Mark DeRosa had some not-too-happy comments about playing time in a Tribune (?) article today. He's right, too -- they have Fukodome in right, Soriano in left, A-Ram at third, Lee at first and (most likely) Roberts at second. None of those guys are part-time players.

 

Anyways... if the Cubs would sell DeRosa low (and I mean low), I think he'd be a good fit for the Sox. One thing the Sox need is some power hitter off the bench -- DeRosa isn't a real great power hitter but double-digit homers the past two years is pretty bad. The Sox could certainly find time for him (Richar at second, vs some lefties as a DH for Thome), although they'd need to get rid of Uribe first (can't have two guys on the bench making a combined total of close to $10 million).

Pie or Hill better be in the deal.

 

Neither is going to be, you should know that -- three of Murton, Cedeno, Gallagher and Marshall is what it'll (likely) be. My hope is that Baltimore gets Murton and the two starters -- that would give the Cubs no depth behind their back of the rotation.

Edited January 17, 200818 yr by CWSGuy406

Neither is going to be, you should know that -- three of Murton, Cedeno, Gallagher and Marshall is what it'll (likely) be. My hope is that Baltimore gets Murton and the two starters -- that would give the Cubs no depth behind their back of the rotation.

 

If they are relying on Marshall and Gallahger their season is in trouble anyway. I believe they will include something to get back Mora to add depth to their bench and include Pie.

If they are relying on Marshall and Gallahger their season is in trouble anyway. I believe they will include something to get back Mora to add depth to their bench and include Pie.

 

Like relying on two virtual rookies and a senior citizen for your 3rd through 5th spot in the rotation?

Like relying on two virtual rookies and a senior citizen for your 3rd through 5th spot in the rotation?

Like, say, the 2006 Detroit Tigers, with Kenny Rogers, Jeremy Bonderman, and that Justin Verlander dude? (Bonderman, btw, is only about 3 months older than Floyd).

Like, say, the 2006 Detroit Tigers, with Kenny Rogers, Jeremy Bonderman, and that Justin Verlander dude? (Bonderman, btw, is only about 3 months older than Floyd).

 

Apples and Oranges?

Apples and Oranges?

Very true. But the point remains...it's not the fact that they're young or old that matters. It's whether or not they're any good.

Neither Gallagher or Marshall are even the same pedigree as Floyd and Danks. Gallagher isnt much of a prospect. If im the Orioles, and I want to actually get something for one of my good players, im asking for at least Rich Hill most likely Marmol as one of the other ones.

I didnt even see that article dude, I see this one more recent: MLBTRADERUMORS.COM

 

Angelos Did Not Kill Roberts Trade

 

Roch Kubatko of the Baltimore Sun checks in with a few Andy MacPhail quotes. Basically, MacPhail has only brought one trade to Orioles' owner Peter Angelos, the Miguel Tejada deal. That was obviously approved; nothing else was presented. So the Brian Roberts and Erik Bedard talks remain just talks. No deal has been reached in either case.

Neither Gallagher or Marshall are even the same pedigree as Floyd and Danks. Gallagher isnt much of a prospect.

yeah, um...

 

Not the same pedigree... not much of a prospect

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Year	Team	Lg	Age	Org	Level		W	L	ERA	G	GS	CG	SH	GF	SV	IP	H	R	ER	HR	BB	SO	WP	BK	H9	HR9	BB9	K9	WHIP	GB%
2004	Az Cubs	Ariz	18	Chc	Rk		1	2	3.12	10	9	0	0	0	0	34.2	38	19	12	0	11	44	1		9.87	0.00	2.86	11.42	1.41	--
2005	Peoria	Midw	19	Chc	A		14	5	2.71	26	26	0	0		0	146.0	107	53	44	10	55	139	5	0	6.60	0.62	3.39	8.57	1.11	--
	Daytona	FSL	19	Chc	A+		0	0	1.80	1	1	0	0		0	5.0	6	1	1	1	0	7	0	0	10.80	1.80	0.00	12.60	1.20	--
2006	Daytona	FSL	20	Chc	A+		4	0	2.30	13	13	0	0	0	0	78.1	75	24	20	5	21	80	3	0	8.62	0.57	2.41	9.19	1.23	--
	W. Tenn	Sou	20	Chc	AA		7	5	2.71	15	15	0	0	0	0	86.1	74	30	26	4	55	91	9	0	7.71	0.42	5.73	9.49	1.49	--
2007	Tennessee	Sou	21	Chc	AA		7	2	3.39	11	11	0	0	0	0	61.0	54	25	23	3	24	54	3	0	7.97	0.44	3.54	7.97	1.28	--
	Iowa	PCL	21	Chc	AAA		3	1	2.66	8	8	0	0	0	0	40.2	33	12	12	1	13	37	3	0	7.30	0.22	2.88	8.19	1.13	--
Minor League Totals - 4 Season(s)							36	15	2.75	84	83	0	0		0	452.0	387	164	138	24	179	452	24		7.71	0.48	3.56	9.00	1.25	--

