Just to shed some light on this from an experienced plate umpire.

 

Regardless of whether or not the ball hit the ground, the umpire ruled 'out.' An arm extended means strike 3, the fist means 'batter is out'. Once he does this, he CANNOT ask for help at all. He's out, regardless of whether the ball hit the dirt or whatever any other umpire says.

 

I'll take it. Sox win. But this is the most ridiculous thing i've ever seen.

Thank you Doug Eddings.

 

Guys is there ANY way that call can be turned over and they have to play again starting in the 10th? or can you put this W in the books?

Just to shed some light on this from an experienced plate umpire.

 

Regardless of whether or not the ball hit the ground, the umpire ruled 'out.' An arm extended means strike 3, the fist means 'batter is out'.  Once he does this, he CANNOT ask for help at all. He's out, regardless of whether the ball hit the dirt or whatever any other umpire says.

 

I'll take it. Sox win. But this is the most ridiculous thing i've ever seen.

 

I was wondering about this but does anyone know if that can be protested by the Angels. I absolutely hate winning like this.

 

But on the other hand hats off to Mark Buehrle, he was phenomenal tonight.

Just to shed some light on this from an experienced plate umpire.

 

Regardless of whether or not the ball hit the ground, the umpire ruled 'out.' An arm extended means strike 3, the fist means 'batter is out'.  Once he does this, he CANNOT ask for help at all. He's out, regardless of whether the ball hit the dirt or whatever any other umpire says.

 

I'll take it. Sox win. But this is the most ridiculous thing i've ever seen.

If you are correct, tune in to the Baseball Tonight crew. You will get a good laugh at how bad they're butchering this rule right now.

Just to shed some light on this from an experienced plate umpire.

 

Regardless of whether or not the ball hit the ground, the umpire ruled 'out.' An arm extended means strike 3, the fist means 'batter is out'.  Once he does this, he CANNOT ask for help at all. He's out, regardless of whether the ball hit the dirt or whatever any other umpire says.

 

I'll take it. Sox win. But this is the most ridiculous thing i've ever seen.

Can't that be a strike call though?

If you are correct, tune in to the Baseball Tonight crew.  You will get a good laugh at how bad they're butchering this rule right now.

I'm definitely correct. The fist doesn't mean he swung. The fist means two things at the same time: Caught (no dirt) and batter is out. It's not arm for swing and fist for he swung again. Also, when it's done so lacksadaisacal like that, it is signifying that the ump knows he caught it for sure. Once he ruled out instead of asking for help (and there are subtle ways to do this with the other umpires), he's out. The umpire then backtracked, for whatever reason. I don't know what's going to come out of his mouth, but he won't be able to sleep tonight.

 

I still can't believe it. And i'm not b****ing. I'm just trying to help some people understand this. And i'm watching BBTN, they butched it badly.

stfu noob

Can't that be a strike call though?

The extended arm means he swung through it for a strike. The fist can only mean out at that time. It wouldn't mean 'strike' again.

"Rule 6.09

 

When a batter becomes a base runner on a third strike not caught by the catcher and starts for the dugout, or his position, and then realizes his situation and attempts then to reach first base, he is not out unless he or first base is tagged before he reaches first base. If, however, he actually reaches the dugout or dugout steps, he may not then attempt to go to first base and shall be out."

I'm definitely correct. The fist doesn't mean he swung. The fist means two things at the same time: Caught (no dirt) and batter is out. It's not arm for swing and fist for he swung again. Also, when it's done so lacksadaisacal like that, it is signifying that the ump knows he caught it for sure. Once he ruled out instead of asking for help (and there are subtle ways to do this with the other umpires), he's out. The umpire then backtracked, for whatever reason. I don't know what's going to come out of his mouth, but he won't be able to sleep tonight.

 

I still can't believe it. And i'm not b****ing. I'm just trying to help some people understand this.  And i'm watching BBTN, they butched it badly.

It's Sports Center...not BBTN

Blackjack McDowell just made a great f***ing point, one that I meant to make this afternoon. Everyone will b**** about the call tonight, but Cabrera got away with an illegal slide to break up that DP last night that gave the Angels the 3rd run. Cabrera came out of his slide and rolled into Iguchi. That's an illegal slide, and theoretically, it should have been a DP.

i love winning like this, if everyone hates it i love it...lets be the damn raiders of baseball...

i love winning like this, if everyone hates it i love it...lets be the damn raiders of baseball...

I agree

And your sig is great

im still pretty sure that Paul didnt get ALLLLLL glove on that ball..... i think the call was right.

 

Paul is a pussy, and his mistake cost his team..... give the AL's best record an extra out and see what happens.

 

we win, they lose.

lmao. raiders of baseball

Blackjack McDowell just made a great f***ing point, one that I meant to make this afternoon.  Everyone will b**** about the call tonight, but Cabrera got away with an illegal slide to break up that DP last night that gave the Angels the 3rd run.  Cabrera came out of his slide and rolled into Iguchi.  That's an illegal slide, and theoretically, it should have been a DP.

While I agree with you 100%, that situation didn't result in a run for the Angels. That would weaken our "they got some breaks with calls, too" argument on that particular instance.

 

Glad we won, just pointing that out.

 

But ya know what....all these f***in umpires really have their own little set of "things" they do...so unless he actually said "out"....AJ did the smart thing. Paul shoulda been a little smarter and just tagged him anyway for safe measure.

 

On a different note....wasn't that a full count...and AJ swung at ball 4.

Eddings is on ESPN now, good God this is hard to watch.

Probably the cheapest win we've ever had. I remember a few bad ump calls going against us this year, and I normally wouldn't mind getting one back but in the ALCS!?!? Unbelievable.

Eddings sure sounds like a guy who is trying to talk his way out of a mistake.

Eddings sure sounds like a guy who is trying to talk his way out of a mistake.

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What is he saying?

Eddings sure sounds like a guy who is trying to talk his way out of a mistake.

 

He sounds like he has no idea what the f*** he is talking about.

First Graffy, now Josh

 

I love ex-Sox players. JR must have them still on the payroll.

While I agree with you 100%, that situation didn't result in a run for the Angels.  That would weaken our "they got some breaks with calls, too" argument on that particular instance.

 

Glad we won, just pointing that out.

 

Um...yes it did.