin Jammer (Solid)

CB: Drayton Florence (Solid)

OLB: Shawne Merriman (Solid)

ILB: Randall Godfrey (Solid)

ILB: Donnie Edwards (All-Pro Caliber)

OLB: Steve Foley (All-Pro Caliber)

DE: HOLE

DT: Jamal Williams (All-Pro Caliber)

DE: Igor Olshansky (Solid)

Now, here are the teams I have in the 14-22 bracket, in no particular order with the exception of the Top 2 in Atlanta and the NY Jets (the teams rounding out the Top 15)

 

Atlanta

FS: Bryan Scott (Solid)

SS: HOLE

CB: DeAngelo Hall (All-Pro Caliber)

CB: HOLE

OLB: Demorrio Williams (Solid), Ike Reese (Solid)

MLB: Ed Hartwell (All-Pro Caliber)

OLB: Keith Brooking (All-Pro Caliber)

DE: Patrick Kerney (All-Pro Caliber)

DT: Rod Coleman (All-Pro Caliber)

DT: HOLE

DE: Brady Smith (Solid)

 

New York Jets

FS: Erik Coleman (Solid)

SS: HOLE

CB: Ty Law (All-Pro Caliber)

CB: David Barnett (Solid)

OLB: HOLE

MLB: Jonathan Vilma (All-Pro Caliber)

OLB: HOLE

DE: Shaun Ellis (All-Pro Caliber)

DT: Dewayne Robertson (All-Pro Caliber)

DT: HOLE

DE: John Abraham (All-Pro Caliber)

 

Minnesota

FS: Darren Sharper (All-Pro Caliber)

SS: Corey Chavous (Solid)

CB: Antoine Winfield (All-Pro Caliber)

CB: Fred Smoot (All-Pro Caliber), Brian Williams (Solid)

OLB: HOLE

MLB: HOLE

OLB: HOLE

DE: Kenechi Udeze (Solid), Lance Johnstone (Solid)

DT: Kevin Williams (All-Pro Caliber)

DT: Pat Williams (All-Pro Caliber)

DE: Erasmus Jones (Solid)

 

Tennessee

FS: Lamont Thompson (Solid)

SS: Tank Williams (All-Pro Caliber)

CB: Andre Woolfolk (Solid)

CB: Pacman Jones (Solid)

OLB: Peter Sirmon (Solid), Rocky Boiman (Solid)

MLB: Brad Kassell (Solid), Rocky Calmus (Solid)

OLB: Keith Bullock (All-Pro Caliber)

DE: HOLE

DT: Albert Haynesworth (All-Pro Caliber)

DT: Rien Long (Solid), Randy Starks (Solid)

DE: HOLE

 

Cleveland

FS: Brian Russell (Solid), Brodney Pool (Solid)

SS: Sean Jones (Solid)

CB: Gary Baxter (Solid)

CB Daylon McCutcheon (Solid)

OLB: Matt Stewart (Solid)

ILB: Andra Davis (All-Pro Caliber)

ILB: HOLE

OLB: Chaun Thompson (Solid)

DE: Orpheus Roye (Solid)

DT: Jason Fisk (Solid)

DE: Alvin McKinley (Solid), Kenard Lang (Solid)

 

New York Giants

FS: Gibril Wilson (Solid)

SS: HOLE

CB: Will Allen (Solid)

CB: Will Peterson (Solid)

OLB: Carlos Emmons (Solid)

MLB: Antonio Pierce (Solid)

OLB: HOLE

DE: Michael Strahan (All-Pro Caliber)

DT: Will Joseph (Solid)

DT: Fred Robbins (Solid)

DE: Osi Unemenyiora (Solid)

 

Houston

FS: Marcus Coleman (Solid)

SS: HOLE

CB: Phillip Buchanan (Solid)

CB: Dunta Robinson (All-Pro Caliber)

OLB: HOLE

ILB: Kailee Wong (Solid)

ILB: Morlon Greenwood (Solid)

OLB: HOLE

DE: Gary Walker (Solid), Travis Johnson (Solid)

DT: Seth Payne (Solid)

DE: Robaire Smith (Solid)

 

Arizona

FS: Robert Friffith (Solid)

SS: Adrian Wilson (Solid)

CB: Antrel Rolle (Solid)

CB: HOLE

OLB: Karlos Dansby (Solid)

MLB: HOLE

OLB: Orlando Huff (Solid), James Darling (Solid)

DE: Chike Okeafor (Solid)

DT: Russell Davis (Solid)

