Frank the Tank 35 Posted December 16, 2005 Share Posted December 16, 2005 I'm not too hot about this idea. Garland and Crede for Blalock and a "top" pitcher who, if called up midseason for an injury replacement, will get shelled just doesn't seem quite worth it. If we were getting 2003 version of Blalock, then yes this would be a great deal... but there are no assurances of this. Granted there are no assurances Garland doesn't revert, but I'd bet on Garland continuing to improve before Blalock. What happened to the inclusion of Wilkerson? I don't really care for the guy, but at least it was something. I think KW should squeeze one of Benoit, Kinsler, or Arias out of this supposed deal. They have 2 top SS prospects, so unless they're gonna move Young somewhere, they don't need both. Benoit had a great year out of the pen. I don't think he'd be included unless the top SP gets removed from the trade, but he should still be pushed for especially if the Rangers fail to sign any of the remaining FA SPs. At this point, both the Tejada trade and the floated Dodgers trade are more appealing to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SSH2005 Posted December 16, 2005 Share Posted December 16, 2005 I'm not too hot about this idea. Garland and Crede for Blalock and a "top" pitcher who, if called up midseason for an injury replacement, will get shelled just doesn't seem quite worth it. If we were getting 2003 version of Blalock, then yes this would be a great deal... but there are no assurances of this. Granted there are no assurances Garland doesn't revert, but I'd bet on Garland continuing to improve before Blalock. What happened to the inclusion of Wilkerson? I don't really care for the guy, but at least it was something. I think KW should squeeze one of Benoit, Kinsler, or Arias out of this supposed deal. They have 2 top SS prospects, so unless they're gonna move Young somewhere, they don't need both. Benoit had a great year out of the pen. I don't think he'd be included unless the top SP gets removed from the trade, but he should still be pushed for especially if the Rangers fail to sign any of the remaining FA SPs. At this point, both the Tejada trade and the floated Dodgers trade are more appealing to me. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Wilkerson will be a free agent after 2006 and is a Boras client. There would be no reason to ask for him over pitching prospects. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beck72 Posted December 16, 2005 Share Posted December 16, 2005 One thing to consider--how will Aaron leaving affect Joe? They were best buds. Esp as Joe "came out of his shell" this yr. With Blalock's value at its lowest, and Joe's at its highest, this is something I could see going down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wherehaveyougoneharold Posted December 16, 2005 Share Posted December 16, 2005 Living here in Dallas/Ft. Worth I can tell you that Blalock is INCREDIBLY streaky. His slumps and hot-streaks can last up to 2 months sometimes. The glove is solid but it aint Crede. His contract is friendly, but I would want one of their prosepcts they refer to as "DVD" - Diamond, Volquez, or Danks. Preferrably Volquez, he looks the most ready for the bigs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted December 16, 2005 Share Posted December 16, 2005 From the Fort Worth Star Telegram: The Chicago White Sox, having acquired Javier Vazquez, have extra pitching to trade and the Rangers have already placed the call, knowing they have extra outfielders. The White Sox are willing to talk about Jon Garland, who can become a free agent after next season, but right now they want too much in return. So they have been talking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SSH2005 Posted December 16, 2005 Share Posted December 16, 2005 Living here in Dallas/Ft. Worth I can tell you that Blalock is INCREDIBLY streaky. His slumps and hot-streaks can last up to 2 months sometimes. The glove is solid but it aint Crede. His contract is friendly, but I would want one of their prosepcts they refer to as "DVD" - Diamond, Volquez, or Danks. Preferrably Volquez, he looks the most ready for the bigs. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> He sounds like Crede. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SSH2005 Posted December 16, 2005 Share Posted December 16, 2005 From the Fort Worth Star Telegram: So they have been talking. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Interesting. Here's the link for those who want to read the article: http://www.dfw.com/mld/dfw/sports/baseball/13421777.htm "Knowing they have extra outfielders"? It sounds like the Rangers would want to offer us Wilkerson for Garland. Too bad we don't need or want an outfielder, especially not a Boras client on a 1-year contract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quickman Posted December 16, 2005 Share Posted December 16, 2005 QUOTE(Flash Tizzle @ Dec 16, 2005 -> 12:49 AM) If Texas isn't willing to include one of their top prospects--pitching or not, they can remain in their perpetual pitching rut. f*** them. I'm not giving up Garland unless a top tier prospect is returned. Blalock's addition in the trade doesn't bother me, since Uribe could always play 3B if no options were found to replace Crede. It's the value of Garland, and what teams such as Texas are offering, which concerns me. No way in hell should Jon Garland only give us a lower level prospect, one year rental or not. I'll repeat this--if Garcia cost us Reed(our top prospect)/Morse/Olivo, MIDSEASON, during a contract year, it's not too unreasonable to ask for one of Texas.' I can't believe Texas would trade for Garland and only use him for one year, considering the crap they have. Or ask yourself this-- If Williams were trading Blalock/prospect for Garland/Crede, who here wouldn't bet the prospect in question would be one of our best? He'd give up the top prospect and we'd tell ourselves, "have to give up something to get something." "Prospects are just that--prospects." "We HAD to overpay so other teams couldn't get him." Personally I don't think reed is that good or olivio. Only people on this board or baseball america thinks they were good. olivio is really a back up catcher and reed will be a 10hr, 280 hitter. Very light hitter, not a perenial 300 hitter. You get what you get. Garcia helped us to the world series, it was worth it. He was considered a stud despite what anyone might think. Garland has NOT proved to be a stud. He had one good year, otherwise the guy was up and down. Eitherway the guy won't be here and you will need to live with what we get. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quickman Posted December 16, 2005 Share Posted December 16, 2005 QUOTE(SSH2005 @ Dec 16, 2005 -> 08:29 AM) Interesting. Here's the link for those who want to read the article: http://www.dfw.com/mld/dfw/sports/baseball/13421777.htm "Knowing they have extra outfielders"? It sounds like the Rangers would want to offer us Wilkerson for Garland. Too bad we don't need or want an outfielder, especially not a Boras client on a 1-year contract. I will take mench, and move pods over. Done Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SSH2005 Posted December 16, 2005 Share Posted December 16, 2005 (edited) I will take mench, and move pods over. Done <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Mench is basically a younger Carl Everett. He only hits lefties; he sucks against right-handers. He's the last thing we need. Just because he always kills us doesn't mean he's good. We can do far better than Garland for Mench. Edited December 16, 2005 by SSH2005 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoodAsGould Posted December 16, 2005 Share Posted December 16, 2005 I dont care about Wilkerson but Blalock has to be a must.... and than if we give Crede a prospect would be nice too it doesnt have to be one of their 3 stud pitching ones either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SSH2005 Posted December 16, 2005 Share Posted December 16, 2005 I dont care about Wilkerson but Blalock has to be a must.... and than if we give Crede a prospect would be nice too it doesnt have to be one of their 3 stud pitching ones either. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Blalock is really the only player on the Rangers that would make any sense for our team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chisox2334 Posted December 16, 2005 Share Posted December 16, 2005 tell you truth sounds like their speculating on what we want. I take it whitesox want 3b or maybe some bullpen help, or some high prospects. I dont see why kenny go after outfield help when our system has it and anderson has job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SSH2005 Posted December 16, 2005 Share Posted December 16, 2005 tell you truth sounds like their speculating on what we want. I take it whitesox want 3b or maybe some bullpen help, or some high prospects. I dont see why kenny go after outfield help when our system has it and anderson has job. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> It would have to be Blalock and prospects because Texas doesn't have a bullpen. Brian Anderson Jerry Owens Ryan Sweeney We won't be trading Garland for an outfielder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chisox2334 Posted December 16, 2005 Share Posted December 16, 2005 I look at this look what it took get vasquez here. Now look at garland and tell me what fair deal be for him. I say 3b period and minor leaguer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chisox2334 Posted December 16, 2005 Share Posted December 16, 2005 The dodgers have alos made a call to whitesox Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SSH2005 Posted December 16, 2005 Share Posted December 16, 2005 (edited) The dodgers have alos made a call to whitesox <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Here's a link: http://www.latimes.com/sports/baseball/mlb...orts-mlb-dodger Colletti has contacted teams with a surplus of starting pitchers, including the Chicago White Sox (Jon Garland, Jose Contreras), Boston (Wells), Yankees (Carl Pavano) and New York Mets (Kris Benson). Garland, Contreras and Wells will become free agents after the season and Pavano sat out the second half last season because of a sore pitching shoulder. The Dodgers would definately have the pitching prospects that KW would be interested in (Chad Billingsley, Jonathan Broxton, Scott Elbert). Edited December 16, 2005 by SSH2005 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkman delivers Posted December 16, 2005 Share Posted December 16, 2005 QUOTE(SSH2005 @ Dec 16, 2005 -> 08:29 AM) Interesting. Here's the link for those who want to read the article: http://www.dfw.com/mld/dfw/sports/baseball/13421777.htm "Knowing they have extra outfielders"? It sounds like the Rangers would want to offer us Wilkerson for Garland. Too bad we don't need or want an outfielder, especially not a Boras client on a 1-year contract. But he'll be playing for a contract and happens to be a Boras, which means he'll have his best season ever. In the end, he'll never put up numbers as good unless he goes into FA again. It seems like that's the way things go with Boras clients. I guess the same could be said of Crede, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted December 16, 2005 Share Posted December 16, 2005 does it matter they "alos" did it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted December 16, 2005 Share Posted December 16, 2005 I still think that the Angels would be the best trading partner for Garland. SoCal, they need an innings eater, they have the money to sign him long term, and prospects to give up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SSH2005 Posted December 16, 2005 Share Posted December 16, 2005 (edited) I still think that the Angels would be the best trading partner for Garland. SoCal, they need an innings eater, they have the money to sign him long term, and prospects to give up. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> But wouldn't the Angels be better off waiting a year and just signing him? That's the question. Being a west coast team, they would have the inside track on signing Garland if he really wanted to move closer to home. I sure wouldn't mind a trade of Garland for Scot Shields and prospects though. Edited December 16, 2005 by SSH2005 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WHITESOXRANDY Posted December 16, 2005 Share Posted December 16, 2005 I'm sure that the Sox would like to have Blalock and Texas wants Garland. The Sox would make Texas take Crede but then we need atleast one of their top pitching prospects maybe 2. But, Texas needs to sign Garland long term before this deal can happen because they're not giving all of this up knowing that Garland can walk at the end of the season AND Crede's agent is BOREASS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S720 Posted December 16, 2005 Share Posted December 16, 2005 QUOTE(SSH2005 @ Dec 16, 2005 -> 09:18 AM) But wouldn't the Angels be better off waiting a year and just signing him? That's the question. Being a west coast team, they would have the inside track on signing Garland if he really wanted to move closer to home. I sure wouldn't mind a trade of Garland for Scot Shields and prospects though. If the Angels truly want Garland, it's better for them to do it now. If other teams are also asking for Garland's service, and if they do a trade with the White Sox, they might lock up Garland immediately after the trade! For example, the Dodgers. That's the risk the Angels have to take should they want to wait 'till next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreatScott82 Posted December 16, 2005 Share Posted December 16, 2005 I would take Scot Shields- he is a beast out of the bulpen. Hmmm how about him and Jeff DeVanon? He can compete with BA for the starting CF job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JimH Posted December 16, 2005 Share Posted December 16, 2005 I would take Scot Shields- he is a beast out of the bulpen. Hmmm how about him and Jeff DeVanon? He can compete with BA for the starting CF job. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Like Davanon, but they can sign him for zero now. He was released by the Angels. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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