Sox Acquire Javier Vazquez

[Rowand44]

Adding that 8 mill is absolutely huge so that makes things a lot better. You definitely have to wait and see now to see what other things happen cause this could have a trickle down effect. Whether you like the trade or not I can't believe anyone would say they lost faith in KW after this move, especially when Vazquez hasn't even taken the field for us and Young hasn't played above AA ball. If Coop and AJ(don't forget how aj can help pitchers) can do there thing we could have 3 years of a younger Jose Contreras, just think about that for a little while. Overall, I'm torn on the deal a little bit cause I want to see what else happens but I got complete faith in Kenny.

[RME JICO]

ESPN already has a poll up about the trade:

 

http://proxy.espn.go.com/chat/sportsnation...g?event_id=1920

 

and the two most obvious questions:

 

1) Which team do you feel got the better deal?

 

69.3% White Sox

30.7% Diamondbacks

 

5) Do you think the White Sox are better now than they were at the end of the World Series?

 

87.0% Yes

13.0% No

[Harry Chappas]

Imagine how deep we would be and the potential trade we could pull off if we still had that Webster fellow (not the midget from the Alex Karris show either) in centerfield. Come on. For every John Smoltz there are a hundred Scott Ruffcorn's. I will say this I trust Dave Wilder and Kenny Williams to understand their farm system.

[Buehrle>Wood]

We overpaid... again.  This seems to be a thing about this offseason.  We are getting good players, but overpaying massively.

Oh come on now.

 

 

 

 

Too funny.

[rcpweiner]

Chris Young for Javier Vazquez is one sided enough.  We have 5 starters without Vazquez, and we throw in our best prospect for a 6th.  Then, we threw in two other pitchers.  It doesn't make sense to me unless Garland is already being dealt elsewhere.

 

Plus, Vazquez is not that good of a groundball pitcher.. the balls will be flying out of US Cellular Field.

 

No, the biggest thing we gave up for Thome is Gio and Haigwood, our best lefty pitching prospects.  And what does it matter if he's a future HOF?  We are talking about how he will do next year, not how his career has been.

 

 

You, sir, are retarded. Do you honestly think we'd be better off without making either of those deals?

 

Meaning that, first off, we pretty much lose Konerko to the Angels because he doesn't get the chance to play with his idol. Thusly, our best hitter is Carl Everett (if we sign him) and maybe Frank (if he's healthy, which is a bigger risk than Thome).

 

And instead of Javy as currently our number 5 pitcher (giving the Sox the best rotation in baseball), we throw McCarthy out to the wolves. And while he has shown he should be able to handle it, Jon Rauch and Danny Wright were can't-miss prospects as well.

 

Same thing with Joe Borchard.

 

A prospect is just that: a prospect. If the game was about winning Triple-A championships, then I'd be upset. But it's not. It's about putting together the best team in the majors. And since the Sox have a unique window of opportunity right now to go on a nice run, it's worth risking the POSSIBILITY of these guys being future stars in order to get proven talent.

 

Winning Now = More Attendance = More Money = Bigger Budget = More Free Agents Signing Here = Less Need For Minor League Projects = Winning More

[SoxFan1]

Holy f***ing s***. What the hell is KW doign to the bullpen?

[greasywheels121]

He wants you to bring back the choke avatar.

[WHarris1]

Holy f***ing s***. What the hell is KW doign to the bullpen?

Um...he did nothing to the pen today...

[Buehrle>Wood]

He wants you to bring back the choke avatar.

No need, I still have mine.

[rcpweiner]

Holy f***ing s***. What the hell is KW doign to the bullpen?

 

Getting rid of the worst parts of it for better players?

[SoxFan1]

You, sir, are retarded. Do you honestly think we'd be better off without making either of those deals?

 

Meaning that, first off, we pretty much lose Konerko to the Angels because he doesn't get the chance to play with his idol. Thusly, our best hitter is Carl Everett (if we sign him) and maybe Frank (if he's healthy, which is a bigger risk than Thome).

 

And instead of Javy as currently our number 5 pitcher (giving the Sox the best rotation in baseball), we throw McCarthy out to the wolves. And while he has shown he should be able to handle it, Jon Rauch and Danny Wright were can't-miss prospects as well.

 

Same thing with Joe Borchard.

 

A prospect is just that: a prospect. If the game was about winning Triple-A championships, then I'd be upset. But it's not. It's about putting together the best team in the majors. And since the Sox have a unique window of opportunity right now to go on a nice run, it's worth risking the POSSIBILITY of these guys being future stars in order to get proven talent.

 

Winning Now = More Attendance = More Money = Bigger Budget = More Free Agents Signing Here = Less Need For Minor League Projects = Winning More

= Spankee's Way of Doing Things.....we do not want to be the Spankees.

[rcpweiner]

= Spankee's Way of Doing Things.....we do not want to be the Spankees.

 

You mean we don't want to emulate the most successful baseball franchise ever? Yeah. You're right! f*** success!

[SoxFan1]

You mean we don't want to emulate the most successful baseball franchise ever?  Yeah. You're right! f*** success!

