aboz56 Posted November 2, 2005 Share Posted November 2, 2005 QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Nov 2, 2005 -> 05:54 PM) Frank Thomas has had 1 injury the past 2 years. Just 1. The same foot that he was rehabbing last year was still bothering him when he came back, and it's now the same one that he's rehabbing again. While that's not a pleasant thought; consider this. It's 1 singular injury to heal. Just 1 injury. It's not like he's got a broken ankle, 7 torn ligaments in his knees, and a bad back. It's 1 specific spot that's currently giving him trouble. Even more so, think for a second about how the injury originally happened; fielding a ground ball by Juan Pierre. In other words...he was playing 1b, not just serving as a DH. If he did come back, this situation would almost never happen, unless we hit inning 14 of a world series game in a national league park and we needed to pinch run for Konerko. If he can be back, don't underestimate him. And also, don't overestimate this injury. Yeah it's been bad, but it's still just 1 injury. I totally disagree with you. It may be one injury, but it's going to be a Grant Hill type injury. One that will never go away and will plague him for the rest of the career. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steff Posted November 2, 2005 Share Posted November 2, 2005 QUOTE(aboz56 @ Nov 2, 2005 -> 03:55 PM) I totally disagree with you. It may be one injury, but it's going to be a Grant Hill type injury. One that will never go away and will plague him for the rest of the career. Word. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoodAsGould Posted November 2, 2005 Share Posted November 2, 2005 QUOTE(aboz56 @ Nov 2, 2005 -> 09:55 PM) I totally disagree with you. It may be one injury, but it's going to be a Grant Hill type injury. One that will never go away and will plague him for the rest of the career. Well playing basketball and being a DH in baseball is a lot different though. As a DH Frank isnt doing much and he hurt his anke playing 1B against the marlins or something right...... So as long as he is strictly only the DH I think we can get 1-2 more good seasons out of him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3E8 Posted November 2, 2005 Share Posted November 2, 2005 Why not sign Frank just for the chance he'll give us 200 AB's next season? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Felix Posted November 2, 2005 Share Posted November 2, 2005 QUOTE(aboz56 @ Nov 2, 2005 -> 04:55 PM) I totally disagree with you. It may be one injury, but it's going to be a Grant Hill type injury. One that will never go away and will plague him for the rest of the career. Remember how Griffey was injury plauged? And are you talking about the same Grant Hill that had a great year last year? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted November 2, 2005 Share Posted November 2, 2005 QUOTE(3E8 @ Nov 2, 2005 -> 04:01 PM) Why not sign Frank just for the chance he'll give us 200 AB's next season? And what are our options those other 3 to 4 hundred at bat's at dh? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3E8 Posted November 2, 2005 Share Posted November 2, 2005 (edited) QUOTE(Jordan4life_2005 @ Nov 2, 2005 -> 05:03 PM) And what are our options those other 3 to 4 hundred at bat's at dh? Well I'm not saying make him full time DH. Get a 3 hitter, get a 4 hitter (PK), resign Frank. Edited November 2, 2005 by 3E8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWSGuy406 Posted November 2, 2005 Share Posted November 2, 2005 QUOTE(Chisoxfn @ Nov 2, 2005 -> 09:30 PM) I'll pass. This team doesn't need Frank Thomas starting at DH. That is not an upgrade and it is known the Sox need to upgrade the DH position (Everett was > than Thomas and Carl was one of the worse DH's in the AL). If I were told Frank would be healthy, sure, but thats not the case and they need to find themselves a full time, very good DH, and that persons name is not Frank Thomas. Uhh -- the offense was much better when Frank was in the lineup then when he was without it. IIRC, something like a run better. When healthy, Frank Thomas is still one helluva hitter. Of course -- "when healthy" is the pretty important statement. If they can find a good replacement for DH, then I'm fine with it. If not, bring back Thomas on an incentive laden deal, and go from there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted November 2, 2005 Share Posted November 2, 2005 QUOTE(Felix @ Nov 2, 2005 -> 02:02 PM) Remember how Griffey was injury plauged? And are you talking about the same Grant Hill that had a great year last year? Griffey is still injury plagued. He finally had one good year. The last thing I do is sign players that are injury prone. The only reason I was interested in Dye was because of his value and the fact that he was coming off an entirely healthy season and his injury was a total fluke in the 1st place (he also wasn't 38 years old). Griffey finally played 3/4ths of a season and I still wouldn't deal for him this offseason unless the Sox didn't have to give up anything but a prospect or two and even then I'd have to think long and hard about it. Just look at the Dodgers. They were stupid enough to give injury prone guys big contracts and look where it got them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted November 2, 2005 Share Posted November 2, 2005 QUOTE(Jordan4life_2005 @ Nov 2, 2005 -> 02:03 PM) And what are our options those other 3 to 4 hundred at bat's at dh? Brian Anderson. Put him in the Carl Everett role from this year - spelling Frank every 2nd day, and spelling an outfielder every 3rd day. He'll pick up somehting like 400 at bats, plus or minus 100, improve our bench, improve our outfield defense, and improve our team speed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SSH2005 Posted November 2, 2005 Share Posted November 2, 2005 Once the White Sox give Frank his $3.5 million buyout within the next few days (which they will), they will have until the December 7th arbitration deadline to re-sign him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punch and Judy Garland Posted November 2, 2005 Share Posted November 2, 2005 I'll give an injury prone player a deal if he has heart. Griffey and Frank Thomas have heart and care a lot. JD Drew