 

Yet surprisingly similar

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Year	Team	Lg	Age	Org	Level		W	L	ERA	G	GS	CG	SH	GF	SV	IP	H	R	ER	HR	BB	SO	WP	BK	H9	HR9	BB9	K9	WHIP	GB%
2003	Az Rangers	Ariz	18	Tex	Rk		1	0	0.69	5	3	0	0	0	0	13.0	6	3	1	0	4	22	1		4.15	0.00	2.77	15.23	0.77	--
	Spokane	Nwest	18	Tex	A-		0	2	8.53	5	5	0	0	0	0	12.2	12	12	12	0	7	13	0		8.53	0.00	4.97	9.24	1.50	--
2004	Clinton	Midw	19	Tex	A		3	2	2.17	14	8	0	0	2	0	49.2	38	17	12	4	14	64	1		6.89	0.72	2.54	11.60	1.05	--
	Stockton	Calif	19	Tex	A+		1	4	5.24	13	13	0	0	0	0	55.0	62	38	32	5	26	48	3		10.15	0.82	4.25	7.85	1.60	--
2005	Bkrsfld	Calif	20	Tex	A+		3	3	2.50	10	10	0	0		0	57.2	50	18	16	5	16	53	1	0	7.80	0.78	2.50	8.27	1.14	--
	Frisco	Tex	20	Tex	AA		4	10	5.49	18	17	0	0		0	98.1	117	66	60	12	34	85	3	0	10.71	1.10	3.11	7.78	1.54	--
2006	Frisco	Tex	21	Tex	AA		5	4	4.15	13	13	0	0	0	0	69.1	74	38	32	11	22	82	3	0	9.61	1.43	2.86	10.64	1.38	--
	Oklahoma	PCL	21	Tex	AAA		4	5	4.33	14	13	0	0	0	0	70.2	67	43	34	11	34	72	2	0	8.53	1.40	4.33	9.17	1.43	--
Minor League Totals - 4 Season(s)							21	30	4.20	92	82	0	0		0	426.1	426	235	199	48	157	439	14		9.00	1.01	3.32	9.27	1.37	--

 

Side-by-side comparison

 

 

Year	Team	Lg	Age	Org	Level		W	L	ERA	G	GS	CG	SH	GF	SV	IP	H	R	ER	HR	BB	SO	WP	BK	H9	HR9	BB9	K9	WHIP	GB%
Minor League Totals - 4 Season(s)							21	30	4.20	92	82	0	0		0	426.1	426	235	199	48	157	439	14		9.00	1.01	3.32	9.27	1.37	--
Minor League Totals - 4 Season(s)							36	15	2.75	84	83	0	0		0	452.0	387	164	138	24	179	452	24		7.71	0.48	3.56	9.00	1.25	--

sonned

Would people quit going to that damn rumor blog ran by a scrubs fan already?

yeah, um...

Great work on the graphic. Of course I said nothing about stats, I said same pedigree, meaning they were never as highly thought of, nor expected to be as good. Danks and Floyd were both top picks and top prospects, including inside the top 50. Gallagher and Marshall are not quite the same pedigree.

Would people quit going to that damn rumor blog ran by a scrubs fan already?

Its actually pretty good and he has many outside sports writers contributing stories and also information.

Great work on the graphic. Of course I said nothing about stats, I said same pedigree, meaning they were never as highly thought of, nor expected to be as good. Danks and Floyd were both top picks and top prospects, including inside the top 50. Gallagher and Marshall are not quite the same pedigree.

 

Carlos Quentin was also a better "prospect" than Markakis, Young, Jenks, Tulowitski, Hanley, Maybin, and Braun in 2006, regardless of what level they were on. You don't just trade prospects that are that good for DH's in low-A.

