December 6, 200817 yr Well, I'll get the easy one out of the way and say the Chicago Cubs. No evidence required, everyone knows why.
December 8, 200817 yr Baseball - Pittsburgh Pirates. Ice Hockey - Florida Panthers Football - Detroit Lions Basketball - Minnesota Timberwolves
December 8, 200817 yr QUOTE (DBAHO @ Dec 8, 2008 -> 11:11 AM) Baseball - Pittsburgh Pirates. Ice Hockey - Florida Panthers Football - Detroit Lions Basketball - Minnesota Timberwolves I'm taking the Clippers or Warriors in the NBA, Baseball is a toss up, Cubs, Mariners, Astros, Football is the Lions for me. Hockey I really have no idea.
December 8, 200817 yr QUOTE (DBAHO @ Dec 8, 2008 -> 11:11 AM) Baseball - Pittsburgh Pirates Ice Hockey - Florida Panthers Football - Detroit Lions Basketball - Minnesota Timberwolves This is from WWII not the first gulf war. Other than the Lions those other franchises have had some level of success, some to a significant degree. s*** the Pirates have won as many playoff series as the cubs since 1989 and fought hard with the Big Red Machine in the 70's and had mermorable players and championships throughout.
December 8, 200817 yr I'll have to think of it further, but I would not count on field success as much as some of the intangibles. For example Al Davis and the current Raiders franchise. It is a disgrace the way they act. The Cubs have put a decent product on the field with some very class athletes. I'd call the Pistons a terrible franchise back in the 80s and early 90s even though they won a few championships.
December 8, 200817 yr Baseball: Cubs and Indians Football: Cardinals, Lions and Saints Basketball: Clippers Hockey: Kings (except for the Gretzky era...a whole lotta nuthin')
December 8, 200817 yr I have to go with the Clippers and the Expos. The Clippers are just legendary in their silly decisions. The Expos meanwhile, were so badly run that they no longer exist.
December 8, 200817 yr QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Dec 8, 2008 -> 01:43 PM) I have to go with the Clippers and the Expos. The Clippers are just legendary in their silly decisions. The Expos meanwhile, were so badly run that they no longer exist. The Expos were great in the 90's and they do exist- just in another city with another name.
December 8, 200817 yr I'm trying to put all bias aside, and I'm still coming up with the Cubs. I don't think any team is even close.
December 8, 200817 yr Author QUOTE (Milkman delivers @ Dec 8, 2008 -> 06:12 PM) I'm trying to put all bias aside, and I'm still coming up with the Cubs. I don't think any team is even close. They win in the regular season, they spend money, they have fans. Do the Clippers or Lions have any of those things?
December 8, 200817 yr QUOTE (knightni @ Dec 8, 2008 -> 05:20 PM) They win in the regular season, they spend money, they have fans. Do the Clippers or Lions have any of those things? I'm pretty sure the Lions have a pretty decent fan base, The clippers on the other hand...
December 9, 200817 yr Yeah, Lions fans would come to the games if their team wasn't so pathetic. They want to like football, but the team won't meet them halfway.
December 9, 200817 yr QUOTE (lostfan @ Dec 8, 2008 -> 08:58 PM) Yeah, Lions fans would come to the games if their team wasn't so pathetic. They want to like football, but the team won't meet them halfway. I give them a lot of s*** in life, but Detroit fans really are pretty good. I mean, look at what theyve ahd to put up with, especially lately: The early 2000s Tigers, of course the Lions, the economy.... They are really good fans if the team is somewhat respectable, the Red Wings of course have been great, and they lvoe them to death. The Pistons are an NBA team followed very closely by many there, which to me is rare. When the Tigers showed life, especially in 2006, the fans just flocked to the stadium. Hell, Ford Field had still been getting pretty good attendance before this year (atleast thats what I remember, I dont know the actual numbers). They are active fans to, if anybody remembers they planned many protests like dressing in orange and black at Ford Field when the Bengals came to play once, to prove that they wouldnt cheer for the Lions until they started winning again or got rid of Millen.
December 9, 200817 yr QUOTE (LosMediasBlancas @ Dec 9, 2008 -> 12:26 AM) What is the Cubs all time winning % ? According to baseballreference dating back to 1876 the Cubs winning percentage is .514 which is actually higher than the Sox. I'm not motivated enough to look into what their record would be if you only took into account the modern era of baseball.
December 9, 200817 yr Post 1990 Cincinnati Bengals have been so awful its humorous. One playoff appearance, and they lost their starting QB on their opening drive in that game too Akili Smith, Ki-Jana carter, Peter Warrick... Hilarious.
December 9, 200817 yr QUOTE (DBAHO @ Dec 8, 2008 -> 09:11 AM) Baseball - Pittsburgh Pirates. Ice Hockey - Florida Panthers Football - Detroit Lions Basketball - Minnesota Timberwolves Andrew, the Twolves had one of the greatest players to ever play the game for an extended period of time (Garnett). The Pirates actually have been a historically strong team, who collapsed in the 90's. The Lions haven't exactly dominated recently but for the most part the Cardinals would have them well topped. In the NBA you can't even consider anyone other than the Clippers.
December 9, 200817 yr QUOTE (whitesoxbrian @ Dec 8, 2008 -> 01:30 PM) The Expos were great in the 90's and they do exist- just in another city with another name. Great, I don't think so. They had some talent but I wouldn't exactly say they were a great team.
December 9, 200817 yr QUOTE (whitesoxbrian @ Dec 8, 2008 -> 01:30 PM) The Expos were great in the 90's and they do exist- just in another city with another name. The remarkable thing about those Expos teams was that they brought forth at the same time a ton of the talent that would just dominate the league for the next decade (Pedro Martinez, Randy Johnson, then throw in guys like Marquis Grissom, Larry Walker, Cliff Floyd, Jeff Fassero) but they basically didn't even get a division title out of them by selling off all their guys & throwing in a strike. At least when the Marlins did a fire sale, they got back some solid pieces.
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