CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted September 5, 2005 Share Posted September 5, 2005 Maybe BMac's bad outtings earlier led to the Sox getting lowball offers in trade talks, therefore no trades involving BMac. Now it's paying off and if he keeps it up could he be in the playoff rotation? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted September 5, 2005 Share Posted September 5, 2005 Supposedly BMac was on KW's untouchables list. So he was not going to be traded anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted September 5, 2005 Share Posted September 5, 2005 Whatever happened...all I can think about is this... We have a kid that just took the best power hitting lineup and the best overall lineup in baseball and totally shut both of them down for 14 2/3 innings. 5 hits total, 0 runs. This kid will be making $400,000 or so next year. And if he can do this...he's got a shot at winning 15 or more. Salary flexibility...thy name is McCarthy. We'll have him around for years at a cheap price. In a few years, we may very well have a Buehrle, Garland, McCarthy, Gonzalez, etc. rotation. And no one in baseball will be hitting it. Whatever happened...thank God we didn't mortgage this kid for some free agent to be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bulokis Posted September 5, 2005 Share Posted September 5, 2005 QUOTE(Kalapse @ Sep 5, 2005 -> 01:30 PM) Supposedly BMac was on KW's untouchables list. So he was not going to be traded anyway. That's a good thing bcoz next year, we can still have one of the best rotation next year with Mark, Freddy, Jon, BMAC and Count/Duque. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AngelasDaddy0427 Posted September 5, 2005 Share Posted September 5, 2005 (edited) If i'm KW i'm seriously considering leaving El Duque off the playoff roster... Make him like the Count's personal pitching coach or something... Seriously if BMAC keeps this up Orlando will be out of a job next year... Ohh and to whoever thinks that we should keep El Duque instead of Count.... Why on earth wouldn't you want to keep the guy who's stayed healthy... at least you know with El Duque that theres always a willing trade partner in the Yankees for him... Besides that Count has the stuff to dominate teams, El Duque has to rely on his brains but even then the stuff sometimes just isn't there to back him up... BMAC.... YES!!!! Edited September 5, 2005 by Jeckle2000 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted September 5, 2005 Share Posted September 5, 2005 QUOTE(Jeckle2000 @ Sep 5, 2005 -> 12:40 PM) If i'm KW i'm seriously considering leaving El Duque off the playoff roster... Make him like the Count's personal pitching coach or something... Seriously if BMAC keeps this up Orlando will be out of a job next year... I really wonder how well El Duque would handle working as a long relief pitcher...if memory serves, at least 1 or 2 guys in our bullpen (Viz included) are free agents after this year. Yeah, he'd have to warm his arm up more often to pitch from the bullpen, but there'd be a much lighter workload per outing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted September 5, 2005 Share Posted September 5, 2005 QUOTE(Jeckle2000 @ Sep 5, 2005 -> 02:40 PM) If i'm KW i'm seriously considering leaving El Duque off the playoff roster... Make him like the Count's personal pitching coach or something... Seriously if BMAC keeps this up Orlando will be out of a job next year... Ohh and to whoever thinks that we should keep El Duque instead of Count.... Why on earth wouldn't you want to keep the guy who's stayed healthy... at least you know with El Duque that theres always a willing trade partner in the Yankees for him... Besides that Count has the stuff to dominate teams, El Duque has to rely on his brains but even then the stuff sometimes just isn't there to back him up... BMAC.... YES!!!! You are forgetting one big thing, Jeckle. That's post-season experience and DuQue's knack for stepping up in big games. Ok, that's two things, but I put less importance on that big game thing. BMac has been totally awesome, but I just don't know about sending a 22 year old rookie out there with the whole season on the line. I'd have to think long and hard about that move. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted September 5, 2005 Share Posted September 5, 2005 I'm in total awe of this kid right now. 14 2/3 shutout innings against the two best offenses in the American League, ON THE ROAD. The Marlins better hope they can resign Burnett, or else they're gonna look awfully foolish. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted September 5, 2005 Share Posted September 5, 2005 QUOTE(Jeckle2000 @ Sep 5, 2005 -> 01:40 PM) If i'm KW i'm seriously considering leaving El Duque off the playoff roster... Make him like the Count's personal pitching coach or something... Seriously if BMAC keeps this up Orlando will be out of a job next year... Ohh and to whoever thinks that we should keep El Duque instead of Count.... Why on earth wouldn't you want to keep the guy who's stayed healthy... at least you know with El Duque that theres always a willing trade partner in the Yankees for him... Besides that Count has the stuff to dominate teams, El Duque has to rely on his brains but even then the stuff sometimes just isn't there to back him up... BMAC.... YES!!!! The main reason they brought Duque over was for his experience in the post-season. No way in hell they would even consider leaving him off the playoff roster. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted September 5, 2005 Share Posted September 5, 2005 QUOTE(Jordan4life_2005 @ Sep 5, 2005 -> 08:38 PM) I'm in total awe of this kid right now. 14 2/3 shutout innings against the two best offenses in the American League, ON THE ROAD. The Marlins better hope they can resign Burnett, or else they're gonna look awfully foolish. It wasn't the Marlins that put the kabosh on the trade, I think the Sox backed away when they realized Burnett didn't want to resign here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted September 5, 2005 Share Posted September 5, 2005 QUOTE(fathom @ Sep 5, 2005 -> 02:40 PM) It wasn't the Marlins that put the kabosh on the trade, I think the Sox backed away when they realized Burnett didn't want to resign here. I heard differently. But you could be right. Either way, I'm glad we've got B-mac. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted September 5, 2005 Share Posted September 5, 2005 QUOTE(Jordan4life_2005 @ Sep 5, 2005 -> 12:39 PM) The main reason they brought Duque over was for his experience in the post-season. No way in hell they would even consider leaving him off the playoff roster. Ozzie will ride the hot hand. If Duque struggles down the stretch and Brandon pitches like he has since being recalled, it will be a no doubter in my book. All that said, I don't think Duque will stink. I also don't think Duque will be making any starts, unless the match-ups favor it. Things could change though, Count could get shelled his next couple starts and Duque could be the favorite. Who knows. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VAfan Posted September 5, 2005 Share Posted September 5, 2005 QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Sep 5, 2005 -> 07:33 PM) Whatever happened...all I can think about is this... We have a kid that just took the best power hitting lineup and the best overall lineup in baseball and totally shut both of them down for 14 2/3 innings. 5 hits total, 0 runs. This kid will be making $400,000 or so next year. And if he can do this...he's got a shot at winning 15 or more. Salary flexibility...thy name is McCarthy. We'll have him around for years at a cheap price. In a few years, we may very well have a Buehrle, Garland, McCarthy, Gonzalez, etc. rotation. And no one in baseball will be hitting it. Whatever happened...thank God we didn't mortgage this kid for some free agent to be. I agree. See my "Don't Trade Brandon McCarthy" thread in the Trade Winds section. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted September 5, 2005 Share Posted September 5, 2005 QUOTE(Chisoxfn @ Sep 5, 2005 -> 02:46 PM) Ozzie will ride the hot hand. If Duque struggles down the stretch and Brandon pitches like he has since being recalled, it will be a no doubter in my book. All that said, I don't think Duque will stink. I also don't think Duque will be making any starts, unless the match-ups favor it. Things could change though, Count could get shelled his next couple starts and Duque could be the favorite. Who knows. You could be right. But still, there's no way he would be left off the playoff roster. That's all i'm saying. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted September 5, 2005 Share Posted September 5, 2005 QUOTE(Jordan4life_2005 @ Sep 5, 2005 -> 12:49 PM) You could be right. But still, there's no way he would be left off the playoff roster. That's all i'm saying. Remember, while I gave Duque his due when he had a few nice starts a couple weeks ago I have been pretty much bashing the move since day one. I'm not a Duque fan and I don't have much faith in him when he goes out. At the same time I've long supported Contreras (well this season). He's shown me a lot and overall I've been impressed (even though he can frustrate the heck out of ya). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox311 Posted September 5, 2005 Share Posted September 5, 2005 .......I'd have to think long and hard about that move. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> *Does Beavis and Butthead laugh* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted September 5, 2005 Share Posted September 5, 2005 2003 - A 23 year old Josh Beckett steps up and wins WS MVP for the World Champ Marlins. 1997 - A 22 year old Livan Hernadez stups up and wins WS MVP for the World Champ Marlins. It's happened before where a very young pitcher plays expectionally well in the postseason, including the World Series. Hernandez was a rookie with 17 career GS and Beckett was a second year player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yeast Confection Posted September 6, 2005 Share Posted September 6, 2005 (edited) McCarthy is not as good as he will be (barring a major injury, natch) in a couple of years when he's not a rail, but hopefully his recent brilliance against offensive juggernauts in their house will shut the "why do Sox waste time withthese finesse types when they can be loading up on flame-throwing projects" peanut gallery heard from so often earlier in the year. Just wait until they see another "soft-tosser" Gio a couple of years from now... I hear Haigwood and Broadway aren't that hopeless, either As for Cincy/Lindner/Griffey... f*** them, hard. :finger Edited September 6, 2005 by Yeast Confection Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted September 6, 2005 Share Posted September 6, 2005 I see no reason why we shouldnt try El Duque in the pen. Hermy is hurt and we need another quality arm in there. El Duque only gets in trouble when his mind is not in the game. Brining him in for late game situations may trigger that "clutch" aspect of his game, no to mention really set up the batters for k's vs Jenks. I think the El Duque could be a set-up man/closer for another team next year, as his age is becoming a factor, and he has lapses of concentration. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LosMediasBlancas Posted September 6, 2005 Share Posted September 6, 2005 So, we're gonna give the ball to a rookie who has had 2 good starts and zero playoff experience over a veteran who has a pretty good post season record? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yeast Confection Posted September 6, 2005 Share Posted September 6, 2005 Oh yeah and if McCarthy somehow carries this dominance into his remaining 3-4 starts... And Contreras hits a stumbling block.... I start Brandon in the playoffs without hesitation. Next year should be fun with Twins and Santana/Silva/Radke/Liriano/Baker... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LosMediasBlancas Posted September 6, 2005 Share Posted September 6, 2005 So, we're gonna give the ball to a rookie who has had 2 good starts and zero playoff experience over a veteran who has a pretty good post season record? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aboz56 Posted September 6, 2005 Share Posted September 6, 2005 QUOTE(LosMediasBlancas @ Sep 6, 2005 -> 12:16 PM) So, we're gonna give the ball to a rookie who has had 2 good starts and zero playoff experience over a veteran who has a pretty good post season record? I don't see us doing either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AngelasDaddy0427 Posted September 6, 2005 Share Posted September 6, 2005 When that veteran is 60 % of his former self and either way he'd see nothing but bullpen work anyway I'd say sure why not... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted September 6, 2005 Share Posted September 6, 2005 QUOTE(LosMediasBlancas @ Sep 6, 2005 -> 11:16 AM) So, we're gonna give the ball to a rookie who has had 2 good starts and zero playoff experience over a veteran who has a pretty good post season record? The question is, when was he effective in the postseason. El Duque postseason pre-2000 5-0 1.02 ERA 2000-now 4-3 4.03 ERA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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