fathom Posted September 3, 2005 Share Posted September 3, 2005 QUOTE(VAfan @ Sep 3, 2005 -> 08:48 PM) Now explain to me again why sending Gload down and bringing Adkins up was the right move. Can anyone explain this? Because Ozzie wanted a long reliever so he didn't have to use Viz, Politte, Cotts, Jenks, Marte, and Hermanson too much. That is the right decision if you ask me. Gload's numbers were impressive....IN THE MINORS! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWSGuy406 Posted September 3, 2005 Share Posted September 3, 2005 QUOTE(fathom @ Sep 3, 2005 -> 09:10 PM) Because Ozzie wanted a long reliever so he didn't have to use Viz, Politte, Cotts, Jenks, Marte, and Hermanson too much. That is the right decision if you ask me. Gload's numbers were impressive....IN THE MINORS! http://sports.yahoo.com/mlbpa/players/6560...04&type=Batting Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted September 3, 2005 Share Posted September 3, 2005 QUOTE(CWSGuy406 @ Sep 3, 2005 -> 09:14 PM) http://sports.yahoo.com/mlbpa/players/6560...04&type=Batting Trust me, I know Gload's a better hitter than Timo. However, it's become 100 percent obvious that Ozzie is more comfortable with Timo on the team than Gload. There's no reason to argue about this fact anymore. Once a manager rewards a player for being in a 4-40 slump by putting him in the 5th spot and leadoff spot in the same week, it's time to stop trying to think rationally. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevin57 Posted September 4, 2005 Share Posted September 4, 2005 QUOTE(fathom @ Sep 3, 2005 -> 04:16 PM) Trust me, I know Gload's a better hitter than Timo. However, it's become 100 percent obvious that Ozzie is more comfortable with Timo on the team than Gload. There's no reason to argue about this fact anymore. Once a manager rewards a player for being in a 4-40 slump by putting him in the 5th spot and leadoff spot in the same week, it's time to stop trying to think rationally. Agree 100%. I know we're not supposed to use personal attacks around here, but it is hard to see how Ozzie does not have some sort of weird favortism going for Timo. Very weird. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JimH Posted September 4, 2005 Share Posted September 4, 2005 Now explain to me again why sending Gload down and bringing Adkins up was the right move. Can anyone explain this? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Yeah, I can ... for the 20th time, and I'll probably have to do it for the 21st time because you keep going back to numbers and splits and everything else that doesn't matter in this instance. Let me try this slowly ... They wanted a 12th pitcher JUST IN CASE it was necessary to have a guy eat some innings if one or more of the starters couldn't go deep into a game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted September 4, 2005 Share Posted September 4, 2005 QUOTE(kevin57 @ Sep 4, 2005 -> 10:01 AM) Agree 100%. I know we're not supposed to use personal attacks around here, but it is hard to see how Ozzie does not have some sort of weird favortism going for Timo. Very weird. Ozzie likes Timo because he comes up with big hits time and time again, it's really that simple. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg The Bull Luzinski Posted September 4, 2005 Share Posted September 4, 2005 If it is any consolation to Ross Gload supporters, I am quite certain that he will be starting at 1B on Monday when we trot the B-team out against Boston. He will be batting fourth behind LF Timo Perez. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoodAsGould Posted September 4, 2005 Share Posted September 4, 2005 QUOTE(Jeckle2000 @ Sep 3, 2005 -> 02:48 AM) Ohhh poor Ross Gload... Seriously he was down in the minors because his defense sucks. Simple as that. On a team built on pitching and defense you can't have a suspect glove covering at first... He should of been up as a DH maybe but I can imagine why they wouldn't want to carry such a one demensional player around... And you wonder why you have 0 credibility on this board? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AngelasDaddy0427 Posted September 5, 2005 Share Posted September 5, 2005 Yeah because i'm not a member of the Ross Gload fan club... Seriously not all of us have to cream our pants over a AAAA first basemen... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted September 5, 2005 Share Posted September 5, 2005 I kind of like Gload compared to some of our other bench guys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VAfan Posted September 5, 2005 Share Posted September 5, 2005 QUOTE(JimH @ Sep 4, 2005 -> 04:11 PM) Yeah, I can ... for the 20th time, and I'll probably have to do it for the 21st time because you keep going back to numbers and splits and everything else that doesn't matter in this instance. Let me try this slowly ... They wanted a 12th pitcher JUST IN CASE it was necessary to have a guy eat some innings if one or more of the starters couldn't go deep into a game. But that lame idea evaporated the day they sent Gload down when Everett pulled his groin. Adkins didn't even "eat" any innings until his last game, after a month of losses when it was pretty clear from day 1 we needed an extra bat. Face it, it was the wrong decision, and it probably cost us a couple of games. Thankfully we had a 15 game lead at one point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted September 5, 2005 Share Posted September 5, 2005 I highly doubt having Gload on the roster would have equated to any extra wins for the Sox. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted September 5, 2005 Share Posted September 5, 2005 QUOTE(VAfan @ Sep 5, 2005 -> 01:49 PM) But that lame idea evaporated the day they sent Gload down when Everett pulled his groin. Adkins didn't even "eat" any innings until his last game, after a month of losses when it was pretty clear from day 1 we needed an extra bat. Face it, it was the wrong decision, and it probably cost us a couple of games. Thankfully we had a 15 game lead at one point. The thing about this is that he was available if he was needed. It just so happens that he wasn't. If a situation occured, it could have put the bullpen in bad shape without Adkins around. So no, that idea was not lame. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted September 5, 2005 Share Posted September 5, 2005 QUOTE(YASNY @ Sep 5, 2005 -> 02:04 PM) The thing about this is that he was available if he was needed. It just so happens that he wasn't. If a situation occured, it could have put the bullpen in bad shape without Adkins around. So no, that idea was not lame. That's why they call it an insurance policy, some people for some reason can not grasp this concept. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JimH Posted September 5, 2005 Share Posted September 5, 2005 But that lame idea evaporated the day they sent Gload down when Everett pulled his groin. Adkins didn't even "eat" any innings until his last game, after a month of losses when it was pretty clear from day 1 we needed an extra bat. Face it, it was the wrong decision, and it probably cost us a couple of games. Thankfully we had a 15 game lead at one point. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Once again, you missed the "just in case" part. Not what actually happened. It was the absolute right decision if their motive was to have a 12th pitcher just in case, nor did it cost them a couple of games because your premise is based on an assumption that Gload would've delivered. I know of no crystal ball that assures a guy will hit. But I don't think you understand, so let's leave it alone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted September 5, 2005 Share Posted September 5, 2005 QUOTE(Kalapse @ Sep 5, 2005 -> 02:22 PM) That's why they call it an insurance policy, some people for some reason can not grasp this concept. Some people just want something to b**** about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted September 5, 2005 Share Posted September 5, 2005 Timo is a major contributor in the clubhouse, there is no denying that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VAfan Posted September 5, 2005 Share Posted September 5, 2005 QUOTE(JimH @ Sep 5, 2005 -> 07:27 PM) Once again, you missed the "just in case" part. Not what actually happened. It was the absolute right decision if their motive was to have a 12th pitcher just in case, nor did it cost them a couple of games because your premise is based on an assumption that Gload would've delivered. I know of no crystal ball that assures a guy will hit. But I don't think you understand, so let's leave it alone. I understand perfectly, I just think it was a terrible decision. We played a whole lot of August with only 12 healthy position players, not the 14 who had helped us to baseball's best record. And for those of you defending Adkins, you do realize that he essentially blew two of the games in which he pitched. We had Vizcaino to fill that job, and he would have liked the work!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted September 5, 2005 Share Posted September 5, 2005 QUOTE(VAfan @ Sep 5, 2005 -> 03:58 PM) I understand perfectly, I just think it was a terrible decision. We played a whole lot of August with only 12 healthy position players, not the 14 who had helped us to baseball's best record. And for those of you defending Adkins, you do realize that he essentially blew two of the games in which he pitched. We had Vizcaino to fill that job, and he would have liked the work!! Viz can throw 2 innings. Adkins can throw 6+. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JimH Posted September 5, 2005 Share Posted September 5, 2005 I understand perfectly, I just think it was a terrible decision. We played a whole lot of August with only 12 healthy position players, not the 14 who had helped us to baseball's best record. And for those of you defending Adkins, you do realize that he essentially blew two of the games in which he pitched. We had Vizcaino to fill that job, and he would have liked the work!! <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I guess I will have to slow down again. No one is defending Adkins. Please read thru the posts, no one ever defended Adkins, he is a borderline major leaguer at best. This is not about choosing Adkins over Gload. That is not the issue. The issue was having the safety net. That safety net was an extra pitcher, in case he was needed to work a few innings. Adkins warmed up a bunch of times and also worked a few innings in his stint, which helped keep the rest of the bullpen fresh. The team is built around pitching, you saw that again today in Boston. It makes sense now, and it did make sense then, that you do everything you can to keep your bullpen fresh in the dog days of August. That is more important than having an extra hitter who would have gotten the odd start here or there. Why is this so hard to grasp? Everyone else seems to get it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JimH Posted September 5, 2005 Share Posted September 5, 2005 You know what, forget it, I apologize. This is completely fruitless trying to drill this point home. They did what they did, they did it for a good reason, the team survived a rough stretch without MVP candidate Ross Gload, and they did it with pitching. So forget I even mentioned anything, because it really doesn't matter, it's over with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AngelasDaddy0427 Posted September 5, 2005 Share Posted September 5, 2005 QUOTE(Chisoxfn @ Sep 5, 2005 -> 02:47 PM) Timo is a major contributor in the clubhouse, there is no denying that. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Did anyone watch the ESPN broadcast... Those two clown announcers were listing guys that Timo had but under his wing and one of them said Damaso Marte... Doesn't Marte actually have more experience then Timo... I mean he's hardly just some kid... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted September 5, 2005 Share Posted September 5, 2005 QUOTE(Jeckle2000 @ Sep 5, 2005 -> 02:15 PM) Did anyone watch the ESPN broadcast... Those two clown announcers were listing guys that Timo had but under his wing and one of them said Damaso Marte... Doesn't Marte actually have more experience then Timo... I mean he's hardly just some kid... Timo has more major league experience. I gotta be honest, I knock Timo and I think Ozzie uses him too much (thats my major problem with Timo) but from what I do know he's very well liked in the clubhouse and has gelled with a lot of the latin players. He's also a pretty heady ballplayer, despite how I cringe every time he tries to catch the ball. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AngelasDaddy0427 Posted September 5, 2005 Share Posted September 5, 2005 I still say Timo could be a .300 hitter if he wasn't so lazy 70 % of the time... Instead he chooses to be "clutch"... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3E8 Posted September 5, 2005 Share Posted September 5, 2005 QUOTE(Jeckle2000 @ Sep 5, 2005 -> 05:28 PM) I still say Timo could be a .300 hitter if he wasn't so lazy 70 % of the time... Instead he chooses to be "clutch"... It's not laziness, it's lack of AB's. Each dot on the chart represents Timo's batting average against the number of at-bats he had that year. I inserted the line of best fit. Numbers don't lie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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