Another pitcher?  WTF?

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This article mentions another pitcher (probably a reliever) being in the deal. MLB.com doesn't mention the second pitcher.

Edited December 14, 200520 yr by SSH2005

CBSsportsline said that the sox would add an extra pitcher but mlb.com doesnt, so we'll see.

 

What do you mean ? As in alongside Vacquez ?

I think it says minor league reliever  Baj possibly?

 

What veteran CF is out there in a trade possibility, because if they decide to move Garland if this article is true, I imagine it would be for a CF

Carl Crawford perhaps?

What do you mean ? As in alongside Vacquez ?

As in Duke/Young/ML Reliever for Vazquez + Cash.

Carl Crawford perhaps?

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Its too bad Edmonds isn't a few years younger cause I'd suggest a deal for him (with one of the starters) cause you know the Cards are looking for pitching.

 

Also, just want to say, doesn't this still leave open the possibility of a Garland for Abreu deal or something along those lines as well (if the Sox wanted to get crazy with payroll). Plus considering they are getting Duque off the books, it wouldn't be a huge increase in Abreu (just saying this name cause everyone's been talking about him over the off-season).

Someone explain to me why Tampa Bay would want Jon Garland, who is a FA after this year

I will say this, our MLB club is to me stronger on paper this year than last (doesn't mean s*** though cause injuries and a lack of meeting your potential or being hot at the right time always come into account) but our farm system is weaker (however we got good value for our guys, imo).

 

 

Agreed here, right now our major league club is much stronger imo on paper but like you said that means nothing. Getting to the farm, we'll basically have this whole ballclub back next year as well so that will give us some time to replenish the farm and add pieces when needed in 08. It's very interesting though what Kenny is doing.

Son of a b****! another one of our top prospects! I don't think KW is going to get a 3B, thats why he got Mack, but I wouldn't doubt it with Boras and Crede's back.

 

It sucks giving up Young though, it looked like he would be the next break through star with us besides McCarthy. I trust KW though, with our OF already set and Owens, Sweeney, Nanita and few other prospects we should be fine in the OF. As long as Vazquez pitches good we should not miss Young too much.

Its too bad Edmonds isn't a few years younger cause I'd suggest a deal for him (with one of the starters) cause you know the Cards are looking for pitching. 

 

Also, just want to say, doesn't this still leave open the possibility of a Garland for Abreu deal or something along those lines as well (if the Sox wanted to get crazy with payroll).  Plus considering they are getting Duque off the books, it wouldn't be a huge increase in Abreu (just saying this name cause everyone's been talking about him over the off-season).

I doubt it. I don't think KW is willing to completely redo the 2006 team but Abreu for Garland straight up....I'll give Philly my right nut too.

Its too bad Edmonds isn't a few years younger cause I'd suggest a deal for him (with one of the starters) cause you know the Cards are looking for pitching. 

 

Also, just want to say, doesn't this still leave open the possibility of a Garland for Abreu deal or something along those lines as well (if the Sox wanted to get crazy with payroll).  Plus considering they are getting Duque off the books, it wouldn't be a huge increase in Abreu (just saying this name cause everyone's been talking about him over the off-season).

 

Considering that KW is managing like he's in charge of an XBox baseball team, who the hell knows what will happen next. Man, remember when the Trade Winds were exciting during the regular season trade deadline? I miss those days....it's boring now

Its too bad Edmonds isn't a few years younger cause I'd suggest a deal for him (with one of the starters) cause you know the Cards are looking for pitching. 

 

Also, just want to say, doesn't this still leave open the possibility of a Garland for Abreu deal or something along those lines as well (if the Sox wanted to get crazy with payroll).  Plus considering they are getting Duque off the books, it wouldn't be a huge increase in Abreu (just saying this name cause everyone's been talking about him over the off-season).

Garland for Abreu? Me LIKEY!

Someone explain to me why Tampa Bay would want Jon Garland, who is a FA after this year

New ownership, a name player, a good player below market value, too many outfielders and a #1 SP for the Rays.

Its too bad Edmonds isn't a few years younger cause I'd suggest a deal for him (with one of the starters) cause you know the Cards are looking for pitching. 

 

Also, just want to say, doesn't this still leave open the possibility of a Garland for Abreu deal or something along those lines as well (if the Sox wanted to get crazy with payroll).  Plus considering they are getting Duque off the books, it wouldn't be a huge increase in Abreu (just saying this name cause everyone's been talking about him over the off-season).

I know you're just throwing that out there but then again Scotty in center.

Someone explain to me why Tampa Bay would want Jon Garland, who is a FA after this year

excellent point, that's why maybe the Rangers, they would seem to be a team who would pay a lot of money to a pitcher (cough Chan Ho cough) so they may do it thinking they can resign him

I have a feeling that last year's success and increase in attendance has made JR and KW think more about maintaining the success in the immediate future, and not really worry about the distant future.  If that means payrolls around 90 million, then I'm not too worried.  Come on, since when are we concerned about trading prospects?  We're not exactly the greatest developers of talent.

I agree. I've long said, if the Sox can get into the playoffs this year, they will draw 3 million guaranteed the following year. If they somehow take 3 striaght divisions and somehow win another world series in the near future, they may just position themselves as a favorite in Chicago again.

 

Winning cures a lot of things and with this pitching staff and some of the guys under contract for a while they are in a position (if all goes well and we've seen in years past that that doesn't always happen) to win and compete for it all the next couple years.

 

Hell, I've long said, if we go into the playoffs next year, I don't think a 100 million a year payroll is out of the question in the 07 or 08 season.

I know you're just throwing that out there but then again Scotty in center.

But then again, Abreu in left.

Someone explain to me why Tampa Bay would want Jon Garland, who is a FA after this year

They wouldn't. The Sox have zero chips for Crawford. Honestly we won't be able to deal with a small market team at this point (after dealing Young, the Sox aren't going to have the type of prospects to give up for a team not looking to add payroll).

I know you're just throwing that out there but then again Scotty in center.

lol, that's what runs through my mind everytime I think of another corner outfielder coming in.

 

OK, my pipedream trade that comes out of this that would NEVER happen, Seattle backs off on their no trading Ichiro policy

Considering that KW is managing like he's in charge of an XBox baseball team, who the hell knows what will happen next.  Man, remember when the Trade Winds were exciting during the regular season trade deadline?  I miss those days....it's boring now

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Xbox trades DO exist!!!

 

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How about Garland for Corey Patterson?

Agreed here, right now our major league club is much stronger imo on paper but like you said that means nothing.  Getting to the farm, we'll basically have this whole ballclub back next year as well so that will give us some time to replenish the farm and add pieces when needed in 08.  It's very interesting though what Kenny is doing.

I didn't expect us to make too many moves this offseason, but damn KW has a plan. As the rest of the division is improving so are the sox, not only next season, but for the next 2 or 3 seasons. Damn im excited, I have faith in KW. Watch and learn while the true Exec of the year works.

They wouldn't.  The Sox have zero chips for Crawford.  Honestly we won't be able to deal with a small market team at this point (after dealing Young, the Sox aren't going to have the type of prospects to give up for a team not looking to add payroll).

 

cough cough Blalock cough cough

Wow if KW can somehow get Crawford here now: we shall all bow our heads down to kenny's feet and say "were not worthy, were not worthy!"