DT: Darnell Dockett (Solid)

DE: Bertrand Barry (All-Pro Caliber)

 

St. Louis

FS: HOLE

SS: Adam Archuletta (Solid)

CB: Jerametrius Butler (Solid)

CB: Travis Fisher (Solid)

OLB: Dexter Coakley (Solid)

MLB: Chris Claiborne (Solid)

OLB: Pisa Tinoisomua (Solid)

DE: Leonard Little (All-Pro Caliber)

DT: Ryan Pickett (Solid)

DT: Jimmy Kennedy (Solid)

DE: HOLE

And now, I present to you the absolute worst defensive teams in the NFL.  Miami and Cincinatti would be the best of the worst.

 

Miami

FS: HOLE

SS: HOLE

CB: Sam Madison (All-Pro Caliber)

CB: HOLE

OLB: Junior Seau (Solid)

MLB: Zach Thomas (Solid)

OLB: HOLE

DE: Kevin Carter (Solid), Vonnie Holliday (Solid)

DT: Tim Bowens (Solid)

DT: Larry Chester (Solid)

DE: Jason Taylor (All-Pro Caliber)

 

Cincinatti

FS: Madieu Williams (Solid)

SS: HOLE

CB: Tory James (All-Pro Caliber)

CB: Keiwan Ratliff (Solid)

OLB: HOLE

MLB: HOLE

OLB: Brian Simmons (Solid)

DE: Duane Clemons (Solid), Robert Geathers (Solid)

DT: John Thornton (Solid)

DT: HOLE

DE: Justin Smith (All-Pro Caliber)

 

Detroit

FS: HOLE

SS: Kenoy Kennedy (Solid)

CB: Fernando Bryant (Solid)

CB: Dre Bly (Solid)

OLB: Boss Bailey (Solid)

MLB: HOLE

OLB: HOLE

DE: HOLE

DT: Marcus Bell (Solid)

DT: Shaun Rogers (All-Pro Caliber)

DE: James Hall (Solid)

 

Oakland

FS: HOLE

SS: HOLE

CB: Charles Woodson (All-Pro Caliber)

CB: HOLE

OLB: HOLE

MLB: Danny Clark (Solid)

OLB: Travian Smith (Solid)

DE: Bobby Hamilton (Solid)

DT: Warren Sapp (Solid)

DT: Ted Washington (Solid)

DE: Tyler Brayton (Solid), Derrick Burgess (Solid)

 

Indianapolis

FS: Bob Sanders (Solid)

SS: Mike Doss (Solid)

CB: Marlin Jackson (Solid)

CB: HOLE

OLB: David Thornton (Solid)

MLB: HOLE

OLB: HOLE

DE: Robert Mathis (Solid)

DT: Montae Reagor (Solid)

DT: HOLE

DE: Dwight Freeney (All-Pro Caliber)

 

New Orleans

FS: Dwight Smith (Solid)

SS: Jay Bellamy (Solid)

CB: Mike McKenzie (Solid)

CB: Jason Craft (Solid)

OLB: HOLE

MLB: HOLE

OLB: HOLE

DE: Charles Grant (All-Pro Caliber)

DT: HOLE

DT: HOLE

DE: Darren Howard (All-Pro Caliber), Will Smith (Solid)

 

Seattle

FS: Ken Hamlin (Solid)

SS: Michael Boulware (Solid)

CB: Marcus Trufant (All-Pro Caliber)

CB: Andre Dyson (Solid)

OLB: Jamie Sharper (Solid)

MLB: HOLE

OLB: HOLE

DE: HOLE

DT: HOLE

DT: Marcus Stubbs (Solid)

DE: Grant Wistrom (Solid)

 

San Francisco

FS: HOLE

SS: Tony Parrish (Solid)

CB: HOLE

CB: HOLE

OLB: Julian Peterson (All-Pro Caliber)

ILB: Derek Smith (Solid)

ILB: Jeff Ulbrich (Solid), Jamie Winborn (Solid)

OLB: Andre Carter (Solid)

DE: HOLE

DT: HOLE

DE: Marques Douglas (Solid)

 

Kansas City

FS: HOLE

SS: HOLE

CB: Patrick Surtain (All-Pro Caliber)

CB: Erik Warfield (Solid)

OLB: Derrick Johnson (Solid)

MLB: Shawn Barber (Solid)

OLB: Kendrell Bell (All-Pro Caliber)

DE: HOLE

DT: HOLE

DT: Lional Dalton (Solid)

DE: Jared Allen (Solid)

 

Green Bay

FS: HOLE

SS: HOLE

CB: Al Harris (Solid)

CB: HOLE

OLB: Nail Diggs (Solid)

MLB: Nick Barnett (All-Pro Caliber)

OLB: HOLE

DE: Aaron Kampman (Solid)

DT: Grady Jackson (Solid)

DT: HOLE

DE: Kabaar Biamila (Solid)

Sorry for the long post.  Can you tell that I'm in football mode?