What have they done lately? When was the last time they had one of their own prospects that they groomed for years come up to the bigs? What has a $200 million dollar payroll done for them?

[whitesoxfan99]

What have they done lately?

 

11 straight postseason berths. 6 WS appearances in 11 years including 4 titles. 2003 they were in the WS, 2004 they were a couple of outs from making the WS, they won 95 games this year. 9 times in the last 11 years they have won 90 plus games. 3 times in the last 4 years they have won 100+ games.

[SoxFan1]

11 straight postseason berths. 6 WS appearances in 11 years including 4 titles.  2003 they were in the WS, 2004 they were a couple of outs from making the WS, they won 95 games this year. 9 times in the last 11 years they have won 90 plus games.  3 times in the last 4 years they have won 100+ games.

Interanally, we do not want to be the Yankees at all. They have ZERO chemistry, have a s*** minor league, and think money cures everything. And since the White Sox have more WS championships in the 21st century than the Yankees.

[rcpweiner]

What have they done lately? When was the last time they had one of their own prospects that they groomed for years come up to the bigs? What has a $200 million dollar payroll done for them?

 

Getting to the playoffs, what, the past how many years in a row? That's what they've done lately.

 

Look. Right now we're sitting pretty with a championship and all. But we're not even NEAR the Yankees class yet. We're on our way (especially with this lastest flurry of trades), but we need a few more playoffs in a row to even be considered in the top-tier of baseball teams.

[rcpweiner]

Interanally, we do not want to be the Yankees at all. They have ZERO chemistry, have a s*** minor league, and think money cures everything. And since the White Sox have more WS championships in the 21st century than the Yankees.

 

You know what breeds chemistry? Winning.

 

Would you rather have s*** chemistry and win the World Series? Or have the greatest, most likeable players and be the Pirates? Money doesn't cure everything, it just makes the odds more favorable.

[SoxFan1]

You know what breeds chemistry? Winning.

 

Would you rather have s*** chemistry and win the World Series? Or have the greatest, most likeable players and be the Pirates? Money doesn't cure everything, it just makes the odds more favorable.

If winning breeds chemistry than why aren't the Yankee's the closest team in the clubhouse? I'll tell you why. They bring in big name players and coaches expecting them to be able to coexist with their ginormous ego's. You're right, the White Sox are far from the Yankee's "class." Far higher.

[RockRaines]

your sig is a little against regs isnt it?

 

BTW, we are never going to be the yankees, KW brought in thome who is a good guy, and fits the clubhouse mold. He is keeping the backbone of the team, he is making moves to LOWER payroll in the future, not double it. We are far from being a large market team, in attitude, and financially.

[rcpweiner]

If winning breeds chemistry than why aren't the Yankee's the closest team in the clubhouse? I'll tell you why. They bring in big name players and coaches expecting them to be able to coexist with their ginormous ego's. You're right, the White Sox are far from the Yankee's "class." Far higher.

 

Honestly, have you watched baseball any other season besides this last one? All of your opinions have the White Sox as the greatest dynasty of all time, and the Yankees a bunch of nobodies.

 

As to the chemistry thing: Who cares if they're close in the clubhouse? I don't give a s*** if they stay after, play cards all night, attend the same whorehouses ... that's just good for stories. All I care about is if they win or not. Maybe I was wrong when I said "winning breeds chemistry". What's more accurate is the chemistry of winners is never questioned.

[SoxFan1]

Honestly, have you watched baseball any other season besides this last one? All of your opinions have the White Sox as the greatest dynasty of all time, and the Yankees a bunch of nobodies.

 

As to the chemistry thing: Who cares if they're close in the clubhouse? I don't give a s*** if they stay after, play cards all night, attend the same whorehouses ... that's just good for stories. All I care about is if they win or not. Maybe I was wrong when I said "winning breeds chemistry". What's more accurate is the chemistry of winners is never questioned.

Yes, 2005 is the only season of baseball I have ever watched. I am a bandwagon fan and only like the Sox because they won the World Series. Tey are the best team EVAR.

[rcpweiner]

Yes, 2005 is the only season of baseball I have ever watched. I am a bandwagon fan and only like the Sox because they won the World Series. Tey are the best team EVAR.

 

Whew. Thank God. For a moment I thought you were just retarded. Welcome aboard. Baseball is a pretty fun sport, and you chose to come along at the right time. Well done.

[Soxpranos]

This trade sucks. Kenny messed up big time.

[Kalapse]

Whew. Thank God. For a moment I thought you were just retarded. Welcome aboard. Baseball is a pretty fun sport, and you chose to come along at the right time. Well done.

I like you.

[SoxFan1]

Whew. Thank God. For a moment I thought you were just retarded. Welcome aboard. Baseball is a pretty fun sport, and you chose to come along at the right time. Well done.

:headshake How you can defend the Yankee's I don't know. Yeah, I am a big Sox homer but you are overrating the Yankmee's. Internally- they suck big ones. On the outside, while they might be winning, they still havent done s***. Good luck with Jeter/ARod/Sheff/Giambi/RJ/Etc...