We won't have to wait too long to find out...in the next couple of weeks.

 

But you'd have to guess at least 10-15 other teams would at least have preliminary interest in Cabrera. That's where Ozzie and Cooper might give us the advantage, theoretically, in recruiting.

 

I'll put it this way....I would rather find 3-4 Daniel Cabreras and sign them for $3-5 milllion each per season than bring in ONE Jake Peavy to USCF and the AL. The odds are very good that not putting all the eggs in one basket (like buying stocks) will end up bearing fruit if Don Cooper has anything to say about it.

 

We can have a bet, Willy Taveras will be a member of the White Sox organization before December 31st. LOL.

I'd take the ace.

Daniel Cabrera will be a member of the White Sox organization before Christmas.

 

Which is just fine by me, because he seems to be the same pitcher as Edwin Jackson, just without the publicity of a playoff birth.

Which is just fine by me, because he seems to be the same pitcher as Edwin Jackson, just without the publicity of a playoff birth.

 

Any team that signs Cabrera better do a physical before it's announced, as there's a decent chance he's going to need major surgery.

Daniel Cabrera at USCF would make people look back at Danny Wright fondly. Sorry, Coop can't fix him. Sort of like MacDougal,Sisco, Aardsma.

Yeah, isn't Cabrera really tall? Haven't we learned our lesson with tall, wild pitchers?

 

Yeah, isn't Cabrera really tall? Haven't we learned our lesson with tall, wild pitchers?

Leo Mazzone couldn't do anything with him. Some guys are what they are. He's just never going to be consistant, except perhaps consitantly bad.

Edited December 4, 200817 yr by Dick Allen

Yeah, isn't Cabrera really tall? Haven't we learned our lesson with tall, wild pitchers?

 

 

Jon Rauch?

 

Well, it would be funny/ironic if they somehow signed Randy Johnson. Or Eric Hillman. Hendrickson.

Edited December 4, 200817 yr by caulfield12

F*** Daniel Cabrera.

Here's what i can see happening. I think Broadway gets dealt for Tavares. I wouldn't be surprised if that hasn't already been agreed on. I think Dye gets moved to the Reds. If money is the issue in this trade maybe we send Dye,either BA or Owens,and maybe Lillibridge to the Reds for Bailey and either Arroyo or Harang.That would even the money out a little bit. Then the Sox sign Dunn in free agency. That would give us a team looking like:

SP-Buehrle, Floyd,Danks, Harang, and Bailey/Poreda/Marquez/Richard

bullpen:Thornton,Linebrink,loser of the 5th spot,Russel,Dotel, Jenks

Lineup:

CF-Tavares

2b-Getz

RF-Quentin

LF-Dunn

DH-Thome

1B-Konerko

SS-Alexei

C-AJ

3B-Fields

 

bench players: Betemit, Nix,backup C, Owens/BA, Wise

yuck, i hope that wont be our team, mediocore at best

 

Leo Mazzone couldn't do anything with him. Some guys are what they are. He's just never going to be consistant, except perhaps consitantly bad.

Mazzone didn't exactly have the greatest record in Baltimore either though FWIW.

Mazzone didn't exactly have the greatest record in Baltimore either though FWIW.

He's "fixed" as many pitchers, if not more in his career than Cooper. Cooper won't be able to fix this guy. FWIW, there isn't a person dead or alive that would have been able to do anything with the personnel Mazzone was given in Baltimore.

Cabrera's OK for a #5 starter as is. At least a decent insurance policy.

Edited December 4, 200817 yr by Hatchetman

I’m noticing that some of the people who are vigorously against the Bailey Trade seem fond of getting Daniel “I’m older, have no control , and everyone whose tried to fix me has failed” Cabrera. I’m finding that slightly disconcerting.

Edited December 4, 200817 yr by Thunderbolt

I’m noticing that some of the people who are vigorously against the Bailey Trade seem fond of getting Daniel “I’m older, have no control , and everyone’s whose tried to fix me has failed” Cabrera. I’m finding that slightly disconcerting.