 

Props to you for taking the time to write that whole thing out.

[hammerhead johnson]

Props to you for taking the time to write that whole thing out.

 

Oh yeah, no problem. I put together depth charts for betting purposes.

 

It helps me to keep track of injuries and what not.

[knightni]

The Bears could never, ever begin to approach the Elite 4.

 

New England

Jacksonville

Buffalo

Carolina

 

Let's take a look at this more closely.  I will only list players who are above average (aka solid) or better.  If you're merely adequate, you represent a hole as far as I'm concerned.

 

First off, one of the deepest defensive squads in the history of the NFL:

 

New England

FS: Eugene Wilson (All-Pro Caliber)

SS: Rodney Harrison (All-Pro Caliber)

CB: Duane Starks (Solid), Randall Gay (Solid)

CB: Asante Samuel (Solid), Tyrone Poole (Solid)

OLB: Willie McGinnest (Solid), Rosey Colvin (Solid)

ILB: Ted Johnson (Solid)

ILB: Chad Brown (Solid), Monty Beisel (Solid)

OLB: Mike Vrabel (All-Pro Caliber)

DE: Richard Seymour (All-Pro Caliber)

DT: Vince Wilfork (All-Pro Caliber)

DE: Ty Warren (All-Pro Caliber), Jarvis Green (Solid)

 

I'm counting 16 guys who are solid (aka above average) or better.  There is not one hole on this defense. 

 

It's New England, and then the following 3 teams:

 

Ted Johnson = retired

[NUKE_CLEVELAND]

You breathe on Grossman wrong and he gets hurt............time to move on.

[CWSGuy406]

You breathe on Grossman wrong and he gets hurt............time to move on.

 

Nuke... haven't seen ya in the Blackhawk thread lately.

 

Hmm... Wonder why?

[GoodAsGould]

Ian Scott, Alphonso Boone, and Tank Johnson are all adequate players right now.  Azumah is a run-of-the-mill CB if I've ever seen one.  Great special teams player, though.

 

Nate Clements is a motherf***ing stud CB.  Schobel and Kelsey are two of the more underrated defensive ends in the NFL, your point is proof of that.  Are they not rated very highly on X-Box or playstation?

 

The Ravens are not an elite defense.  Ray Lewis is nowhere near what he once was...he couldn't shed blocks for s*** in the 3-4.  They have holes at both DT slots, OLB (with the departure of Hartwell), Strong Safety, etc.  You have them ranked ahead of New England? 

 

Jacksonville and Carolina are top defensive teams.  Really now, there is no argument there.  When I think "Devastating Front 7", those two come to mind immediately.  Their secondaries ain't too shabby either.  Ricky Manning is somewhere between adequate and above average, but closer to the latter.

 

Well now your saying our other DT's are adequete players right now which just shows that its not really a hole. And Idonno if you watched Carolina last year but their CB's are no better than Azumah... Ricky Manning had a good rookie season especially in the playoffs but he sucked last year. The Ravens are still the best because they have 3 Pro Bowl calibur players in the secondary, Ray Lewis in the LB corps and than their DT's are a bit weak but with that secondary they can stack the line for the run.

 

Jacksonville is a great defensive team dont get me wrong and I have them in the top 4-5 but not as high as you make them. Carolina like I said earlier isnt as good as you think they are.

 

And the buffalo guys can be underated all they want they arent Pro Bowl players and for you to think so makes me

[RockRaines]

Forfeit the season and draft Leinhart...no reason not to.

[hammerhead johnson]

Well now your saying our other DT's are adequete players right now which just shows that its not really a hole. 

 

This is one of the first things that I said before I typed the depth charts:

 

If you're merely adequate, you represent a hole as far as I'm concerned.

 

Very, very simple.

 

There is no way in hell that one could be completely accurate with this s***. So much of it is subjective. But it would be cool if people actually read things through before responding.