 

If Gallagher and Marshall were better than Danks and Floyd, I would not be surprised in the least, especially from what I've seen. Them being top picks/prospects means virtually nothing. Brian Anderson was the 37th best prospect according to BA in 2005 and was a 1st round draft pick; that just so happens to be the year he was ranked 2 spots below Gavin Floyd. If Floyd has value, Anderson has value, no?

 

 

Carlos Quentin was also a better "prospect" than Markakis, Young, Jenks, Tulowitski, Hanley, Maybin, and Braun in 2006, regardless of what level they were on. You don't just trade prospects that are that good for DH's in low-A.

 

If Gallagher and Marshall were better than Danks and Floyd, I would not be surprised in the least, especially from what I've seen. Them being top picks/prospects means virtually nothing. Brian Anderson was the 37th best prospect according to BA in 2005 and was a 1st round draft pick; that just so happens to be the year he was ranked 2 spots below Gavin Floyd. If Floyd has value, Anderson has value, no?

Especially from what you've seen? You've actually seen Gallagher pitch? Marshall wouldnt be a 5th starter on most AL teams, he really isnt much, but it still doesnt change the fact that I do not believe their ceilings are as high as our two. If you offered Danks and Floyd to for Roberts, do you think they would take it? Whereas Marshall and Gallagher cant sniff Roberts. That should tell you what value each pitcher has.

Edited January 18, 200818 yr by RockRaines

Ugh, according to Phil Rogers the talks are back on. I wish they would give up on the thought that the cubs are going to get Bedard and Roberts, they dont have close to the amount of players to get them. I love how the cubs fans keep saying the cubs are "willing to give up Murton and maybe Pie now." Come on, Murton has barely any value and Pie is worth more to the cubs than other teams.

 

Quick edit, apparently Rogers actually had the balls to say that it could be a three team deal where the cubs net Byrd, Bedard and Roberts. He mustve been extremely bored today.

Edited January 22, 200818 yr by RockRaines

Mark DeRosa had some not-too-happy comments about playing time in a Tribune (?) article today. He's right, too -- they have Fukodome in right, Soriano in left, A-Ram at third, Lee at first and (most likely) Roberts at second. None of those guys are part-time players.

 

Anyways... if the Cubs would sell DeRosa low (and I mean low), I think he'd be a good fit for the Sox. One thing the Sox need is some power hitter off the bench -- DeRosa isn't a real great power hitter but double-digit homers the past two years is pretty bad. The Sox could certainly find time for him (Richar at second, vs some lefties as a DH for Thome), although they'd need to get rid of Uribe first (can't have two guys on the bench making a combined total of close to $10 million).

 

The Sox need a power hitter on the bench? As of today two of Uribe, Crede, and Fields will be on the bench.

The Sox need a power hitter on the bench? As of today two of Uribe, Crede, and Fields will be on the bench.

Neither Crede or Fields will be bench players. Crede will either be starting or gone and Fields will either be starting or in aaa(better be starting).

Neither Crede or Fields will be bench players. Crede will either be starting or gone and Fields will either be starting or in aaa(better be starting).

 

I'm not ready to give Carlos Quentin the starting LF spot. Fields and Crede can both start.

I'm not ready to give Carlos Quentin the starting LF spot. Fields and Crede can both start.

The team has said firmly that Josh Fields will not be playing LF this season. Anyway, if the team wanted him to do so, he really needed to spend some offseason and winterball time out there, which he hasn't done...so it probably is too late to think of that any more. Either Crede is traded or Josh starts the season in AAA it appears.

I'm not ready to give Carlos Quentin the starting LF spot. Fields and Crede can both start.

Quentin will be starting, my friend.

I really think the Sox are putting a package together for Bedard and/or Roberts. If Jenks is part of the deal every other player could be fodder BUT VERY USEFUL TO THE ORIOLES (Uribe, Anderson, Massett, Aardesma).

God I hope KW isnt planning to deal Jenks. A closer like Jenks doesnt come along every day, and I dont know if we can count on Dotel

 

Plus, I want to see the back end of this bullpen as it is constructed right now, because it looks damn good

Jenks would obviously be of interest to the O's, but the other four names you mentioned have no value to them. Baltimore will be looking for young players with upside. Uribe probably was the worst major league regular in baseball last season, Anderson has crushed his value, Masset is a dime a dozen pitcher, and Aardsma was just DFA'd. They have no value. If they did, I can assure you both Anderson and Uribe would have already been dealt.

 

Vizquel was worse than Uribe last year, and San Francisco was so happy he played like complete horses***, they decided it would be cool to have him back while giving him a raise.

 

Yeah, makes no sense to me either.