 

because Bailey will cost Jermaine Dye, whereas Daniel Cabrera will come free. It's basic economics

I’m noticing that some of the people who are vigorously against the Bailey Trade seem fond of getting Daniel “I’m older, have no control , and everyone’s whose tried to fix me has failed” Cabrera. I’m finding that slightly disconcerting.

 

Jermaine Dye stays here in the Cabrera situation. As a numebr 5 he is fine. You kind of know what Cabrera will give you and there is a track record be that as it may but it is still there. Bailey costs one of the most productive outfielders in baseball and could be in AAA to start the season.

Trade completed

 

Javier Vazquez's tenure with the White Sox has come to an end. The six-player trade that will send the pitcher to the Braves was finalized Thursday morning after those involved passed their physicals.

 

The Braves are expected to introduce their new pitcher to the local media in a press conference at Turner Field at 10 a.m. CT.

He's "fixed" as many pitchers, if not more in his career than Cooper. Cooper won't be able to fix this guy. FWIW, there isn't a person dead or alive that would have been able to do anything with the personnel Mazzone was given in Baltimore.

 

Dont you think some of what made Mazzone seem so good is the calibur of pitchers he was able to work with, for the majority of his time in Atlanta he had Glavine, Maddux, and Smoltz and those 3 make any pitching coach look good. Not to mention they are pitching in a great pitchers park, I mean honestly nobody really flourished in Baltimore under him. Also, sometimes a guy just needs a different way of learning things and it clicks, regardless if Coop is a better pitching coach or not.

Trade completed

 

Javier Vazquez's tenure with the White Sox has come to an end. The six-player trade that will send the pitcher to the Braves was finalized Thursday morning after those involved passed their physicals.

 

The Braves are expected to introduce their new pitcher to the local media in a press conference at Turner Field at 10 a.m. CT.

HOORAY!! I needn't scratch the sig!

Thread title should be changed. Remove the word "likely".

I would like to point out Erik Bedard and Jeremy Guthrie as pitchers Mazzone turned into good pitchers for Baltimore.

 

That is all.

I would like to point out Erik Bedard and Jeremy Guthrie as pitchers Mazzone turned into good pitchers for Baltimore.

 

That is all.

I would like to point out Bedard as a good buy low candidate.

 

That is all.

Edited December 4, 200817 yr by Steve9347

I would like to point out Bedard as a good buy low candidate.

 

That is all.

 

His extreme lack of testicular fortitude would not work well with Ozzie and the rest of the staff.

Before people start sticking a fork in Lillibridge because of his one bad season...

 

Take a look at the comparison of his 2007 and 2008 AAA stats.

 

GM A-B R Hits 2B 3B HR RBI BB SO BA OBP SLG OPS SB CS SB%

87 321 47 92 14 2 10 41 20 59 .287 .331 .436 .767 28 5 85%

90 355 46 78 18 7 04 39 33 90 .220 .294 .344 .638 23 7 77%

 

Surprising similar seasons... Roughly the same number of games, at bats, etc...

 

What's the biggest difference that drives most of the numbers?

 

14 less hits in 2008...

And 6 less homeruns....

 

Those two figures account for almost all the difference in his average, OBP, and SLG.

 

That's the problem with using averages from small samples.

 

It's pretty easy to envision a guy who is getting shuttled between AAA and the majors pressing and having his timing thrown off to result in getting 14 less hits over 355 at-bats... isn't it?

 

So, I'm inclined to think 2008 may just turn out to be an off-year for him. In 2007, he was considered a better prospect than Escobar. Could turn out to be a classic KW value pickup.

 

Edited December 4, 200817 yr by scenario

HOORAY!! I needn't scratch the sig!

I miss the Arrested Development chicken scene....

I'm not terribly fond of picking up Daniel Cabrera, I just accept it as an inevitability.