[hammerhead johnson]

Ted Johnson = retired

 

oops

[hammerhead johnson]

And the buffalo guys can be underated all they want they arent Pro Bowl players and for you to think so makes me 

 

 

Chris Kelsay

No player is poised for stardom on defense more than the third-year pro out of Nebraska. Chris started the final 9 games last year and wound up with 37 tackles, 4 1/2 sacks, one interception, two fumble recoveries, and 15 quarterback hits. He has a terrific first step and his motor allows for consistent playmaking from the backside. He bulked up this past offseason in order to become sturdier against the run.

 

Aaron Schobel

Schobel's sack numbers dropped from 11 1/2 in 2003 to 8 in 2004, but he enjoyed his best all-around season. Aaron is a relentless pass-rusher with speed off the edge. His biggest improvement came on run defense. He has gotten stronger at the point of attack and has learned how to better use his hands to keep offensive linemen off of his body.

 

But this is all pointless, I suppose. If you think that the Ravens are the best defense in the NFL, and the Bears are the second best, I can't argue with you.

Edited August 15, 2005 by hammerhead johnson

[WHarris1]

to hammer for taking the time to put all that together. Obviously people are gonna argue with you when you make that many judgements, but on the whole it looks really really solid analysis. Except Lance Briggs grade of course.

[White Sox Josh]

Don't know why everyone is b****ing about losing Grossman. I didn't know that the bears lost Tom Brady for the season. All Grossman had to do this year was be adequate for the Bears to have a good chance to win the division. All he was supposed to do was just be decent enough to not make any mistakes. They would run the ball a lot anyways and as long as you throw it near Muhmamad he will catch it. Plus this team is built on defense. Chad Hutchinson or Orton are fully capable of doing all of this.

[hammerhead johnson]

to hammer for taking the time to put all that together.  Obviously people are gonna argue with you when you make that many judgements, but on the whole it looks really really solid analysis.  Except Lance Briggs grade of course.

 

Thanks, bro.

 

Briggs was a tough call, but I figured that people would think I was a Bears dope if I called him All-Pro Caliber. I was generous with the Mike Green rating as well, because most feel that he's merely adequate.

[AirScott]

How do you know this?

 

What has the Bears organization shown you to let you know Orton won't play this season.

 

That is, what has the Bears--the team with the most starting QBs for the past five seasons--shown you to make you think they won't start a fourth round rookie?

if Hutchinson doesn't play well in the first 4 weeks, Orton probably will get a shot. you're right, the Bears have shown us they will. hell, me and my buddy were bored last night, so we ended up running down all the starting QBs the Bears used since Jim McMahon left. our final count (just off the top of our heads) was 14. this was everyone from Jim Harbaugh to Erik Kramer to Steve Walsh, then guys like Moses Moreno and Craig Krenzel. I still think there were more, though.

[hammerhead johnson]

if Hutchinson doesn't play well in the first 4 weeks, Orton probably will get a shot.  you're right, the Bears have shown us they will.  hell, me and my buddy were bored last night, so we ended up running down all the starting QBs the Bears used since Jim McMahon left.  our final count (just off the top of our heads) was 14.  this was everyone from Jim Harbaugh to Erik Kramer to Steve Walsh, then guys like Moses Moreno and Craig Krenzel.  I still think there were more, though.

 

Peter Tom Willis

 

Motherf***ing phenom.

[AirScott]

You breathe on Grossman wrong and he gets hurt............time to move on.

these are just unfortunate injuries, it's not like Grossman sprained his ankle last year and missed 13 weeks. hopefully he only takes the 3 months, and not 4, because we still really haven't seen what he can do. he gets put on a higher pedastal because of how s***ty Dr. Jonathan Quinn did last year.

[Hatchetman]

did you count will furrer?

[knightni]

Is it "caliber" or "calibre"?

[knightni]

Steve Stenstrom, Dave Krieg, Mike Tomczak, Kordell Stewart, Shane Matthews...

[hammerhead johnson]

Is it "caliber" or "calibre"?

 

If your teeth are straight and pearly white, you spell it as caliber.

[GoodAsGould]

Whatevr the case I think the Bears defese is going to surprise you Hammer. While Ian Scott seems average the Bears organzation has had nothing but good things to say about him which leads me to believe he might be better. Also Alex Brown was like a step away from so many sacks last year and he has worked hard this offseason to improve that and get a quicker jump and we havent seen a healthy ogunleye yet.

 

Our defense is extremely balanced and there is no one pacific weak link in it that you can point at. Sure there is Hunter Hillenmeyer and Ian Scott but they arent bad at all just not great. And Hunter showed last year he could be really good while filling in for Urlacher some but im not completely sold on him.