doesn;t give a damn. Thats a big difference Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted November 2, 2005 Share Posted November 2, 2005 QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Nov 2, 2005 -> 04:07 PM) Brian Anderson. Put him in the Carl Everett role from this year - spelling Frank every 2nd day, and spelling an outfielder every 3rd day. He'll pick up somehting like 400 at bats, plus or minus 100, improve our bench, improve our outfield defense, and improve our team speed. That's way to much jerking around of a young player. Anderson is either going to be starting in chicago in cf or some other major league team imo. The Frank situation is interesting and really hard for me to come to a strict conclusion. If he's brought back we need to have a backup plan to be ready to step in if and when Frank goes down again. I mean it was just in 04 that Frank was hitting the ball pretty damn well before going down. On the other hand, there's a good chance he's going to get injured again so it's really not a smart move to bring him back. I guess if I'm kenny I try to get a younger number 3 hitter that can dh, if not then bring back Frank only if there is a good backup in place. Tough decision here for Kenny. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted November 2, 2005 Share Posted November 2, 2005 QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Nov 2, 2005 -> 04:07 PM) Brian Anderson. Put him in the Carl Everett role from this year - spelling Frank every 2nd day, and spelling an outfielder every 3rd day. He'll pick up somehting like 400 at bats, plus or minus 100, improve our bench, improve our outfield defense, and improve our team speed. Well, if Frank only got 200 at bat's, that probably means he suffered another season ending injury. I'd piss my pants if Brian Anderson became our full time dh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aboz56 Posted November 2, 2005 Share Posted November 2, 2005 QUOTE(Felix @ Nov 2, 2005 -> 06:02 PM) Remember how Griffey was injury plauged? And are you talking about the same Grant Hill that had a great year last year? Still missed 15 games, almost 20% of the year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Felix Posted November 2, 2005 Share Posted November 2, 2005 Is there something wrong with having Gload as a DH next year if Frank goes down? I mean, he's no where near the production of Frank, but he's much more than Brian Anderson. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted November 2, 2005 Share Posted November 2, 2005 QUOTE(aboz56 @ Nov 2, 2005 -> 04:14 PM) Still missed 15 games, almost 20% of the year. And he's out the first month of this season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aboz56 Posted November 2, 2005 Share Posted November 2, 2005 QUOTE(Felix @ Nov 2, 2005 -> 06:14 PM) Is there something wrong with having Gload as a DH next year if Frank goes down? I mean, he's no where near the production of Frank, but he's much more than Brian Anderson. Anderson > Gload IMO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aboz56 Posted November 2, 2005 Share Posted November 2, 2005 QUOTE(Jordan4life_2005 @ Nov 2, 2005 -> 06:15 PM) And he's out the first month of this season. He should just retire (Grant Hill). I think Frank would too if he didn't need the money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punch and Judy Garland Posted November 2, 2005 Share Posted November 2, 2005 I'd rather have Anderson than Gload. If there is a dropoff in production from Gload to Anderson-and that is not a complete given-then its probably worth it for Andersons long term development. Plus, you can fill a DH spot later if you want to via trade Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steff Posted November 2, 2005 Share Posted November 2, 2005 QUOTE(aboz56 @ Nov 2, 2005 -> 04:16 PM) He should just retire (Grant Hill). I think Frank would too if he didn't need the money. GMAFB. Seriously. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted November 2, 2005 Share Posted November 2, 2005 QUOTE(Punch and Judy Garland @ Nov 2, 2005 -> 02:16 PM) I'd rather have Anderson than Gload. If there is a dropoff in production from Gload to Anderson-and that is not a complete given-then its probably worth it for Andersons long term development. Plus, you can fill a DH spot later if you want to via trade That's another thing worth noting...there's almost always an adequate player available on the trade market in the early/middle part of the season if you really want to make the deal. Think about the Cardinals getting Larry Walker 2 years ago, or the constant trade rumors around Mike Sweeney. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWSGuy406 Posted November 2, 2005 Share Posted November 2, 2005 QUOTE(Punch and Judy Garland @ Nov 2, 2005 -> 10:16 PM) I'd rather have Anderson than Gload. If there is a dropoff in production from Gload to Anderson-and that is not a complete given-then its probably worth it for Andersons long term development. Plus, you can fill a DH spot later if you want to via trade Why would there be a dropoff in production from Gload to Anderson. Did I miss something? Was Anderson the one who put up the 115 OPS+ in 2004, in a decent-to-good amount of ABs? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punch and Judy Garland Posted November 2, 2005 Share Posted November 2, 2005 QUOTE(CWSGuy406 @ Nov 2, 2005 -> 04:19 PM) Why would there be a dropoff in production from Gload to Anderson. Did I miss something? Was Anderson the one who put up the 115 OPS+ in 2004, in a decent-to-good amount of ABs? Well I don't think there would be but people worry about that because he's a rook. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWSGuy406 Posted November 2, 2005 Share Posted November 2, 2005 QUOTE(Punch and Judy Garland @ Nov 2, 2005 -> 10:20 PM) Well I don't think there would be but people worry about that because he's a rook. I actually wouldn't mind a platoon of the two. I think it's a good way to ease Anderson into the big leagues, while keeping good production at the same time. Of course, I know some dislike the idea of Anderson not being a full-time starter, but I can see it's advantages... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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